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ps3 vs xbox360
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lxhotboy
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17. April 2006 @ 05:35 |
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First, the launch titles are not the most important factor when looking at a system, might be a lot smarter to also look down the road a little bit. I was actuallu speaking of the systems both being released and being on the market for a time period to mature, maybe a year.
Second, Madden will always be released for all of the major consoles so that really is not a valid point.
Third, if blue ray does fail who really cares.
Fourth, Sony wouldnot go under if BRay failed. As long as the PS3 sales they will be fine. The video gaming industry has brought them more money lately than anything else. It is their bread and butter.
Fifth, real gamers dont buy a console based off the best price. It you got the money, you see a better lineup of games on one side and you want it, then most people are going to get the system they want eventually regardless of the price.
Yeah you are right MS will never go broke and i understand what you are saying about them signing more developer for exclusives but there is a diff in talking about good exclusives and actually getting them out for people to play. You have to wait and see what each company will have released to actually judge their lineup of games for the new system plus both have to be on the market. But if we look at their past track record, sony had the most quality exclusives with no need to even waste time attempting to compare with microsoft number of quality exclusives.
Also let me bring up an important point that most forget is a benefit of Blueray over Dvd. A way to play backups on the Xbox 360 was under way just as soon as people could get their hands on the system. We all know DVD are easy to burn nowdays but with the games on Blue ray ,they will be harder to crack and burn. And you have to take into factor that how many people will have a BRay burner with the technology being so new. Just Looking at the price of a BRay player we know the burners will be priced extremely high. That is one benefit I see.
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cmk0121
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17. April 2006 @ 05:57 |
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to respond to that hott garbage i just read. I didnt state launch titles are all that i just stated a fact that sonys sucked. Next Blu-ray will be carcked just like everything elese has been to this point so nice try with that.parents buy the general portion of consoles not kids buddy. kids who play consoles more than anyone else buy consoles. kids dont have jobs so parents dont want to spend all that money on a MINOR uprgrade if and upgrade is what u want to call it.True older people are starting to make a big portion of gaming but people even said the 360 was too expensive, not every body has the money is the point you so easily missed.Microsoft will save tons of money by using the cheaper dvd format, granted it will be cracked. Blu-ray will also be cracked and sony will spend plenty of money on fundig the "if you got money then blow if" movement. When a company is firing its own asscoiates as i said before for givin its own product a bad review that not saying too much.Blu-ray will only be utilized for movies.system is said to hard to develop games for unlike ms
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17. April 2006 @ 07:35 |
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i wonder why it was logged in uner my second account.. i thought i posted under this one. oh well.
the unified achitechture and memory are great yes, but it does not mean that the fill rates are better, the memory spead is better, the resolution is surely not better, and the graphical rendering of textures may not be as detailed but only refined. if im not mistaken, sure the 360 has more pipes, 48 to be exact. the ps3 has 24 pipes. at first glace you would think the 360 would dominate. but its where the efficeincy of the 2 come into play. the 360 with its 48 pipes does 94 operations per clock (48x2), yet the ps3 has only 24 and does 134.4 operations per clock (24x5.6). this means the ps3 will have a much larger fill rate, and a quicker time rendering. the ps3 will excell with load times both graphically and during load screens. it will also well take advantage of the unreal engines seemless method of creating at endless level by constantly loading parts onto the map to create the largest world you could ever imagine with no load screens. in graphical detail, the 360 will be close to the ps3, but the ps3 will take the lead, and its load and fill times will be well less than the 360.
not all of sonys suck. look at ut2007, killzone, and mgs4 as some examples. madden 06 for 360, you cannot tell me this is a good game. sure it looks nice, but it lost all of the cool features it had for it like franchise and nfl superstar. the one for xbox was better. oh but funny thing, all the games that had been ported from xbox to 360, the xbox versions dont seem to run on the 360, yet other games do. smell a fish here anyone?
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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cmk0121
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17. April 2006 @ 08:12 |
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You def seem pretty good at the tech mumbo jumbo but i try not too get into a whole lot of that because for every guy like you who rmables of specs and etc. their is a guy who will claim the exact opposite. Speak of the obvious facts is what i say, ps2 was slower than xbox, looked worse,had a worse online system. all facts not opinons. You can ramble on with all that nonsesne but in the end your just another fanboy. Your right not all sony sucks, just their customer service and product reliablity. Sony has a lot of good games but to me they are overshadowed by the poor system. As long as they have fans like you who are ready to take them to the alter they'll probably always dominate MS.im not sure why all these powerful specs mean nething its all about the games right? then sony fans shut it about the specs and MS fans stick to it. Thats what MS fans have cared about since day 1,speed,features,graphics and quality customer service. You can have your one or two better games than MS and ednjoy spending the extra money for an equal,inferior,minor upgrade...oh yeh thats right you dont know crap about what PS3 will be like you havent played it. sony is known for promising what they cant deliver. The fish you smell is coming from your babygirl(ps2).
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TruthMan
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17. April 2006 @ 08:42 |
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whoa, ive missed sooo much. and its only been a day ive missed. nar the sony fanboys are biting back it seems. hmm....
graphics, gameplay, price, choise of games (linked to gameplay aswell), online service.
these are the 5 powers that each console has.
about power only:
with *CURRENT NEW GEN* games the PS3 is more powerful. b/c it can handle single threaded code better due to the architecture of the hardware it has. however with *NEXT GEN* (like a year min), as developers start to utilise more threads of code and how to utilise the capabilities that hardware has, the 360 will overtake the PS3 in terms of power and visual enchancements (due to unified pipelines and the other 2 processor cores that currently arnt being used). even thou the PS3 is currently more powerful with single threaded games, it isnt by far. maybe something around 5-10% more powerful with single threaded games. thats computes to around 5FPS extra and the slightly better physics, *if* the developers make use of that, which only a few will likely do. (also taking into accound how computer cards advance and get fps increases), so its pretty pawltry overall.
and zelda, you tagged the rest perfectly agen. need i say anymore agen?
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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17. April 2006 @ 12:55 |
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seems like all is irrelevant,games,graphics,speed,features etc. for every person who speaks technically their is someone debunking what that person is saying. 80% of gamers dont know the true in's and outs of the tech talk, specs and all that. It just comes down to loyality or preference. SO when i hear someone start rambling on, i truthfully dont know the difference who is right or wrong when it comes to those issues. I mean call me dumb,call me whatever you want but the techies battle it out with no victory in sight. bunch of he said she said to us laymans. Im for MS just because me and too many people i know got screwed by sony with the ps2 and everyone i know whos had xbox loves it with a passion. i like the 360 and think its graphically a nice system. As far as the next gen thing i dont think any of the two next gen consoles will meet up to the standards of what people are expecting. I think the 360 is great and a big improvement but im no fool, MS botched their launch something fierce. I believe if they hadnt sony would have no choice but to have launched in spring and wouldnt have been able to delay thier launch as they did.If sony stumbles whatsoever in november like MS did they will be done, too much of a head start will surely do them in.
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17. April 2006 @ 12:57 |
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the ps3 i think supports 2 threads, plus every spe runs ops like a thread would. you say ms fans looks for speed, but they dont get it. i think i said before, i was playing madden 06 for 360 and the load times were astronomical, and untill they get the cores working more (even tho that will bring a mild increase) they wont be near the ps3 in any way. the cell was designed for media and entertainment options, which if you look is what sony is aiming for "A complete entertainment center from one little box". the 360's processor is basically a decent pc processor. most games (basoically all) are not multithreaded, and wont be soon. the threads only increase processing speeds, not ram speeds or graphical output which the 360 will fall behind it. for things like multitasking the 360 might dominate, but how do you really multitask enuf in a console to need all those threads?
and i dont feel like i got screwed by sony, the system played the games i wanted, and it had almost all the games i liked. sure it lacked a bit in the graphical depot, but im not about to drop 300 on a new console that looks somewhat better and has fewer games that i like, and most will have been on ps2 anyways. if ps3 comes out and starts to fall behind 360, ill sell it and get one. i was a poor kid during the past gen wars (only in middle school) so i couldnt get it all. now i have a chance since i get money now.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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cmk0121
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17. April 2006 @ 13:02 |
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You must be the one and only experiencing slow load times on madden cause thats a first on me, the cell is said by its on people making the system hards as shat to develop games for. go ahead and blow you money on upgrades not noticeable to the naked eye
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cmk0121
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17. April 2006 @ 13:06 |
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your contradicting logic PAL, you said u werent going to spend money on a graphical update or some trash like that. thats what ur doing with the ps3 wiseguy
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17. April 2006 @ 13:10 |
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no, when i was younger i didnt have a job. i do now, and i make money now. im also gunna get a pc on roids soon. both systems came out when i was in middle school as i said, so what little money i could get or squeez out of my mom was spent on games or other things i accually needed.
i never really got into these wars till now.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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cmk0121
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17. April 2006 @ 13:18 |
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same with me, im now at the point where i can afford these systems.i just truly dont think the ps3 route will be one that is worth the risk. Oblivion is slow as balls i'll give you that and so is topspin. Even still both game ssold pretty well. the 360 is doing what it has to now after that stumble at launch. selling alot of games and they look and play well for the most part,i havent played them all
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cmk0121
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17. April 2006 @ 13:33 |
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By the time Ps3 somes out,if it comes out on schedule... the 360 will have so many solid titles of ever genre its not even funny. At the time they are only using one of its 3 cores, imagine when they figure it all out and game developers start utilizing the 360's power. All the hiccups people are complaining about(sony fans mostly) will be ironed out and sony will only be beggining their issues. Remember ps2 didnt have a squeaky clean launch, they were way understocked and a lot of customers couldnt get a system much like the xbox. Dvd drive in the systems was burning out and laser reader was dying out. Even to this day when they revamped the system and came out with the slim ps2 it had big problems. People like to forget what sony has done wrong and only bash MS. Just doesnt make too much sense to me,people say xbox isnt that good, but yet sony is borrowing ideas from xbox live and pretty much trying to do. everything MS did. Games are all that won it for the ps2, MS wont allow that to stop them this time.All this hype over the ps3 is going to make some sad fans when the real stuff is out.go look at screenshots for the ps3,not so great...just as good as the 360 in some games and worse for some in others.its a fact that with XNA on their side microsoft is easier to develop games for and the 360 will be rolling by the time ps3 even gets out of the gates. Cant wait til the ps3 comes out and all these people who talked the system up get theirs and feel like a bunch of idiots.u said it yourself, xbox had fewer games and only looked a little better, by the time ps3 is out if what u say is true and the ps3 looks better it will be the exact opposite of what happened last console battle.360 will look worse have more and better games out. I feel sont fans will stick to it no matter what happens,hope the whole Blu-ray thing works out
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17. April 2006 @ 14:10 |
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but remember, most games on the xbox are on other systems, and to thread them in a way
that the pc or ps3 could not use would be improbable. again, threads dont make the game
looks better, but they can do well on physics and processing data. the ps3 dedicates a spe to
every major aspect of a game or entertainment use, with some left to fill in the extra data to
increase flow. it all depends on what you doing as to what will work/play/operate better.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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17. April 2006 @ 14:19 |
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companies want to make games on the system that will sell the most copies of their product and on a system that allows them to make the best game possibly in the most efficient ways. Ps3 is terribly inefficient at making games as least difficult as possible to develop
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TruthMan
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17. April 2006 @ 15:16 |
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25% of the cell's power is used 2 power the linux OS. only 4% of the 360's processor is takes up by the windows OS.
and u cant specify SPE's to parts of the games. all the code simply goes in and comes out, whatever part it is.
developers find it hard enuf 2 code for it as it currently is, never mind all that stuff. like specifing it etc.
and er, cmk0121. try to lighten up just a little bit.. youve got sum very good argument points thou.
and anubis. if you want a PS3 get one. its all about choise. if u want one, get one. the consoles are for entertainement. if it will make you happy, get one :-). glad ur working 2. welcum 2 the world of having $$$ or £££. its gud. lol.
dont let any1 put u off getting a PS3 if u want 1. al we do is just talk about stuff to do with em, n their differences etc. dont take it 2 heart. its just a discussion..
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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17. April 2006 @ 15:41 |
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i think both consoles are great, i believe that ps3 has more bonuses, like blue ray and blue tooth, but those are just extras, as for actual power of the console, it seems every week i read something new which makes the xbox 360 sound better than the ps3, like unified shader which although i new about a long time ago i just read that project offset works best with unified shader and that nvidea are going to be using it next year which obviously means that it must be an important factor for next gen. oh and then there is the os, like thruthamn said, i mean whats the point in having this oh so powerfull cell if it is only going to be 75%. it just sees like sony have put loads of really good stuff into the ps3, but have not put it together very well so that it uses the full potential. but having said that i must say that sony know what they are doing, they already have a fanbase of 100 million and by putting a whole load of great stuff like linex and blue ray, the old fanbase which is already loyal to sony will go straight for it without thinking.
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17. April 2006 @ 15:49 |
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to the c-something guy with numbers, some devs said its hard to start on. keep in mind this
was from the early dev kits wih little middleware. its been just as easy to program for the ps3
as anything else lately, even easier than the ps2.
to truthman, wow you really dont know your stats do you?
if you notice, each spe is basically its own 128-bit processor under command from the big
guy (ppe)
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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17. April 2006 @ 15:53 |
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and again, the ps3 is not out, so anything you hear about the 360 will sound good since what much do you know of the ps3 yet? also, the os will not run 24/7, only when you boot to it. even so, the cell is a powerful processor, and evgen more so, the processor is being used less and less for gaming (there is going to be an new thing to take place of the processor for gaming but i cant remember what its called) does the 360 even run windows? if so how?
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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17. April 2006 @ 16:23 |
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anubis you said "so anything you hear about the 360 will sound good since what much do you know of the ps3" but thats the thing, with the xbox 360 already released and rushed games like call of duty 2 and pdz being compared to games like the mgs4 trailer whcih was shown. so technically it has been pretty harsh on the xbox 360 so far.
oh and i am not sure about this but i read somewhere that the ps3 os will be the main backdrop and that it will be as the main page in which you can then spawn off to other things, messaging, games, etc.
i also read that at e3 they are going to have one exhibition where the developer from gears of war, mas4 and red steel will show off their work . its cool the way they are taking the best developers form each conosle and pitting them in the same room.
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17. April 2006 @ 16:53 |
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so to the guy who said its just as easy to develop games for and put the garbage chart up, i like how sony even said its hard to make games for but ur disagreeing with them, thats kinda ridiclous. Never seen something like that, guess u got the inside track huh?
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17. April 2006 @ 17:10 |
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anubis think happy thoughts, lol
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17. April 2006 @ 17:18 |
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hahaha
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17. April 2006 @ 20:47 |
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again, sony's statement was befor a majority of the middleware. i know someone from midway chicago that says it was a bit dificult at first but not bad, and as the middleware was added to each release of the dev kits, programming got easier and easier.
and at e3, i heard there are high chances of playable ps3 prototypes, but only to a few people in the media depot. your average joe may have no chance to play.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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oofRome
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17. April 2006 @ 21:09 |
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Thank you Anubis for bringing up the stream processing. As far as I know, when the Cell is stream processing it outperforms the 360, even if all threads & cores are being utilized.
And isn't development cost and difficulty an issue with virtually every console war?
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17. April 2006 @ 21:09 |
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oh and i just heard that Lucent Tech has filed a lawsuit against the 360 involving mpeg-2
decoding which, if Lucent wins, could halt 360 production and force the models on shelves to
be pulled, along with millions in compensation to Lucent. if that is the case, at the time of the
end of the case, there will be no more 360 for like 2 or 3 months, and then so in extremely
low quantities. it will hurt the 360 severley to the point it may completely lose the next gen
battle.
http://www.ps3portal.com/xbox360/article/355.html
and i also read about a 200 gb bluray disk being tested at the moment. talk about
outperforing hd-dvd here. imagine fully uncompressed videos at 1080p
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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