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heraldsun
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16. May 2006 @ 13:59 |
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Yeah but how about the psp dead pixels?
Sony stated that they dont fix or accept used psp . you been warn(Quote)
so as a consumer,what does that statement say to you? about Sony...PSP never interested me,i couldn't justify owning one for the fact of the price.
also look what else has happened,i don't know if it was actually sony that did it,but UMD is now being abolished
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16. May 2006 @ 14:38 |
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if ur in warrenty, they will replace your psp.
and the game devs do say its harder to program from only when referreing to its full potention. the ppe and the spe's use different toolchains. they use the ppe for most things needing to be done instantly, and the spes can be used as backround process runners and can take over the process of playing music and video and other things that the ppe will be freed from having to do. it takes a bit more work to get full potential, but it takes even less work that the 360 to program the ppe alone. the toolchains are dif, but dif developers know dif things so its not really a problem.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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16. May 2006 @ 14:38 |
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haha g4y internet. i only clicked once
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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heraldsun
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16. May 2006 @ 14:41 |
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double posters dude :)
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DamonDash
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17. May 2006 @ 04:56 |
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Linax9: i been tryin to tell these guys the same thing but they are so hooked on what other people say that are not of any inportants to Sony.Not one word of what they heard came from a Sony First Party Developer.If MS was so good of a company why are they going to charge possible 250 for a HD-DVD drive.Look like Sony is you best bet.Lets do the math i get a MS 399 system plus 250 for a HD-DVD drive thats 650 dollars...So it just about even out but Sony would be you best bet and let me tell you why.You get the Bluetooth wireless controller,You will have a HD that going to be 2 times bigger than MS.Also MS has no Backwards compatibility thats right you waste money you cant play X-BOX first gen games on 360.Sony has 3 times as many Big titles than MS does.
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17. May 2006 @ 05:16 |
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Negative...sony does not have 3 times as many solid game titles as MS. at one point they did but they are losing exclusives alittle too much for their own good as of lately.Ive spoken of this before and "they" (sony guys) just dont seem to listen they are not the juggernaut they were last go round.They were the follower in the sense of ideas and etc. and granted ur getting a cheap blu-ray player but thats exactly what ur paying for a "cheap" product so u get what u pay for just like with the ps2 u got a "cheap"dvd player and they didnt work so well.
Name these titles that sony has over MS in the next gen.
Let me put it this way,Sony at one point had the biggest selling game on any console as an exclusive in GTA,SOny once had the biggest wrestling franchise as an exclusive Smackdown vs Raw,SOny once had Madden the biggest football franchise as an exclusive but not anymore!
1.2.3 im waiting
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17. May 2006 @ 05:40 |
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The 360 has a stronger lineup in my opinion, both in quality and quantity, Sony better get the finger out. There entire lineup is sequel after sequel, and while sequels are good, think up something original!!
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heraldsun
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17. May 2006 @ 12:08 |
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Linax9: i been tryin to tell these guys the same thing but they are so hooked on what other people say that are not of any inportants to Sony.Not one word of what they heard came from a Sony First Party Developer.If MS was so good of a company why are they going to charge possible 250 for a HD-DVD drive.Look like Sony is you best bet.Lets do the math i get a MS 399 system plus 250 for a HD-DVD drive thats 650 dollars...So it just about even out but Sony would be you best bet and let me tell you why.You get the Bluetooth wireless controller,You will have a HD that going to be 2 times bigger than MS.Also MS has no Backwards compatibility thats right you waste money you cant play X-BOX first gen games on 360.Sony has 3 times as many Big titles than MS does. (Quote)
listen mate,you really seem to be having problems in understanding what we are saying,you have completely mis-interpreted what we have been saying.all you have actually been doing is showing how much you love Sony and hate Microsoft!you say "Not one word of what they heard came from a Sony First Party Developer." your wrong there boss we have heard from a sony(s) first devolper on doing their games,if im interpreting your post right,they have stated several times how hard it is to develop for,and even harder with the up coming system,but on the same token,they have stated,that they as they did with the PS2 will over come this problem in time,they have to,to keep the income coming in,in other words ....the BOSSES orders,many game developers have jumped jobs because of this simple reason,now whether the company they jumped to has higher quality (better technology) i don't know...but it is fact.do a search,you will find what we are saying is pretty well accurate.
"Also MS has no Backwards compatibility" you really do not know what you are talking about do you...xbox is completely backwards compatible,sure,i grant you,AT this stage all games are not,but WILL be(the most popular titles)in the future,microsoft are working on their updates month by month.
you may well know,that as of earlier on this week/lastweek a FW hack was released,it allows them to play all B/U copies of 360 games and ALL standard xbox games(back-ups and originals)so if the hacking community can do it,what makes you think Microsoft can't make patches for ALL old original xbox titles
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17. May 2006 @ 15:26 |
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if you look, sony has some nice exclusive launch titles and many other exelent launch titles available from day one. people will see that and here about it.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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heraldsun
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17. May 2006 @ 18:20 |
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no doubt sony will have some excellent games come launch day,it's to be expected,,,well hopefully :)
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17. May 2006 @ 18:37 |
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Ps3 is having a hard time and getting harsh reviews by and almost every analyst about their steep price.We dont even know how much they will charge for games and i keep seeing people saying the 360 is expensive once u get the HD-DVD player which none of us know that price and its an OPTION not a must like sony made it for its customers.They are also having a tough time getting dev kits out to developers as stated in article below.People say the HD-DVD drive will be around $250.00 which it may be but think of this...sony is wrapping the ps3 with the Blu-ray player for 400dollars less than a standalone player so i think MS can do a little better price than half of the price of the stand alone HD-DVD player thats currently available but i may be wrong about that.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=56508
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17. May 2006 @ 19:05 |
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the fact that the HD-DVD player is an option is something that is very critical when figuring out how sony can sell the ps3 with blu ray which costs so much more for only 600$.
it is more benefical for companyA to manufacture, package, distribute ONE product. it also happens to be a hell of a lot cheaper. basically if i manufacture at a loss of a set amount the more i can manufacture and sell, the less of the loss i will actually feel. that is why blu ray is incorporated in every single ps3, not to mention the fact that sony is pushing the hell out of this. now take for account companyB who uses the optional package. it will cost that company more money to manufacture,package distribute that package than it would had they made one single product. you keep saying "im not buying the optional player," and personally i think you are actually part of the majority on that one. so now take into account that companyB's potential market for buying this option is reletively small, therefore $250 seems about right for them to sell this thing. there not going to be able to MASS produce, and thus the price will be probably stay above $200. this may not be the most correct model but i think you understand the idea, if not figure out how walmart works
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heraldsun
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17. May 2006 @ 20:10 |
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@ hade
i wouldn't like to run my buisness the way you have just described!!OK...sure there is going to have to be losses,but not the extent that sony will be facing,and unfortunately that may well be their undoing on their latest console...the consoles and drives ARE mass produced, to start with, are slightly expensive at first,but once the contracting company know that they are going to be used extensively by, say, Sony or Microsoft,prices of components come down in price,but even with this price reduction in a mass production enviroment,Sony are still going to lose an awful lot per console,to which,as we all know sony (or should know by now)that they don't like losses,no company likes losses,especially when share holders see the monthly dividends,quarterly figures,etc,etc...
PS you stated "if not figure out how walmart works" this is called buying power/bulk buying....bulk buying gives you the power to buy bulk at a cheaper rate,therefore you can sell at R.R.P to gain your profits.
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17. May 2006 @ 21:20 |
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you are absolutly right when you say they produce at a loss, but it is all about minimizing cost. sony would be losing even more money if they tried pushing an external blu ray player for the ps3. like i said if you take walmarts idea of business, but switch the role of bulk buying and selling into mass production and distribution you will see the advantage to an all inclussive system. overhead costs will come down in time and there is going to be a breakeven point. whether or not they reach that point varies. how do you think they determine the price on a product?? and with walmart's approach to quick turn around, if you only manufacture 100,000 items of something you will have to charge more money per item to recoup your losses, than if you were able to produce 500,000 items.... that is given that there is enough consumer base and demand. by the way if its already given that sony is going to lose sooo much money on the console wouldnt it be in their best interest to not only make, but sell as much as possible??? another factor in determining price and recouping losses...accessories
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heraldsun
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17. May 2006 @ 21:42 |
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@ hade
*S* we are at a stale mate here....i understand what you are saying,but what about the Blu-ray,it's exactly the same as the standalone costing,so they would be losing out on that as well as the standard console loss,how would you explain that to your shareholders...
for an example..Blu-ray to manafacture...$500.00.manafacturing of the PS3 $500.00
Sony say they are retailing it at what $599USDfor the PS3
and then Sony say they are retailing the standalone player for $999.00...
look at the loss if they work it that way,no way as a shareholder i'd be happy with that marketing ploy...would you?
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17. May 2006 @ 22:25 |
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well...if i read right lets say in this analogy, there would be a 500$ gain per stand-alone blu ray player sold, yet a fairly large loss per console. sony could sell the idea but there'd have to be the other factor of accessories..ie. movies, games, controllers etc. i think many people agree the loss on consoles is recouped on games and acceossories. im not sure what the price of BD disc are, but with what you said im not too sure anyone could sell this idea, unless some other factors were weighed in. eitherway point well taken.
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heraldsun
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17. May 2006 @ 22:30 |
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@ hade
:) don't get me wrong,i can see where you are coming from too...glad i don't have to try and innovate a marketing plan for either M$ or Sony *LOL*
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17. May 2006 @ 22:38 |
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damn guys are you all hawking this board cuz my email keeps getting new messages..
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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17. May 2006 @ 22:38 |
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lmao, actually i was gonna add atleast i dont have to ans to the board or shareholders
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18. May 2006 @ 05:37 |
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@ Rikjames: i guess Sony sold 103 million consoles just because the PS2 system look nice.LOL .Right now the top 10 sales on games PS2 has 6 in that top 10 Xbox has 3 Nintendo DS has 1.Its not a contest Guys went you going to open your eyes. @Heraldson: LOL your not listen to what i said or you just clueless.We are talking about standard system not Hacked system dont change up.360 does now have backwards compatibility right now.So if Microsoft has to make a patch they rushed there system out the gate and also they had no anttenion of making it backwards compat.Until some of you Microsoft Fan boys start cryin...LOL
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18. May 2006 @ 06:49 |
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I for one would not be surprised if Sony used the price points as a way to lower demand at launch.
Only the truly rich or completely hardcore fans are going to buy it for $500/$600 at launch.
It is launching around the holidays.
Think how many people bought ridiculous 360 bundles or 360s off eBay just to have one?
Not saying this won't happen with the PS3 either, but the reluctance of the widespread gamer community will decrease the chances more.
After the holiday season, they can easily drop the price once their production increases.
Sony is taking a big financial hit from the sale of each PS3 at these price points, so why lose even more money to picky people when they can get the people who love Sony or who don't think money is an issue.
Sony in general has never been a cheap brand. They have released cheaper products into the mass market recently to appear to the general population, but they have also always had their higher end products. They believe the PS3 is a higher end product.
remenber the good days when the internet used to be a reliable source for news that were endeed true.
i said it once and i will say it again ,so far everything is looking wonderfull for sony and playsation.
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18. May 2006 @ 07:45 |
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what the heck is so funny? ur so corny all you say is lol like some pubescent kid who just got the internet.
Lol lol lol @heraldsun ur a ms fanboy hahah lol
@rabbity u love MS they just dont get it(talking to sony buddies) lol
the above two refernce were solely to mock damondash because clearly something is extremely funny on this video game forum that nobody else is aware of.not to say i havent laughed at stuff on here but come on.he'll reply mocking me as a fanboy and probably end in lol.whos the real fanboy? i think we all know
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18. May 2006 @ 07:51 |
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LOL @ Rikjames
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18. May 2006 @ 08:15 |
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hahaha, thanks, lol.
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18. May 2006 @ 08:57 |
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you know, what is someone with the 360 w/o internet gunna do? with all the lack of emu's for back compat and the lack of updating which may make the system jsut as unstable as the launch. they must get shafted.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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