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cmk0121
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19. April 2006 @ 04:18 |
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looks like the blue-ray hd era isnt looking so pretty for the consumer. Might hit future ps3 owners more than 360 owners being as the blue-ray is why they will being extra for the console.Movies are supposed to cost around 35bucks at first,yeh not so good.With the ear of movie places not charging late fee's i kinda lost my umph for dvds's they are just another thing to blow money on. There arent enough classics out there worth blowing thousands of dollars,not every movie or remotely enough movies have replay value worth 35bucks.personally im going to skip the HD-DVD,Blu-ray til it gets its crap straight anf just go with a quality up-conversion dvd-player.check this article out...
http://gear.ign.com/articles/691/691408p1.html
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19. April 2006 @ 04:31 |
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imagine this, with bluray you'll be able to fit a whole season onto one disk with loads of features, hell maybe even a whole show! bluray has about 3-4x the support from movie studios over HD-DVD, and i believe this is what will lead the the victory for the bd-rom team.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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19. April 2006 @ 04:59 |
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thats a good point, it will make things a lot more convenient. but with diff companies supporting Blu-ray and HD-DVD its going to keep people from having a full collection since certain studios support the different formats. Obv Blu-ray has more comapines on their side at this point so they def have the edge as far as that but still...point taken? oh and Sony?s claim that 1080p is ?true high definition? is ridiculous when you consider the fact that their PlayStation 3 will be able to output a 1080p signal through its two HDMI outputs, yet none of their high-definition televisions, not even the KDS-R60XBR1, can actually accept such a signal.Granted in teh futre they may have some but still that may be months,yrs i mean who knows
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19. April 2006 @ 06:13 |
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iwatched a program, and they made an interesting comment while tyalking about hd dvd and blue ray, they said that they think neither of theose consoles will win, and that it will be the hard drive that will come top. and i fid it to be a valid point b/cthe way i see it is when you move from one format to the nextyou want something big to change like from vhsto dvd, but dvd to blue ray is just not enough of a change, but hard drives are a massive change, anyways thats what i watched on tv, so plz anubis do not come back at me.
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19. April 2006 @ 06:16 |
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i am alittle slow as you can see, do you mean hdd like the storage devices? explain and yet agin as far as this goes im a moron
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rabbity
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19. April 2006 @ 06:24 |
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yeah i meant hard drive, but it will look like a normall dvd player except without the dvd drive ofcourse. basically they will have a library of films and programs on your tv wehich you can buy (like a dvd) but then you justy download them to your hdd.
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19. April 2006 @ 07:05 |
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this topic has gone nuts...
im just gonna answer anubis stream processing question.
anubis a SPE doesnt process a different part of the dam game!.
its like how it handles each different part of the games code, kinda like the basic fetch, decode and execute a processor does. 3 parts but with the final output being a single execution.
think of it this way. the 7 SPE;s (the 8th one is disabled) break the code up into 7 parts. but still has only 1 output as everything does, but b/c its dun in different chunks. it can fly through peices of game code. enabling very fast game performance.
however, who ever said that the PS3's cell is more powerful than the 360's processor, when all 3 are being used. well that is vastly wrong. the 360 will vastly overpower if all 3 cores are being used with 2 threads on each (so it has 2 be a 6 threaded game, unlikely thou for sum time!). dont assume the PS3 will still be stronger..
and besides. the most important component for games is the GPU, by far. so once the developers grasp the unfiied shader well (after sum time), it will have great possibilities.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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19. April 2006 @ 07:19 |
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dont c how the topic hads gone nuts truthman, the thread is on a topic that allows one to encompass many a thing from ps3 price,reason of price whatever it will be, and Blu-ray technology
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19. April 2006 @ 07:24 |
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retract that statement i just posted truth i was even looking and posted it in the wrong thred. i apologize
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19. April 2006 @ 07:52 |
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lol. accepted, hehe
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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19. April 2006 @ 12:45 |
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ps3 wont even have a system "open to the public" at e3, they are going to have it restricted off in private areas. that cant be too promising, even MS had its beast of a system out and ready for all to enjoy. 3 negative rumors swirling about ps3.
1.system 50% too big to fit in the shell
2.still bidding on components meaning they are way behind in production.
3.OS will take 25% memory/wahtever tech term is compared to MS 3%.
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lxhotboy
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19. April 2006 @ 17:16 |
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I feel you on the second and third rumors posted. The size shouldnot be a problem. They could just make the system shell bigger. I am sure it wouldnot be a problem b.c xbox was a bulky console and so is the 360. Neither systems sales were affected by the size of the console. Sony should go ahead and have the ps3 available to play and not just to a select few. There are a lot of people waiting to see what it is going to shape up like.
It is possible to edit your own post and remove them if you need to retract anything.
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19. April 2006 @ 17:53 |
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in japan size is a problem. but no matter what sony just has more reliability, we all know that sony makes great games and really good sequals. bluray is gonna be great. there are not alot of games coming out for the x360 what games are people looking forward to? halo3 gow????
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19. April 2006 @ 19:12 |
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however, who ever said that the PS3's cell is more powerful than the 360's processor, when all 3 are being used. well that is vastly wrong. the 360 will vastly overpower if all 3 cores are being used with 2 threads on each (so it has 2 be a 6 threaded game, unlikely thou for sum time!). dont assume the PS3 will still be stronger..
vastly?
doubtful.
i just read on a googlegroup thing that developers said that if sony or microsoft would've just put in a p4 or amd64 than they would be ahead of all the other console competition.
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19. April 2006 @ 19:27 |
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to rabbity. this issnt coming back at you, but are hdd's really new? we've used them for years. you think it would be weird inserting an hdd into a reader like a cartridge? i dont think it would take off.
and i frased them wrong, but the stream processing can get more done 'boatload' faster than the 3 cores, even with all threads. look at the tech sheets between the two processors and in the catagories the consoles need and use the cell takes the far lead. by was it almost double the tflops?
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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19. April 2006 @ 19:37 |
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lxhotboy
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19. April 2006 @ 23:59 |
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I know that everyone has their opinion to which system will be the dominate system in the next-gen of videogaming console. I think the ps3 is going to just dominate the xbox360 in sales if i had to make a honest wager of money. I have seen some people who are completely anti-sony that even say the same. They may hate sony but still know that the xbox doesnot stand a chance in sales of systems. I just saw something that kinda made me say man!!!!! and i wanted to show those that actually think the xbox360 will outsell the ps3 some numbers of sales at this present time.
US Monthly Sales (March 2006) - Rounded
PlayStation 2: 273,000 [39,251,931]
Game Boy Advance: 201,000 [37,286,846]
Xbox 360: 192,000 [1,209,343]
PlayStation Portable: 186,000 [4,170,434]
Nintendo DS: 184,000 [4,308,665]
Xbox: 83,000 [15,698,997]
Gamecube: 63,000 [12,008,291]
I know that there is a shortage of xbox360 but still if the ps2 is still outselling the xbox360, sony doesnot even need to get in a hurry to release the ps3. I dont even want to see how the xbox360 is selling in japan. This is just a question to those that truely believe the xbox360 will outsell the ps3. Honestly,what makes people believe the xbox360 will outsell the ps3 when it still cant even move more units than the ps2 in the USA???? Is not the US suppose to be the market that MS is trying to win this time??
Any thoughts???
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Good stats lxhotboy.
Maybe its not PS3 vs 360 but PS2 vs 360 with PS2 winning. Thats gotta hurt MS.
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lxhotboy
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20. April 2006 @ 04:22 |
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I mean do people actually think that when the ps3 is released that halo 3 being released at the same time will be enough to push sales of the xbox360 to compete with the ps3. It will sure help for MS to drop Halo3 around the ps3 lauch dates but let's get real. MS xbox360 looks by these sales numbers, like it is going to get crushed as did its predecessor. It seems as if MS can get anything right. They could have at least been prepared with enough units to meet the demand at launch. MS marketing team for the xbox360 should be fired b.c it looks like sony is about to break them off a second ROYAL FLUSH. I would be ashamed if i working for MS to even see sales numbers like that.
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yh i can agree with that fact, but you have to keep in mind that ps2 is a lot cheaper than xbox 360 and the name of playstion is more famouse.
i do think that sony will win the war, its just depends on m$ how close they want to get, but after doing a loit of reaserch i have found that xbox 360 not only the console for me with games but also power.
dr.cool i know i should respect your opinion, but i have to say your wrong, b/c on every thread that you answer on this forum you say the same thing that the xbox 360 does not have any good games coming apart from gow and halo 3, well i can can tell you, that you are painfully wrong, if you did some reaserch you could find over 300 good titles coming to xbox 360 just in 2006.
ok b/c i am in a good mood i will make a list of all the ones i think are worth getting -
gears of war
saints row
mass effect
too human
lost oddesy
R* ping pong
carckdown
huxley
Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II
Chromehounds
Lost Planet
Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball 2
Dead Rising
F.E.A.R. Next [Untitled]
Fable 2
Frame City Killer
Jade Empire 2
N3: Ninety-Nine Nights
Moto GP 2006
Ninja Gaiden 2
Project Delta
Square Enix / Tri-Ace RPG
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent
Viva Piñata
WarDevil -- Unleash the Beast Within
these were just some of the good ones that are coming out in 2007. now i am not saying the ps3 will not have great games but in my personal opinion after reading a lot on every single game above i personally have never seen such a line up.
and before you come back and tell me how crap those games are, all i will say is wait till e3.
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20. April 2006 @ 06:48 |
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ooooh. i didnt know the pipeline stages of the IBM processor's. so i couldnt fully judge the processors.
well since its very deep, yes. that is bad. less efficient per clock.
they should know that IBM are really really crap.
sony shud 2. branch prediction is quite important thou. although not as much in the cell, cos of the SPE's so collisions or mis predictions dunt matter 2 much. but, if they want to get peak performance out of it, then they better tighten up their branch prediction.
but heres the other thing. teraflops dont matter too greatly at the minute. its more general performance thats counted mostly.. (at the min, but as developers change their ways, they can take advantage of that). but having more threads for the 360 is obviously better. even if each core isnt that gud.
deep pipeline.. crap branch prediction...*tut tut* stupid microsoft. stupid sony 2... they shud no better.
o well. its the GPU's that matter for the games. as always.
check this bit from oofRome's link:
"What About Multithreading?
We of course asked the obvious question: would game developers rather have 3
slow general purpose cores, or one of those cores paired with an array of
specialized SPEs? The response was unanimous, everyone we have spoken to
would rather take the general purpose core approach."
that link OofRome is fantastic!! its all in my language. i understant everything and yes. microsoft are idiots and so are sony.
its also PROOF that the teraflops (of the PS3) doesnt matter AT ALL!
suck on that sour lolly pop all of you who thought they did matter. you should have listened to me earlier.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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20. April 2006 @ 06:59 |
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more magic information. proving that the flops and operations per sec numbers dont matter.
" Another way to look at this comparison of flops is to look at integer add
latencies on the Pentium 4 vs. the Athlon 64. The Pentium 4 has two double
pumped ALUs, each capable of performing two add operations per clock, that's
a total of 4 add operations per clock; so we could say that a 3.8GHz Pentium
4 can perform 15.2 billion operations per second. The Athlon 64 has three
ALUs each capable of executing an add every clock; so a 2.8GHz Athlon 64
can perform 8.4 billion operations per second. By this silly console
marketing logic, the Pentium 4 would be almost twice as fast as the Athlon
64, and a multi-core Pentium 4 would be faster than a multi-core Athlon 64.
Any AnandTech reader should know that's hardly the case. No code is
composed entirely of add instructions, and even if it were, eventually the
Pentium 4 and Athlon 64 will have to go out to main memory for data, and
when they do, the Athlon 64 has a much lower latency access to memory than
the P4. In the end, despite what these horribly concocted numbers may lead
you to believe, they say absolutely nothing about performance. The exact
same situation exists with the CPUs of the next-generation consoles; don't
fall for it."
*dont fall for it* - did you see that bit. all who doubted my info ages ago saying that they dont matter. well i told you i was right. hahaha. i love proving big heads wrong.
heres another bit. when on some other topic (cant remember which) i said microsoft used the xenon b/c of its small die size. and i said at the end, 'thats how power links into to marketing strategy'. you have to sacrifice sum to get anywhere, and this info proves it.
"We suspect that a big part of Microsoft's decision to go with the Xenon core
was because of its extremely small size. A smaller die means lower system
costs, and if Microsoft indeed launches the Xbox 360 at $299 the Xenon CPU
will be a big reason why that was made possible"
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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k so if they dont matter i could have a processor with 2 flops, and it could beat out the 360 or ps3's processor? right ok. yes it is a large pool of all the operations done, but operations are what make it go. i'd say give or take .25 tflops up or down i ncertain applications to show the realy power of either. im not saying he is wrong, but if the 2tflop cell is supposedly worse than a 1 tflop 360's core, then what are those extra calcs? plus, if the cells thru in extra calcs, whos to say the 360 didnt? i dont think you could throw in that many extra calcs for the cell to compare it to say the .75 accuall tflops from the 360.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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im a diehard 360 fan but i love sports games and they are killing me with the way they are taking classic titles like madden and ncca and stripping it donw to just an upgrade visually. I just read up on the new ncca 07 and they added one feature that wont be in the current for the 360 and excluded like 10 features or modes that will be in teh current gen. next gen should have more than just more visually. if the 360 keeps this up they might even lose me and all i do is sit here and praise them, so imagine what this type of nonsense will do to the fans who r on the fence. can anybody tell me if this crap will ever stop? is madden going to be a demo again next yr to? it had good graphics and fun exhibiton gameplay but everytihg else sucked. it seems the 360's titles are suffering the most except for fight night round 3
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i dont know how to edit a post but what i meant at the end was teh 360's sports titles are suffering outside of fn3.
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