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Shoot Em Up + 3:10 to Yuma
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If you didn't save the file you shrunk. Try running it(shrunk one) thru FixVTS, it couldn't hurt and I don't know if it's possible. But it might clean up anything that needs to go. Be sure to make a back up copy of your already transcoded file first.
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9. February 2008 @ 17:21 |
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I really don't feel like reading this whole dayum thread after seeing the nonsense posted in the first three pages.
This isn't about SHOOT 'EM UP having some sort of superior protection, it's about what Bill Gates is doing to your computing choices.
I tried unsucessfully to copy Shoot 'Em Up in Xp Home, Xp Media Center Edition 2005, Xp Professional (Retail), Xp Corporate Professional, Vista Ultimate, Vista Home Premium, Vista Home Basic, and NONE of them will allow DVDFab, DVD Decrypter, RipIt4Me, or DVD X Copy to run with this DVD in.
(I have LOTS of computers because I do tech support on the web, and need all these OSes functional.)
As soon as I dragged out the old W2k box, plugged it into my Sony G400's second port, slapped the dayum DVD into the CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive, and fired up DVDFab Decrypter 4.0.5.5 I ran off a rip without a hitch.
This is about the surrender of control to Microsoft and what I have been telling people for 7 years - that moving from a server OS with full control to some P.o.S. user OS designed with DRM in mind from the git-go is acquiescing to corporate America's demands for protection against filtching of software. W2k doesn't hear that DRM crap on this Shoot 'Em Up video disc, XP does, it's as simple as that.
I used to use an NEC VHS recorder to duplicate video tape from a Mitsubishi for the same reason, NEC would ignore those tape protection schemes and allow me to copy right past those wavy lines or B&W protection schemes from Macrovision. When I tried to copy using the Mitsubishi as the reader, all the copy protection came through and the VHS was distorted.
Btw, the rip of Shoot em up is 3.52 GB and contains 8 files for the main movie.
VTS_01_1.VOB is repeated 3 times, Xp can't handle that. The second & third copies of this redundant file are intended to set up the old cyclic redundancy error but inadvertantly set off something entirely different, a shut down of every ripper in use with XP.
If I try to copy or even play the second copy of the file, I get the Black screen of death and an immediate reboot - EXCEPT IN W2k, which just ignores it. Ditto with copy #3.
In addition there is a kill switch inside VTS_01_4.VOB, if you attempt to copy it. It will copy fully, but causes the reboot as well. Last item in this disc, the VTS_09_0.IFO is duplicated as well - once as a 6 KB file and once as a .99 GB file with identical names. This is accomplished in Unix, which allows duplicate name conventions, and windows is completely baffled by it. LMAO
There really isn't a full9 GB IFO file here, it's a trick to fool the rippers.
The future of DVDFab is going to be in recognising the appeal paying bribes to M$ has for content providers who really want to protect their stuff. If M$ doesn't get paid, they can go to hell, if they bribe M$, they get the passcodes to making the OS work for them.
Nothing is perfect but M$ can't go back and rewrite W2k now, they CAN install some "updates" that really have nothing to do with "security" really - except the security of their bribe paying customers when they install DRM patches on YOUR W2k to make it act more like Xpeepee & Vista, (which we've taken to calling "F**Kya" around here).
DVDFab had better get wise and start dealing with the source instead of the lame implimentations venders of "protection" schemes are fooling their customers with. Rippers exist and continue to function for a reason, so M$ can continue to extract money from their corporate clints who are WILLING to pay for protection. The RIAA & MPAA will figure this out sooner or later and THEN it's "good luck baby" to all of those who like building a video/audio library on the schnide.
Of course, all of this may be my little paranoid delusion, you are free to decide for yourselves. I don't write a lick of code but many of my friends do and they are extremely interested when I describe the 6 security implimentations that went into the SP2 release for Xpeepee that I - that's right "I" - suggested to M$ during a 2 hour call from one of their people in Security. I have stumped M$ 3 times in 6 years with the things I can break in an OS, and they wanted to know how I manage to do some of it. I told them a few in exchange for a lifetime key to Office, (every Office they ever make FOREVER - they send me a free copy every time they issue a new version)), a copy of every new Windows Server version - WITH a permanent KEY, (just got my free copy of Windows Server 2008), and a permanently registered copy of W2k that needs no KEY and has no limit on the number of installations I can use it on.
I figured it was a pretty sweet deal and M$ understood they couldn't stop me from "appropriating" their OSes anyway so they lost nothing in the trade and gained an insight into 6 security holes they managed to plug.
Then again, I may just be some fool shooting off his mouth and making grandiose claims with no backing at all......You decide.
It's easy enough to check out though...those of you who managed to rip Shoot 'Em Up are on W2k I'll bet, and those having trouble with it are using Xpeepee, or my name ain't Anonymouse.
LMAO
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10. February 2008 @ 06:06 |
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Very few people here use W2K anymore, i myself used to until it corrupted on me a few times across different machines; i digress, you gave the answer to doing this movie in half the 3rd paragraph there; also part of the solution to problems like this can be the optical drive that scupper the copying; i suspect your drive in the W2k box was better at reading the disc ie better at reading thru the encryption Crud..
I have quite a few machines, all XP Pro and Linux, though i don't use Linux for dvd work; (we have a young lady here who does though - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/625584/3786073 ; i'm too lazy to do DVD work in Linux, too much like bringing my work home).
there's only 2 movies out there i've ever had problems with, can't remember what the first one was but the second was Pirates of the Caribbean World's End. I posted my findings to Fengtao (ie one of the DVDFab authors) along with another person who was having the exact same issues over at cdfreaks; fengtao put out a fix in one of the beta versions and all was well again.
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10. February 2008 @ 09:54 |
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I'm using a 4 year old XP updated, and have no trouble backing up ANY movie I've selected. Something's wrong with your XP machines. I use AnyDVD and DVD Fab and when updated, they get the job done. Seems like you have many corrupted pcs using XP or bad DVD drives! You might sit down with the best one and get it working like the rest of the majority of the XP machines used by AD users. Shoot 'em up was a piece of cake. Get your house in order, before you tell us we can't do a movie with XP; just because you can't. Sheesh!
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10. February 2008 @ 10:58 |
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@garmoon
It all depends which updates you have installed.. there was a serious drm update a while ago that broke lots of other things, so a patch was released which repaired the crash and security issues while leaving the DRM in place and active.
As the problem with the update was widely publicised a lot of people avoided that specific update and therefore missed the drm switch on.
XP sp2 can be hacked about to restore it's functionality.. but the best way is to do a completely clean install and bamboozle the auto updates by modifying it's call home function.. combined with changing the permissions on a lot of system files this leads to a far more secure os with much less chance of malware or updates even getting a look in. It can also be used to stop certain "hidden" switches embedded in various media activating the dll's that seem to have no other functions. Have you seen those in action? I have, and it explains why no 2 xp systems ever behave in quite the same way. If you dig deep enough you find that certain dll's have the same name between different releases of xp, but are different sizes and are NOT compatible with each other.. and applications written for the earlier version will not work with the later one, If you try to replace the new version with the older one strange things start to happen.. slightly worrying to say the least seeing as most of these files functions are not publicly documented.
What's the difference between sp1 and sp2? Full sockets functionality.. that's what... That kind of toolset should never have been put in the hands of the script kiddies and typical M$ user base
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10. February 2008 @ 11:16 |
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Yeah, I do have auto updates turned off. And it greatly pi$$es off NortonIS. I do let M$ tell me when I need one tho. How do you know which updates to accept?? There should be a thread here for us idiots that tells us which updates to NOT install. Is there one here or somewhere else?
@anonymouz
Maybe I was a little too hard on you, but I don't see a lot of posts that are having trouble with OS, I do see a lot "I can't copy" X. Maybe the reason lies in Varnull's post for "I can't copy X".
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10. February 2008 @ 11:23 |
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..hence why i've never, ever let Windows Updates near any of my systems. Oh hang on there was once, but only because i had forgotten to turn off updates after install; needless to say that system played up a treat after that; wiped and reinstalled and magically the problems disappeared. My version of XP is SP2, a slipstreamed version, which may be many years out of date, but it works better than any of our work machines which auto update all the time and work like crap
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10. February 2008 @ 13:40 |
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I think my brain just sizzled.
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10. February 2008 @ 13:45 |
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So now I will not even let M$ phone home from my pc. Norton will infarct.
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10. February 2008 @ 20:17 |
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12. February 2008 @ 22:28 |
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I do not know what 'annoymouse' is talking about. after having several issues (mostly lack of knowledge, turn autorun 'OFF' etc) I did backup shoot'em up, have not tried 3:10 to yuma yet.
Using Vista, had no probs....
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12. February 2008 @ 22:41 |
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YET.. as soon as your vista phones home you will get a forced drm update.
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13. February 2008 @ 03:41 |
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Linux for those who don't want Windows. Most good software written for Windows. That said, I'm not getting into the politics of power in the PC world. I've not gone to Vista yet, but I've been using XP shortly after it was released. I let MS get a few bugs out and then went with SP2. I've not had an OS problem yet, knock on wood. Since I was updating the system with all the priority updates, I turned that over to the system itself. MS will hound you until you update anyway. LOL However, I don't let Windows have control of internet security. I use another program for that. It even tells me when Windows did an update and asks if I want to allow it. I wouldn't feel as comfortable with Windows without the internet security program. The way it is, the OS has been running flawlessly for a long time now. I can do what I want and Big Brother hasn't come for me yet. I suspect there's worse culprits to be caught before "they" waste their time on me. ;)
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28. February 2008 @ 00:59 |
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Any new DVD which I've had problems with I've dealt with in this method:
1. Run newest version (6.3.1.5) AnyDVD in background.
2. Open DVD Shrink.
a) Hit Analysis button to do deep analysis.
b) Hit Backup button (with your preferred audio/compression settings if you want to change any).
3. Burn with your choice of software (I use Copy2DVD).
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Anonymouz
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8. March 2008 @ 04:02 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
@Varnull
Yeah, I do have auto updates turned off. And it greatly pi$$es off NortonIS. I do let M$ tell me when I need one tho. How do you know which updates to accept?? There should be a thread here for us idiots that tells us which updates to NOT install. Is there one here or somewhere else?
@anonymouz
Maybe I was a little too hard on you, but I don't see a lot of posts that are having trouble with OS, I do see a lot "I can't copy" X. Maybe the reason lies in Varnull's post for "I can't copy X".
I don't take it personal garmoon, but you should assume good faith first. I KNOW why my XPeepee & above machines are doing what they do, and the DRM update is the cause of it. Unfortunately the Xpeepee machines have definate real world purposes for running as they do or I would have a more controlled version running - well actually I do, it's called Windows 2000 Professional-SP2 with a Blaster worm patch. LMFAO
Trust me, I am the last one to blame anything on Redmond unless there is good reason to, in this case, DRM is good reason to.
I don't know if y'all know about DW15.exe & DW20.exe or not, but you can delete those "error reporting" P.o.S. as well, they are nothing more than Desaware hooks to tell Microsoft where you been hanging out.
I remove them as soon as they are installed on almost every piece of M$ software.
How do I know this? I was a beta tester for Desaware when they first trotted it out. Pretty scary stuff back then, and still is as it masquerades as harmless BHO sort of stuff. Spybot S&D doesn't think it's harmful and doesn't even detect it. Zonealarm either, it believes it is a legitimate part of you browser.
Did you know Desaware can collect all of the sites you visit, store them quietly on your computer and burst them to microsoft as soon as you go for a security patch? As I understand it, all it does is help target ads for vendors which M$ sells data for and gets it by collecting this stuff from DW15.exe/DW20.exe. M$ isn't the only company using it either. Desaware brags about their software's ability to hide in the background and avoid detection while hooking to all the info about your browsing before your own OS sees it.
Me? I could care less, let em spy away, buti do find it interesting and the only reason I get pissed is because of the occassional glitch like this 3:10 business.
M$ has long been trying to monopolise the market with their MPG4 and audio codec proprietary crap, now people are starting to wake up and realize their survival depends on EVERYONE actively combating M$'s attempts at gaining control of content and imposing a tax on the industry for adding zilch in value.
In any event, I didn't come here to debate the value of Xpeepee, I just thought I'd mention WHY it's a problem in case anyone else has it, and offer a ready solution - W2k Pro.
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8. March 2008 @ 11:41 |
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I've not been having any problems with XP and I've copied my 3:10 to Yuma and other difficult releases. To date I've not encountered a DVD that couldn't be copied, one way or another. So, I doubt XP being much of a problem as far as doing video backups. I've done nothing special to my OS and update automatically. I gave up trying to fend off MS on updates.
I've not updated to Vista and have only worked with it on a couple of machines. So, I can't comment on the last MS release. I don't see Windows 2K as being much of a solution to anything, anymore than 98. W2K was an interim OS that more or less bridged the gap between 98 and XP. It was a short lived OS compared to 98 and XP. A few people held on to W2K, but most moved on to XP and didn't look back. All the MS OSs have had their problems. XP appears to have been the best of the group so far. Vista is too new to comment on. Hopefully they won't end up putting in all the copyright protection first envisioned or Vista will be a nightmare.
Currently there's XP programs that don't work well in Vista. The same situation happened between XP and programs intended for earlier OSs. Windows has a built in compatibility mode that a lot of people seem to have forgotten or didn't know about.
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Anonymouz
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8. March 2008 @ 13:11 |
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Originally posted by PacMan777:
I've not been having any problems with XP and I've copied my 3:10 to Yuma and other difficult releases. To date I've not encountered a DVD that couldn't be copied, one way or another. So, I doubt XP being much of a problem as far as doing video backups. I've done nothing special to my OS and update automatically. I gave up trying to fend off MS on updates.
I've not updated to Vista and have only worked with it on a couple of machines. So, I can't comment on the last MS release. I don't see Windows 2K as being much of a solution to anything, anymore than 98. W2K was an interim OS that more or less bridged the gap between 98 and XP. It was a short lived OS compared to 98 and XP. A few people held on to W2K, but most moved on to XP and didn't look back. All the MS OSs have had their problems. XP appears to have been the best of the group so far. Vista is too new to comment on. Hopefully they won't end up putting in all the copyright protection first envisioned or Vista will be a nightmare.
Currently there's XP programs that don't work well in Vista. The same situation happened between XP and programs intended for earlier OSs. Windows has a built in compatibility mode that a lot of people seem to have forgotten or didn't know about.
I never even owned a computer until late in 2001, so Xpeepee and W2k were coincidental to my learning curve. I had the good fortune to be able to tear both OSes apart during the course of learning about computers and how to run then. How many people have you encountered who have bothered to remove every single one of the i386 files in both OSes - one at a time - to see what happens? I did, and found out I can operate a pretty functional W2k with slightly less than 28% of all the i386 files included in W2k. 72% garbage is how I think of Microsoft's Windows 2000 Professional platform. Xpeepee was a LOT worse, I couldn't get under 32% and there is a lot more to start with as well.
The one thing I can truly say about W2k is, I can control it all. The same cannot be said for Xpeepee - and even to some extent W2k-SP4 - now.
After SP2 was issued I had many a debate over the fact I no longer considered Xpeepee to BE a clone of W2k with some eyecandy, and few people believed me then. Any time you change 40% of a software core, you have a hard row to hoe making the argument it's the same program, let alone nearly the same as the previous OS. It looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, why it MUST BE an NT OS.
News flash, it ain't, and hasn't been since they issued SP2, and all the myriad "post-SP3 updates" of W2k, (some 178+ at last count on my SP4+ machine here, of which 70 or more are post SP3), all serve to bring W2k into line with how Xpeepee-SP2 acts and what they hope Vista will do for them as far as the DRM end of it. I hardly recognise my beloved W2k-SP2 anymore.
Had they not made programs that simply will not run on W2k, I would probably NEVER use Xpeepee, but they did, and I do like my All-In-Wonder X1900 so..............I reluctantly move into the future ever so slowly. I can truly sympathize with those old grouches I used to hear say, "I'm fine with my Win'95 and I'm never upgrading" - I truly can. And "trusted computing" is just one reason why I still confine my personal and secure document work to an off-line computer running W2k-SP2 only.
For those who didn't have trouble with 3:10 or some other DVD, more power to ya, you got lucky - this time. Perhaps the next install won't be so good to you, or maybe it will. It's sorta "luck of the draw" at times, with Microsoft, as I'm sure anyone who's installed the same OS more than a few hundred times will have noticed. Each install has it's own unique and different "quirky personality" from the last one & no two are ever exactly the same.
In any event, I remain unbeaten by any copy protection scheme to date and hopefully the wonderful community surrounding places like this will continue to fight the good fight for freedom of information.
Thank You for that, and good luck to all. i4ce. (iForce) a foot soldier in the battle for control of our liberties. Visit *removed* to meet more of us. (Off-line today for some reason, Pappy prolly forgot to pay the light bill again.LMAO)
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Interesting reading, but there's zero problems with XP, for those using DVDFab (and the same re AnyDVD i believe, though i don't use it, only going by what i read)
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For those who didn't have trouble with 3:10 or some other DVD, more power to ya, you got lucky - this time. Perhaps the next install won't be so good to you, or maybe it will. It's sorta "luck of the draw" at times,
I'll have to agree 100% with creaky. The only movies I haven't been able to back up are scratched and abused DVDs that two different drives can't read. I have done every new movie (including Saw4, 3:10, etc) the first night I got them, at least for the last 2 years, and probably longer using AnyDVD or DVDFab and another combo to the shrink and burn. All with XP-sp2 on a 3 1/2 yr old machine. I didn't get lucky, I was taught how to do these movies right here at AD 3 years ago and I'm still learning new tricks. Hollywood has all but thrown in the towel. I actually miss the challenge.
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11. March 2008 @ 02:58 |
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I use anydvd, dvd shrink and burn with imgburn, movie only(heck thats why I bought the dvd in the first place).The whole computer has been updated with windows update,XP sp2, and I haven't had any problems backing up anything.My wife has a new laptop,Vista home premium,and it has been fully updated. I use the same setup and no problems.I will back up the whole dvd if it has games on it for my kid to play so I'll make an extra copy for him this way. If I want to see the special features I'll just put in the original.
I was so ugly when I was a kid, my parents used to take me everywhere just so they wouldn't have to kiss me goodbye.
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Windows has been a progression. So far the latter OSs have been better than the earlier versions, once most of the bugs were worked out. Looks like Vista is going along the same lines. You can use your derogatory label of XPeepee or whatever for XP. Looking around, you're in a small minority as far as being a W2K user. For most of us the XP is the best OS for doing backups. Besides myself we have the illustrious Creaky and Garmoon agreeing about the same. In fact, I'm sure if you did a poll, you'd find out that XP is probably the favorite OS for doing video backups. As I said earlier, W2K was merely a transitional OS which didn't last as long as the other Windows OSs. XP is a good OS, but still a transition to Vista.
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