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:: DVD rebuilder & return of the king... dissapointing results...
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20. August 2004 @ 16:02 |
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Double D...
To answer your question, no, I haven't looked at the clips. For my own edification, however, I did my own analysis with RB-CCE, DVD2One, and Shrink 3.2 with ROTK just a couple of weeks ago. I also spent a significant amount of time on the project. My goal wasn't to be anti-shrink, but to find what worked best for my quality needs, which I consider to be primary. In the end, I liked the quality I got from CCE. And quite frankly, I considered it to be superior to Shrink 3.2 and DVD2One, which I also considered to be on par with each another. But this is just my opinion, and I am the one who must live with the results. I've avoided any "contest" because for me the question is settled. I'd like you to know that I often recommend Shrink to newbies because I believe it is a great training wheels program.
I will tell you that in my analysis I found that Shrink's pixel boundaries are "blended" in that there are not distinct boundaries within the P and B frame pixels. This creates a lot of room to "shrink" the video, and covers up any pixelation or artifacts. On the other hand, the I frames are mostly left intact, and these create the illusion of a sharp video much the way any video is basically an illusion - because our minds fill in the gaps between the 30 or so frames to create motion. Shrink uses blurred filler, and our minds, again, do the rest. This approach, in my way of thinking, was brilliant. But it can only go so far before it falls down. At the higher compressions the algorithms go after the I frames, and the hit is fairly big from the tests I have done.
In the end, I simply like the way CCE handles compression because of the clarity it provides.
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 16:05 |
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Sophocles, I switched DVD RB to low priority, so I can still multi-task, if that's why you said I needed a laptop for. ;)
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 16:15 |
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Doc409 , I do appreciate your opinion.
I guess DVD2DVD-R and DVD-RB handle CCE differently, hence our contradicting results.
However, DVD2One on-par with v3.2??
Anyway, I got an error with DVDRB and would appreciate your help:
"There is nothing to do!
DVD-RB couldn't locate appropriate files in working directory!
You must PREPARE and ENCODE first.
Aborting."
Nice use of capital letters, lol, I don't need for a proggy to shout at me. :D
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20. August 2004 @ 16:15 |
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Double "D"
The laptop statement was just a bit of dark humor, C'est comme les films noire.
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20. August 2004 @ 16:21 |
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dd...
Either RB is not completely set up properly, or you are not pointing to the right folder for the source.
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20. August 2004 @ 16:26 |
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dd...
Which version of CCE are you using. The error is similar to that when the ECLCCE file is not used with the trial versions.
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 16:31 |
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Doc409, just to clarify a point for others who might read this thread, DVD Shrink start processing the P-frames last, after having worked on the B and I frame first.
The degree to which each frame type is compressed (the way DVD Srink tries and spread the compression) is dependent on the AEC mode used.
At "Maximum Sharpness", B-frames will be compressed almost to their maximum compressability before I-frames then P-frames are processed.
At "Maximum Smoothness", frame types will be compressed almost to the same degree, in relation to their maximum compressability.
The other settings are in-betweens.
This is an oversimplified description, as the rest goes well above my head (error compensation, motion vectors, analysis >> maximum compressability, ...). :D
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 16:34 |
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Doc, I'm using 2.67 basic.
The source has been properly selected.
I don't know about the rest of the setup, all I can say is that DVD-RB spent 7 minutes analysing stuff and creating loads of tiny files before it threw this error. :/
P.S: if you're not busy, what about using the DVDShrink.info chatroom for helping me out?
It's empty. :)
http://www.dvdshrink.info/chatroom/index.php
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20. August 2004 @ 16:37 |
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I'm sending you a PM.
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20. August 2004 @ 16:38 |
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Double "d"
The B frames are compressed first but from what I've read from the review is that the P frames starts taking a hit around 20.5% and that increases with the size of the film. Now lest get you up and running with RB/CCE. BTW I don't use version 2.67 with RB I use the latest 2.69.10 abd I've never had a problem. Some unregistered versions or those using patches won't work.
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Help with development of BD RB: Donations at: http://www.jdobbs.com/. This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 20. August 2004 @ 16:39
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 16:41 |
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In the DVD-RB Setup window I have two paths filled:
Path to CCE SP (New).
Path to MPEG2DEC3DG (Ass to AVS File is checked).
The mode selected is "CCE Mode".
"One Click Mode"
"Dynamically assign cell bitrates"
"AVS Options >> ConvertToYUY2()"
"CCE Options >> CCE Basic (v2.67+)"
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20. August 2004 @ 16:46 |
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 16:51 |
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I have both the CCE Basic and CCE SP (New) paths filled in.
I guess the latter is from my previous attempt at using DVD-RB, a few month ago.
I have edited the .ini file, and the path is now correct.
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20. August 2004 @ 17:02 |
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Double "D"
That's OK, I tried CCE SP with DVD2DVD-R and CCE basic 2.67 works better. With RB/CCE I use 2.69 the latest and it also works great. I have both versions installed into separate folders and it completes my needs. Remind me to introduce you to DVDremake for even more fun.
BTW I recommend Shrink to newbies to give them what they want and they want fast. But you and I and others like us like getting our hands dirty, really playing with the product and I don't see how those two things Shrink and CCE are incompatible.
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 17:04 |
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Same error. :(
The path to CCE is correct.
The path to MPEG2DEC3DG is correct.
The path to the decrypted files is correct.
The working directory path points to an empty folder, on a drive with more than 20gb of free space.
The CCE option is CCE Basic.
The mode is CCE, One click, Dynamically assign...
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 17:06 |
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I know DVDRemake. I made the site for Dimad. ;)
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 17:24 |
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Just updated to v2.69. Let's see if that fixes the issue.
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 17:29 |
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Now I get another error message:
"Frame size 1216x56 is not supported. Supported frame size is up to 720x576."
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20. August 2004 @ 17:32 |
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Make sure you have checked the box "Add to AVS file" in the DVD-RB Setup panel. This is next to the MPEG2DEC3dg.dll path box.
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 17:36 |
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It is checked. :/
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20. August 2004 @ 17:39 |
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Is the MPEG2DEC3dg.dll file in the Rebuilder folder?
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 17:42 |
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yep
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20. August 2004 @ 17:44 |
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I'm stumped. I have installed CCE Basic 3 different times now, and never a problem. I need to think on this one.
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20. August 2004 @ 17:46 |
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Doble "D"
PM jdobbs or Vurbal and tell'em we sent you.
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 17:52 |
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Well, I tried manually launching CCE (cct2.exe) and got the same error message.
I tried again and was then able to open it. :-S
Giving DVD-RB another go before I go to bed...
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