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18. November 2008 @ 18:44 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by stealthdf:
Originally posted by MiahX:
Originally posted by lilflip22:
Kinda off topic but does C4Eva have certain web page, blog or place he regularly drops his info.. I always see people saying he has or hasn't confirmed stuff but never sure where they find this out other than random posts on here or x-scene... Thank you in advance
Good question, if he has a blog or regular posting place, I'm not aware of it. I have only seen him post on x-s randomly, and I think he may have an irc channel he hangs out on.

X-S has become worhtless because they are afraid to let you talk about anything there, and chancer is a big pussy with an ego who loves to ban peeps.
i noticed that also. how can you have forums when everything you are there to discuss will get you banned lol.
You can't find anything on X-scene, afterdawn is awesome in that aspect
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18. November 2008 @ 18:44 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by adambar:
Originally posted by EvilDeeds:
I have theories on why the m$ banwave comes once or twice a year...

1. Live scene, m$ don't hate piracy - it helps with xbl sales if there are plenty of people playing the latest games off the bat.

2. Do the minimum, they still need to keep up appearances for the developers who are the real victims of piracy, if piracy was as rife for the 360 and m$ did nothing then they would take it all to the ps3. Developers are already stopping dev for pc platforms.

3. Security, not much risk without native code on the xbox, but I'm sure m$ would like to keep as many "rogue" consoles off live as possible, hence the annual nature of the culling.

4. Sales, every extra console sold at christmas helps m$ look dominant over all other consoles.

5. Support, I'm sure it takes quite a few techies to oversee the banning phase, ok, most of it will be automated - but it will still need people to make the final decisions.. it probably isn't cost effective for m$ to employ people just for banning... and an all-year-round automated system has the potential for so many false-positives that it would be a media nightmare.

Probably a load of bullocks, but then again, who really cares if I'm right or wrong anyway? :)
Not to pick on you directly, but I am very tired of hearing about how M$ bans to increase console sales. THEY LOSE MONEY ON EVERY CONSOLE THEY SELL! That is a fact and the only way they make that money back is through getting their share of game sales (and accessories/Xbox Live to a small extent). The only one of the "big three" who makes money on a console sale is Nintendo with the Wii (I'm only commenting on consoles here, not handhelds). Other than that your theories aren't too off-base.
ms productions costs went down a few months ago with new nm chip sizes so they are not losing money anymore, the only one losing ,money on hardware is sony and that is why u dont see price drops. wii hasnt done price drops casue they are at a good price point and ppl are shooting eachother to get one of their fad consoles anyway so they dont have any reason to do a drop. ms held out as long as they could before they dropped prices. so u shouldnt flame this guy cause ms is making money on console sales, they were not 6 months ago but now they are. dont ask me for proof cause i am not going to search the net for hours to prove that to u, its there but its been a month or so since the article was posted so i have no idea where it is.
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18. November 2008 @ 18:47 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by adambar:
Originally posted by Bonovox40:
Please don't flame since i'm admitting this may be a total newb question that might be already known. Scenario: not playing on live, ethernet disconnected. I play Fallout 3-seed4me release. A week after the retail game is released, I play the retail copy of Fallout3 (still being offline)

Could this change anything as to info that can be relayed to M$? I played the seed4me release of Fallout3....and then played the retail one after and overwrote my s4me created saves with the retail version booted up? Does the seed4me data stay encoded within the game data somewhere on the drive, or could the retail one overwrite that making the bad game data non-existent? I still haven't connected to live for more than a month. (since f3 leak)
Thanks for any thoughts on this. Like I said, maybe it has been answered in a different way/post, but I haven't seen it asked in my exact circumstance. Does it matter at all if the account name I use to play offline is NOT the one I use when going on live to download updates?
Good question. To be safe I would delete all of your Fallout data and then clear the cache on your hard drive before you even think of going online. Some people here may tell you you'll be OK, but I would certainly take the safe route if I were you. Also, you said your ethernet was disconnected at the beginning, have you plugged it back in at all since you played the leaked game? If so, you may already be screwed.

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Yeah delete all game progress and data saves of that game off your hard drive and prey, because the servers always asks for authintification and error codes when your logging into live..

Thats why that shit takes forever when its connecting and it gets to the IMCP in the network settings.. Its sending info home to dady and the servers send request info back to you with either good news "ONLINE" or bad news HAMED. LOl
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18. November 2008 @ 18:49 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
posted by adambar Good question. To be safe I would delete all of your Fallout data and then clear the cache on your hard drive before you even think of going online. Some people here may tell you you'll be OK, but I would certainly take the safe route if I were you. Also, you said your ethernet was disconnected at the beginning, have you plugged it back in at all since you played the leaked game? If so, you may already be screwed.

I have NOT plugged the ethernet cable in for over a month and NOT after I got Fallout3. How would it be if I made new saves using a legit copy of Fallout3, backed that up to a Memory stick, and then deleted Fallout 3 and cleared the cache....can I reload the Fallout3 saves off the memstick later or is that botched too? Hate to lose all the time put into it...but the alternatives...you know.
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18. November 2008 @ 18:49 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
http://www.gamersplatform.com/2008/11/18...r-the-xbox-360/ basically ms rep confirmed that there is a Ban hammer in the NXE update
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18. November 2008 @ 18:51 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
IGOTHAMED - Let's please keep the foul language off the forums.



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18. November 2008 @ 19:02 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by creaky:
IGOTHAMED - Let's please keep the foul language off the forums.

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Hey Creaks, sorry for the language it won't happen again and i will post short posts in the future!

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18. November 2008 @ 19:16 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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I have NOT plugged the ethernet cable in for over a month and NOT after I got Fallout3. How would it be if I made new saves using a legit copy of Fallout3, backed that up to a Memory stick, and then deleted Fallout 3 and cleared the cache....can I reload the Fallout3 saves off the memstick later or is that botched too? Hate to lose all the time put into it...but the alternatives...you know.

If you are really attached to those saves you could back them up to a memory card and only play FO3 when the ethernet cable is unplugged, but you would also do well to keep that memory card out of the unit unless your ethernet cable is unplugged.


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ms productions costs went down a few months ago with new nm chip sizes so they are not losing money anymore, the only one losing ,money on hardware is sony and that is why u dont see price drops. wii hasnt done price drops casue they are at a good price point and ppl are shooting eachother to get one of their fad consoles anyway so they dont have any reason to do a drop. ms held out as long as they could before they dropped prices. so u shouldnt flame this guy cause ms is making money on console sales, they were not 6 months ago but now they are. dont ask me for proof cause i am not going to search the net for hours to prove that to u, its there but its been a month or so since the article was posted so i have no idea where it is.

I realized production cost went down (hence the price drop), but even when they were first released charging $450-$500+ per unit, Microsoft was losing like $50-$100 per console. The point is even if they have managed to break even or make a few dollars on every console, ultimately it is not their source of revenue. The 360 console is a giveaway, the games are where the money is at. Anyone who denies that is just kidding themselves.
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18. November 2008 @ 19:25 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by stealthdf:
http://www.gamersplatform.com/2008/11/18/another-banwave-for-the-xbox-360/ basically ms rep confirmed that there is a Ban hammer in the NXE update
This is bull. I'm not updating until someone updates on here.
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18. November 2008 @ 19:31 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by XPerryX:
Originally posted by stealthdf:
http://www.gamersplatform.com/2008/11/18/another-banwave-for-the-xbox-360/ basically ms rep confirmed that there is a Ban hammer in the NXE update
This is bull. I'm not updating until someone updates on here.
The only "confirmation" is that there was a ban hammer leading up to the NXE. People need to stop drinking the "Mircosoft is going to disable our 360's with the NXE!!!" kool-aid. Wait for some actual proof, not some fear-monger mongering more fear.

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18. November 2008 @ 19:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by stealthdf:
http://www.gamersplatform.com/2008/11/18/another-banwave-for-the-xbox-360/ basically ms rep confirmed that there is a Ban hammer in the NXE update
From here: http://twitter.com/Stepto

He says "shhh hear that? It's the banhammer swinging ahead of the NXE."

Notice the "ahead of", it sounds to me like he is referring to the bans that have been going on right now, before the NXE release, not because of. Slow down and read.
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18. November 2008 @ 21:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well. I will update and post right back here at midnight,either way banned or not.It is at midnight est time right?
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18. November 2008 @ 21:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by yzrider22:
Well. I will update and post right back here at midnight,either way banned or not.It is at midnight est time right?
I had trouble finding that out for sure myself....
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18. November 2008 @ 21:56 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
cool, thanks man!
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18. November 2008 @ 22:06 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
from [url=Majornelson.com][/url] "We'll START deploying at 0200 PT. Not everyone will get it right away though"

See what time that is for you [url=http://ping.fm/fwZ1o][/url]

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18. November 2008 @ 22:07 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by MiahX:
Originally posted by yzrider22:
Well. I will update and post right back here at midnight,either way banned or not.It is at midnight est time right?
I had trouble finding that out for sure myself....
From Major Nelsons Twitter http://twitter.com/majornelson

@Daveydz3 was the first one to get it right! We'll START deploying at 0200 PT. Not everyone will get it right away though.
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18. November 2008 @ 22:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
lol yea... thats 5 am here. will have to wait until another day...
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18. November 2008 @ 22:36 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Holy crap, everyone kept saying midnight EST on Xbox forums, dumb kids.

http://twitter.com/majornelson/status/1012029171

http://twitter.com/majornelson/statuses/1012032902

That sucks...

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18. November 2008 @ 23:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Go to bed, wake up tomorrow and presto nothing will have changed except a pretty new dashboard and few little features.
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19. November 2008 @ 00:02 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Darnet That Blows I stayed up just so I could do this, and update yall if there was a ban.LOL Well Off to bed .I got to get up in 6 hours,so maybe then I will update yall.
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19. November 2008 @ 01:05 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
So just saw this on X-scene not sure how accurate but #fw on irc usually has decent info...
according to #fw:

1. bans are happening from the same shit as before (dmi, pfi, ss, etc)
and/or
2. bans are happening because cross-branded spoofed drives can be detected (new ixtreme 1.5 coming out, no eta)
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19. November 2008 @ 02:07 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
hi can any one tell me if i get a ban of if i update to the new dashboard will i still be able to play my backups offline.
many regards to all

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19. November 2008 @ 02:56 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by paul657:
hi can any one tell me if i get a ban of if i update to the new dashboard will i still be able to play my backups offline.
many regards to all
Yes.
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19. November 2008 @ 03:38 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by fern148:
Originally posted by brifa:
Guys once again i been online with my hitachi fw 1.4 played dead space ,GOW2,and shaun white...still not banned...maybe bcos im in danmark..I dont know....but im to legit to quit..
Brifa where's Danmark at?

Denmark..u guys happy now...lol
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19. November 2008 @ 04:14 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
According to this link there is anoter ban hammer coming when the NXE goes live and also they will be watching people for playing Left for Dead early.

I dont know how solid this source is but I thought that I would post it.
 
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