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ultra_00
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2. April 2006 @ 18:14 |
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Its sad but true it appears people will never truly be able to come to terms with the truth, but the xbox360 whether people choose to believe it or not IS more powerful than the ps3 and my proof is the fact that the 360's videocard has a unified shader architecture what the hell does all this mean? Lets put it like this NVIDIA the company that made the videocard for the ps3 will be including a unified shader architecture on their 2006 lineup of videocards. A unified shader architecture has NEVER been used on a videocard ever, its new technology that no current computer videocard has and nvidia as well as ati (ones making videocard for the 360) will be releasing them next year.
A videocard without a unified shader can NOT compare to one that does... simple fact. The 360 gpu will be able to perform at 100% efficiency at all times because its unified shader and thx to the 10mb of edram included it'll be able to offer free antialiasing aka 4xaa at no performance loss whatsoever and the efficiency will be a constant 95-99% with 4xaa on.
There is nowhere you can get such a new technology videocard other than the xbox360 currently this technology wont touch the pc till next year. Now the ps3 gpu is a videocard that is slightly less powerful than a 7800gtx. Its bad enough a 7800gtx can't compare with a unfied shader video card and the ps3's gpu is less than that? Now I'm not trying to convince anyone to go out and get a ps3 over a 360 or a 360 over a ps3 because I could care less, but I thought people would want to know the truth of which is more powerful graphically.
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2492
Proof that a unified shader is the future and already in a 360 whereas nvidia wont have one available till 2006 and by no means will they waste all that money developing the videocard for the ps3 then change it.... So the more powerful videocard for the next gen consoles is in the xbox 360.
There are many other factors to consider overall performance, but for every advantage the ps3 has the 360 wins in other more virtal categories. I'll buy both as well as everyone else I'm sure, but it should be known that the ps3 is incapable of stomping the 360 graphically.
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mudearies
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2. April 2006 @ 22:06 |
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*quickly runs to store and buys xbox 360*.
the allmighty mudearies...
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2. April 2006 @ 22:29 |
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In this post you talk about 360s graphical capabilities. But my question is this,
Its a fact that the Xbox was a system with superior graphic capabilities. This didn't lead to it dominating the ps2. If 360 is graphically better than ps3. What makes you think this would make a difference?
Remember popeye always busted brunos ass.
You argument is pointless, its just talking about brawn.
not to mention there are 2 threads dedicated to this stopic already
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/269902 why you made a new thread with the exact same title when you could have posted your nonesense in a dedicated thread.
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rabbity
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8. April 2006 @ 16:19 |
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its not a simple as that, there are many more factors, that effect sales. firstly xbxo 360 and ps3 have very similar graphical power, but they have other different atributes, whcih make them desirable, such as blue ray or xbox live. also you say the xbox had better graphics then the ps2 but sold less, well that mainly b/c they ps2 came out a year before, it sold similar types of games, it was already well known from the ps1 and it had a larger games library.
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TruthMan
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9. April 2006 @ 15:16 |
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its not about which has better graphics (as its totally the games which affect that). its about which cards can render what (like if they have good HDR support), and about how powerful they are.
it seems 2 me. that if nvidia have admitted that they now are going the unified way, then that obviously showes that a unified shader architecture must be better, as companies are always trying to advance with their products.
that statement basically said (indrectly) that a unified shader architecture is better than a non-unified one, or else they wouldnt be doing it now.
and therefore the earlier statements by nvidia saying that it doesnt matter that the ATI chip is unified b/c it doesnt provide any benefits, are now contradicted by the very same company. which for me spells lies about nvidia and what they said. who knows now if they are being truthful. and how can we believe their past words now?? after that, about the RSX vs the xenon.
im not coming to any conclusions here, im just pointing out things that stand out now. and what things seem to be saying.
as for GPU's on the market at the moment. the X1900XTX (and the XT aswell) is faster than the new 7900GTX. as all non biased reviews have found out. and the custom PC magazine did aswell (if ur in UK and u read it, like i di - on subscription). the X1900 cards have 48 pipelines, compared to 7900's 24. so to have 48 of them unified.. (it must be very good). b/c of that. they can produce the cores with a lower clockspeed (because the 48 unified pipelines more than make up for it). and the benefits of having a lower clockspeed are less strain on the silicon, less heat and earier to produce chips. so you can save money and lots can be made faster for cheaper prices.
it all fits together nicely. its called marketing strategy. thats an example of how hardware can affect the market (a bit).
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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rabbity
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9. April 2006 @ 17:16 |
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the ps3 graphics card is basically a 7800gtx, and about nvidea saying that unified shader model did not count but now they are going to use it just shows that the ps3 will lack in that department, when it comes to games like project offset, you can see how much unifies shader helps them create a cinematic feel.
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TruthMan
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10. April 2006 @ 04:38 |
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god its been so long since ive talked about tech. (which is what im best at). i kinda missed it, lol.
yes u are rite in a way there rabbity. but dont let it get to your head. unified pipelines arnt true pipelines,. because obviously they can have both pixels and verticises done on them.
a direct pixel pipeline has faster pixels than a unified one when its doing pixels. (but only by a bit). same with verticies. but being able to do both on any of the pipes (and a huge 48 in total) makes it way better overall. a dam lot of flexibility there. as developers know how to utilise that card even more. we can expect 2 see some very fancy eye candy and effects come out in later games over the next few years. expecially as the games become multi-threaded aswell. to take advantage of the 360's other 2 cores. then brilliant physics effects can be added 2 the game. overall the future for the 360 looks very bright. because its probably the more flexible of the 2 consoles. (mainly b/c of the unified piplines)
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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rabbity
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10. April 2006 @ 05:17 |
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i have been reading a lot recently and everywhere i go, i hear that b/c of this unified shader, the xbox 360 will excel the ps3, maybe not at the start but one year after the ps3 has been out, the graphics of the xbox 360 would have surpassed it, well thats what i heard anyway, and it seems pretty obviouse condiering that nvidea is now using unified shader obviously means that it was better than what they were using before which is in the ps3.
but do not get me wrong the ps3 has some very good atributes aswell, like blue tooth and blue ray (which i personally this is not that great but the hype is carrying me in) also the physics of the ps3 is also better than the xbox 360.
i look forward to this years e3, only like 29 days, till i get to see so many good games for xbox 360.
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TruthMan
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10. April 2006 @ 05:20 |
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yes the PS3 does have a bit more physcis processing power. (but dont forget only 1 360 core is being used aswell, when all 3 are it will be really good). the 360 has the more flexible GPU thou. so it has a great future.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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rabbity
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10. April 2006 @ 05:22 |
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so when do you thin they will use all three, and are u sure they are not using all three now.
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TruthMan
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10. April 2006 @ 05:37 |
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no chance. the games at the minute are only single threaded. each core can have 2 threads on the 360. if a game for the has only 2 threads, it would likely use 1 thread on each core. instead of the second thread on the main core. same with 3 threads (all 3 cores used but only 1 thread on each).
it will prob not be until like 4 years till games start to have more than 4 threads. so maybe in 5 years there will be a few 6-way threaded games. then and only then can the 360 be unsed to its full potential.
thats why at the min its said that only 30% of the console is being used. because that is the case. its totally true.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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10. April 2006 @ 11:35 |
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I don't like these threads people so this thread is getting shut down at the first sign of unruliness.
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rabbity
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10. April 2006 @ 11:38 |
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ok, nephlin
i see what you mean truthman, so basically about three years from now, developers for the xbox 360 will be using all threads and also using the capablities of unified shader, therefore making brilliant games to come for many years. i also now know that all those sony fanboys that say the ps3 is a long term investment and that the xbox 360 is for now are just seeing nothinhg but e3 2005 speculation.
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10. April 2006 @ 13:10 |
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The title of this thread is 'xbox 360 vs PS3', a title thats hard to contemplate. ultra_00, you are too right, PS3 is the most powerful of the two, but at the same time you are wrong becuase this is not what the argument is about.
Like people have already said on this thread PS2 was considered the best console of last generation. So if you had a thread, 'PS2 vs Xbox', clearly PS2 is the winner, but Xbox was the most powerful. This is why your usumption of what console is the best, is wrong.
The best console would have to be defined as a console techologicaly advanced enough to please people, with the best and most games, and finaly has the most sales.
I have an Xbox 360, but I still say PS3 will win in terms of sales but unlike last time where PS2 sold over 100 million with Xbox around the 20 million, I believe the PS3 will be around the 70-80 million with Xbox 360 close behind at 60-70 million. More evidence to suggest this, is the recent news of Xbox 360 sales increasing over three times the amount in Japan this week becuase of the release of 'Rumble Roses xx'. When the good catalogue of Japanese games begin to come out for 360, like Nintey nine knights or blue dragon, then this figure will do nothing but increase.
Anyway I strongly believe (going by past history and the companies we are dealing with) this will be a close race between Xbox 360 and PS3 in terms of games and sales, and what ever the outcome is, at the end the consumer is the winner.
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rabbity
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10. April 2006 @ 14:10 |
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i agree with you there zelda about most thinsg you said, except for the point where you said the ps3 is more powerfull, if you read what i am truthman have been talking about you will understand what i mean (unified shader, 6 threads), i must admit that the ps3 has done well by getting both blue tooth and blue ray, but this is nothing that will engance graphics or gameplay.
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TruthMan
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12. April 2006 @ 06:31 |
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at the moment. the PS3 is more powerful but not by a huge deal. its manly b/c of its better physics power.and b/c we are in DirectX9 still, the RSX will be better for current gen games. the ATI card is better in the long run b/c increased number of pipelines are there for future proofing. future games will become more aritmatic based than they already are (GPU wise not CPU wise). and therefore uses mainly pipes over texture sampling, (texture sampling = ROPS) thats why current cards now are starting to have less ROPS and more pipelines. (e.g. X1900XTX is FAR more future proofed than 7900GTX and it even performs better with current games, so in the future the ATI cards are sure 2 excel even more). take this into account with the 360 and PS3. 48 unified pipes are excellent. currently thou games are only just starting to use more arithmatic power so taking addvantage of the Xenon is quite hard at the minute. hence why the RSX is currently more powerful with current gen stuff.
BUT* as games evolve and use more arithmatic processing, and as the developers evolve and can make use of the unified pipelines extremely well, the Xenon will eventually beat the RSX into the ground. that is how technology works.
plus as games become threaded the 360's processor will eventually sparkle. (the PS3 is better with single threaded and current gen games thou at the moment.) the 360 is more future proofed. so in about 2 years. the 360 will be more powerful than the PS3 most definately. (but who knows how fast the developers or the games will evolve) it cud be sooner or later?? who knows...
(This is about the power of the consoles only!, nothing to do with the marketing of the consoles, which zelda pin pointed exactly)
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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12. April 2006 @ 12:39 |
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lol I havnt ever read one of your posts when you put the rsx up-_-
Yea the dual processor thing, well triple in ths case, Currently the amd 64 beats the amd 64x2 because no games are multy threaded. Kinda like ps3 vs 360xD
It's funny that theres a new ps3 VS xbox360 after the old one is closed, GOSH. I predict this one will closed aswell, noone here can ever get along.
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rabbity
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12. April 2006 @ 13:17 |
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well i hope this one stays open just long enough to see through e3.
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12. April 2006 @ 14:28 |
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Play nice and it'll stay open indefinitely.
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TruthMan
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12. April 2006 @ 15:06 |
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play nice people.... neph, play 3 strikes. if sume punk comes in and says someat stupid, (who isnt a regular topic speaker) ignore it, but have 1 strike. 3 strikes = closed.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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rabbity
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12. April 2006 @ 15:20 |
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truthman can you send me your gamertag again, i forgot to add you to xbl last time.
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TruthMan
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12. April 2006 @ 15:49 |
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HuNtOziO
thats my gamertag. i need 2 renew myself 2 gold. but i cant be bothered yet.
p.s. has anyone read my 'First likely game difference for 360 vs PS3 topic yet.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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rabbity
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12. April 2006 @ 17:46 |
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no, but i will.
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12. April 2006 @ 19:45 |
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Maybe after a couple of years... maybe, that the 360 might reach the PS3 in sales but only in the US(counting the whole year 360 was out b4 the PS3).Its unlikely that the 360 would even come near the PS3 world wide as how xbox compared to PS2. It might seem like it is now as in Zelda's stats of 360 tripple in sales in Japan.
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I believe the PS3 will be around the 70-80 million with Xbox 360 close behind at 60-70 million. More evidence to suggest this, is the recent news of Xbox 360 sales increasing over three times the amount in Japan this week becuase of the release of 'Rumble Roses xx'.
Thats cuz only the 360 is available and there is no PS3 to get in its way. You know an american based console will never win over anything asian like Sony and Nintendo...never. 360 better soak up all the attention it can now cuz time is running out.
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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TruthMan
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13. April 2006 @ 01:47 |
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i think judging something by where it comes from is stupid.
xbox = american
nvidia = japanese
sony = japanese
ATI = canadian.
a canadian company is currently beating a japanese company i the GPU war. so you can't base anything on which country they come from, b/c it simply doesnt matter. but i do know that asians always like their own stuff a bit more, which i think is pretty stupid, because great things come from everywhere.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
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