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14. April 2009 @ 13:31 |
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No, it's more obvious than that, an 8-letter word beginning with d in the first line of your last post.
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haskins69
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14. April 2009 @ 13:45 |
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OK sammy missed that one but fixed it now but again I never called anyone here that just the rich in general and that's a subject that I could go on about for day's in it's self but this is not the forum for that
also some one said that the i7 was for enthuisiste not nomal computer people
to me enthuisiest are overclockers and isn't this the overclocking thread ?
if not then I'm in the wrong spot , sorry
but since this is overclocking thread then I'm right on target
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14. April 2009 @ 13:47 |
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Not the point, still swearing, and still inappropriate for younger users to see, and against forum rules.
Any tech can be discussed in the Overclocking thread. It's still valid to criticise a technology for being out of reach of most people though, even if it's overclock-friendly. However, I agree, there's no real need for the slamming of either side. I just like to correct false facts, which a lot of Russ' info, atleast on the i7 if not anything else is, mostly pertaining to poor sales and future prospects.
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14. April 2009 @ 13:52 |
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haskins69
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14. April 2009 @ 15:20 |
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removed the word in question so no trouble [in my opionion ] and that's my whole point if they are gonna list AMD as being as good as intel then put a 3.0 Ghz against a 3.0 Ghz and then call the race not a 2.66Ghz against a 3.0Ghz and claim your 3.0Ghz is better because that's a no brainer
how would they feel if I ran a 3.0 Ghz intel against a 2.66 Ghz AMD and I then called the intel better they would crawl up my *** over the un-even test
and that's all I'm doing to them
if fair is fair then they should live by it also
and they should just accept that AMD's best still run's in about 7th place compared to the top 7 intel chip's
no arguement , no lying and not rigging the test to get the out come you want
just basic truth and fact's
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14. April 2009 @ 15:23 |
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Forget clock speed. It's all about performance for price. Right now AMD still don't win that, but they aren't very far behind at all, it's hadly that Intel smash AMD. The big thing is that Intel do actually offer something to those who can spend more than £190. Almost every system I've built has budgeted £250 for the CPU, and the same goes for a lot of others. The Q9550 and i7 920 fit that (just) and that's a big leap over Intel.
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haskins69
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14. April 2009 @ 15:50 |
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I got a 3.0Ghz c2d [e6850] and I wish I had the money for a i7 but don't at this time
but if I was gonna build a new rig I would save up and buy a i7 [motherboard and ram included of course] because that's the way thing's are headed and if I'm going to invest in a new rig I'd want the out put to be justified by the ablity to up grade later if I got more money later
and well while qx977o is a good cpu why buy it at it's cost when you could buy a i7 for less [even the 965] and why buy a AMD at all since it's basicly obsolete [ and so is the 775 socket intels] as far as upgrades go simply if AMD creates a better chip it to will most likely also require a new motherboard and ram since to do what the i7 does you need faster ram and better designed motherboards
actualy I'm suprized the qx9770 is still so high priced [ $1499.00 ]since the i7-965 beat's it hands down and is cheaper [$999.99 ] , but still if I was gonna run it I would have a DDR-3 board for it also
and to upgrade from there to a i7 would only require the cpu and motherboard then at first [ of course you'd upgrade to faster and matched DDR-3 later]
but even then these people miss lead you into thinking it would cost so much to upgrade the ASUS P6T is only $239.00 and you can get a EVGA for $254.00 now of course you can spend more the EVGA classified is $458.00 and I would buy it if I had the money but why if you can't afford it and there are so many good boards between $200.00-$300.00 price range
My striker II formula was $400.00 when it first came out I didn't see any one complain about it being to good[ it isn't matter of fact I wish I'd of got a EVGA ] and costing to much those who could afford it bought it those that couldn't didn't but price didn't shelve it.........LOL
and mark my words the socket 775's and all AMD's are going to go the way of the single core cpu's it's just a matter of time technology alway's goes forwards not backwards
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14. April 2009 @ 16:23 |
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The E6850 is an older CPU, but it's still surprisingly capable. It beats every Dual core AMD currently has to offer, and it even beats The Phenom X3 8205,8400,8450,8600 and 8650 at pretty much anything arithmetic, taking on the 8750 in certain things. It can only outpace the 9100 and 9150 X4s, but can occasionally give the 9350 a run for its money. Of course, on a per-core basis it's faster than any AMD CPU regardless, that's perhaps what it is you were trying to say earlir.
Agreed on the i7, If I were to build a new rig nowadays it'd be an i7, and a friend of mine (who before I'm asked is not rich, but wants a decent new PC) asked for a build and I spec'ed him an i7.
The QX9770 is a bit of an enigma really, I'm not entirely sure of its purpose. Before the i7s came out it was the no holds barred extreme CPU, but it's now a bit of a dinosaur in that regard.
Why would you buy the EVGA Classified at twice the price? What else does it give you? I can't see any advantages at all.
Please don't tell me you think the Striker II Formula was good!
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14. April 2009 @ 16:59 |
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no like all 780i's it's junk high priced junk I should of gone with a intel chip set but at the time intel chips wouldn't do 3x sli and while I still can't afford 3x sli cards and since 2x would be the best [2x- GTX 295] it kinda a moot point
and yes I know it's a good cpu [e6850] but like most dreamers I would like better stronger and faster [kinda like the six million dollar man ] and untill the new 8+core or intigrated GPU -cpu's come out the i7 has it of course being poor I would only be able to get the i7-940 at best since I would have to buy ram and motherboard to upgrade from here unless I hit the lottery a i7-965 would be out
and why the classifed , well if your gonna buy a corrvett motor you don't put it in a MG midget [ well maybe you would but that's a monster of a different color] no I would like a classifed because of all the options it offers hopefully they would help extend the life of my investment though the overclocking and upgradeablity
but to me the mother board is the base of it all if you got a good or great one you can alway's change cpu's for the faster later and you can upgrade the Ram as needed later
and one last note I was able to get my E6850 to 3.82Ghz with little or no trouble or changes other than Mhz so while I have had trouble with the Striker series [5 striker extremes and 4 Striker II formulas in a year and a half] with zero overclocking till the last one [ I figured if it was gonna fail I may as well have fun]
this one run's 20 degree cooler than last not sure if it's the design or the newer bios but it is cooler running and seems more stable so maybe after a year of mess up's they got it closer to right
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14. April 2009 @ 17:09 |
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Phew, good to know.
Intel Chips still can't do triple SLI on their own without the GT200 chip I believe, which means you're still open to the nforce related badness. Skulltrail was the only independent triple-SLI system I believe. This said, as you say, a pair of GTX295s do do well, but for the absolute best, a trio of GTX280s or GTX285s would do better, as they have enough RAM to run at higher detail settings. The HD4870X2 Quad crossfire system is a lot more Intel friendly, and performs very well lower down, and the best of all when the going really gets tough due to ATI's better memory management.
So a normal i7 board is an MG Midget? perhaps if there was a P31-ES3G that fit i7s. Ultimately you're talking the same thing. The EVGA board gives you nothing extra a board half the price offers. The best overclocking boards are Asuses, and the much cheaper Biostar isn't far behind. It's all moot for the top end boards as the EX58-Extreme and UD5 can do as well as the best of them for much less. Asus and EVGA just make top end expensive boards to get more money from people who think they'll get something better. The fact is, with i7 at least, it's all a big con.
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14. April 2009 @ 17:16 |
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your most likely right , it's all just bragging right's I guess and the EVGA Classifed like my striker II formula even when broke they sure are pretty ...........LMAO ...if it wasn't so sadly true
but to be fair the claims and post I've read claim the "Classifed" is suppose to be good enough to be able to set new records with the 920 , haven't read any yet but that's the claim
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14. April 2009 @ 19:19 |
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Well let's see some before I tell people to spend what could upgrade them to an i7 940 shall we? :P
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14. April 2009 @ 19:57 |
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I'll look into it so and see what i can find
but of ourse if anyone could afford the i7-940 then by all means I'd go for it , of course if I could I'd get the i7-965 to but that's just me I would want the bragging right's and the extra power/speed
Oh and about that Striker II formula I'm running I'll say this when /since it's running it does run well very well my only problem after going though 9 ASUS strikers , is for how long??
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14. April 2009 @ 20:06 |
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How much of a performance increase does Kentsfield give over Conroe?
I know this topic has been discussed over and over again, I just want to know how today's software uses the 4 cores of the Kentsfield vs. the 2 of the Conroe.
Software such as Vista (with the new SP and everything).
-im1992
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14. April 2009 @ 21:29 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Not the point, still swearing, and still inappropriate for younger users to see, and against forum rules.
Any tech can be discussed in the Overclocking thread. It's still valid to criticise a technology for being out of reach of most people though, even if it's overclock-friendly. However, I agree, there's no real need for the slamming of either side. I just like to correct false facts, which a lot of Russ' info, atleast on the i7 if not anything else is, mostly pertaining to poor sales and future prospects.
Sam,
Here's the information I quoted about the sales of the Core i7
http://www.canardpc.com/statscpuz-cpu-en.html
Best Regards,
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14. April 2009 @ 21:48 |
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chart's shows top AMD and core i7 sales are rising
all others are dropping that's no suprize
also shows intel has about 70% of all sales
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15. April 2009 @ 06:37 |
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So i7 is at 10% of Intel's sales and rising. Seems about right.
Athlon XP (I didn't even know they still made those): 0.066*0.3 = 2%
Pentium D: 0.033*0.7 = 2.31%
Athlon 64: 0.11*0.3 = 3.3%
Celeron: 0.1*0.7 = 7%
Core i7: 0.102*0.7 = 7.14%
Phenom: 0.349*0.3 = 10.47%
Athlon X2: 0.475*0.3 = 14.25%
Core 2 Quad: 0.206*0.7 = 14.42%
Core 2 Duo: 0.42*0.7 = 29.4%
So basically, all the old dinosaurs comprise less than 15% of the market between them. All the Phenoms AMD sell, from the cheapest Tri-cores to the high end Phenom IIs, a wide market spectrum, cover only 47% more sales than i7 which is marketed solely as a top-end product. I think i7 is doing rather well so far.
Meanwhile Core 2 Quads which cover the spectrum that Phenoms do, and a little more on top, are ahead of the Phenoms by 38%.
In the Dual core race, the Core 2 Duos more than double the sale of the Phenoms.
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19. April 2009 @ 05:12 |
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You know...if I didn't know any better, I'd say that windows 7 were picky about OC'ing! It seems like I read something similar about Vista and OC'ing. Perhaps there's some merit there huh?
I cant seem to get anything above 3.5 stable in windows 7!!! I tried a voltage bump. I tried bumping the FSB instead of the multi, and it seemed more stable, without the voltage increase. In one instance, Black screen, in all other instances, BSOD. I guess tomorrow I can try increasing the RAM Voltage huh? But I dont think that would have anything to do with it. I had the voltage up to 1.425 before I became frustrated. I played with HT, FSB, multi. Perhaps a clear head in the morning :) Perhaps the CPU heard me speaking of the 1066 Ram ehh LOL!
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19. April 2009 @ 05:45 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
You know...if I didn't know any better, I'd say that windows 7 were picky about OC'ing! It seems like I read something similar about Vista and OC'ing. Perhaps there's some merit there huh?
I cant seem to get anything above 3.5 stable in windows 7!!! I tried a voltage bump. I tried bumping the FSB instead of the multi, and it seemed more stable, without the voltage increase. In one instance, Black screen, in all other instances, BSOD. I guess tomorrow I can try increasing the RAM Voltage huh? But I dont think that would have anything to do with it. I had the voltage up to 1.425 before I became frustrated. I played with HT, FSB, multi. Perhaps a clear head in the morning :) Perhaps the CPU heard me speaking of the 1066 Ram ehh LOL!
Oman7,
I doubt that the memory voltage is a factor at the moment, depending on what it's clock speed is. That's another reason I like 1066 Ram in it. It runs at 1066, but you can use the next multi down 4.00 and you would have no worries about the memory voltage. I sure wouldn't bump the memory voltage more than 0.1v. I know that doesn't sound like very much, but DocTY told me a long time ago that I could raise it to 2.30v from a stock 2.10v, but he wouldn't recommend it! Considering Memory's his thing, and he does like to play with the memory settings, I'll take his advice, and I strongly suggest you do too!
Best Regards,
Russ
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Vista and Win7 are a little more sensitive than XP, but I tend to find the sticking point is the Green bar. In XP you would usually get a crash if you were going to get one during the first 5 minutes of using the OS after you'd booted.
Russ: What do you mean about 1.4V from 1.2V for RAM? Only DDR3 uses such a low voltage, and even then I thought it started at at least 1.3-1.4.
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19. April 2009 @ 11:12 |
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Sam
I think he forgot to put a 2 where the first digit is. He probably means 2.2-2.4. I have my Corsair 1066 RAM hitting almost 1100 Mhz with 2.1V.
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Makes sense, but even 2.2V is on the high side for DDR2. I usually use 2.15V, which is still 0.25V above default.
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19. April 2009 @ 12:22 |
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i ahev gone to 2.3v for months without a problem
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19. April 2009 @ 12:29 |
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It really depends on the 1066 DDR 2 RAM. I like to stick close to the Corsair recommendation of 2.1. I just checked and my current setting is 2.12V. The RAM guy however often recommends up to 2.2V which I think is pushing the envelope for longevity and setting it to 2.4V is early RAM suicide. Also at 2.12 I don't require the Dominator fan setup which gets in the way and can be irritating if one is inside their case a lot. The setup is pretty much the same for both the Q9650 and Q9550 systems.
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19. April 2009 @ 12:35 |
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Currently at 2.15V (enough for Asus to give me an orange LED on the board instead of green), miles away from needing the Dominator module, I probed the RAM at 39ºC.
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