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25. April 2009 @ 23:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
this is the EXACT model number:
BFGEGTX260MC896OCBE
All I can find for BFG is a 55nm GPU. So XFX and others may be the only manufacturers to deploy a 65nm?

Oman7,
BFG has at least 3 that I know of. I was on their product page just before I posted the question. I'll check it out! BRB!!
EDIT If it says Maxcore 55 on the cooler housing cover on the card, it's 55nm. The rest are 65nm!

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"@bios" is having trouble finding an update for the bios, but one was released recently! See...I noticed the last few times I was in the bios, that EPP was disabled! I'd like to know why that is. I downloaded the update, but its extension is (.F4) is that gonna be ok? I would think it would want ONLY .bin files. Or maybe even .Dat! The file size of the .F4 is EXACTLY the same size of the old bios .bin file. Could changing the extension work, or should I even worry about it? Have I mentioned before that flashing makes me extremely nervous LOL! LOL! :P

Im sorry man! The box says Maxcore 55! I swear I dont know how I missed that before LOL! I hope that doesnt upset you.

So it would appear that Gpuz is correct in this case, and everest is wrong. Hmm...it may pay to find an updated everest!

Ok, Everest 5.01.1700 reports the proper 55nm technology :D :D



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Originally posted by omegaman7:
"@bios" is having trouble finding an update for the bios, but one was released recently! See...I noticed the last few times I was in the bios, that EPP was disabled! I'd like to know why that is. I downloaded the update, but its extension is (.F4) is that gonna be ok? I would think it would want ONLY .bin files. Or maybe even .Dat! The file size of the .F4 is EXACTLY the same size of the old bios .bin file. Could changing the extension work, or should I even worry about it? Have I mentioned before that flashing makes me extremely nervous LOL! LOL! :P

Im sorry man! The box says Maxcore 55! I swear I dont know how I missed that before LOL! I hope that doesnt upset you.

So it would appear that Gpuz is correct in this case, and everest is wrong. Hmm...it may pay to find an updated everest!

Ok, Everest 5.01.1700 reports the proper 55nm technology :D :D

Oman7,
You can only enable EPP, if it's EPP memory! Most memory isn't EPP! I always do my flashing from the bios. I usually download the new bios to the C drive first. then re-boot and enter the setup, click F8, and follow the instructions! Very simple!

Why on Earth would I get upset! LOL!! Now, missing it on the Cooler cover, that's a different story! GRRRRRRRRR! ROFLMSOAO!!

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Actually, I didnt look at the cooler cover. I looked at the box first and was satisfied. No doubt it is on the cooler.



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Russ,
The thing is, I dont believe there was EPP before the mushkin. Just its disabled ability was not there before the mushkin! Any thoughts?
Basically, I didnt even know what EPP was until I installed the Mushkin!



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Lol 4 watts difference? Who knows, maybe it would push a PSU over the edge, but frankly, the 55nm architecture is actually less efficient than the old 65nm by a long way (due to idle consumption). Not sure why that is.
Omegaman: Gigabyte BIOSes use a file extension the same as their revision. The F1 bios is a .F1 file. The F2 bios is a .F2 file, and so on.




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btw GPUz is a very very good tool that is also used to find out about a GPUs inners when roumers are flying before the facts are given. i would trust it very much :)



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Lol 4 watts difference? Who knows, maybe it would push a PSU over the edge, but frankly, the 55nm architecture is actually less efficient than the old 65nm by a long way (due to idle consumption). Not sure why that is.
Omegaman: Gigabyte BIOSes use a file extension the same as their revision. The F1 bios is a .F1 file. The F2 bios is a .F2 file, and so on.

Thanks buddy. I had a feeling, but I wanted to be absolutely sure. I dont like messing around with flashing LOL!



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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Russ,
The thing is, I dont believe there was EPP before the mushkin. Just its disabled ability was not there before the mushkin! Any thoughts?
Basically, I didnt even know what EPP was until I installed the Mushkin!

Oman7,
Actually it was corsair who was the first to come out with EPP memory, way back in May of 2006. It was a collaborative effort, mainly between Corsair and nVidia to develop it. OCZ was next to come out with it. The motherboard has to be designed for it, so it doesn't work in just any motherboard. I would suspect that you might only find the spec available in nVidia chipped motherboards, although I'm not 100% certain on that.

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I realize that the "P3 Killa A Watt" is not perfect. I use it as a guideline. So please don't tell me its inaccurate. But it is, how I came to the following conclusions. My MSI build, never exceeded 210W even under high load.



The following were done at 3.25Ghz No Vcore bump (1.35V)

180W idle

252W Prime 95 (72W jump from idle)

300-315W average GTA IV. 330W peak (intense action scenes)

The following is after .05 Vcore bump 3.5GHz (1.4V)

186W idle

272W Prime 95 (86W jump from idle) 20W high load jump

325-330W average GTA IV. 350W peak (intense action scenes)

The Following is Running at 3.7Ghz (1.45V) During stress tests, the supply never exceeded 2.6Amp draw

198W idle (203W @ 1.475V)

290W Prime 95 (305W @ 1.475) Both tests, computer restarted. 1.45V setting restarted MUCH quicker. 1.475 lasted 3Min

345W average GTA IV 360W peak peak!

MY PSU LOCATED HERE http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341002
I've noticed that my PSU, is definitely inconsistent!!! The Overclock is MIRACULOUSLY/SPONTANEOUSLY better this time around. I have no explanation for it! Except that, maybe, my temperature sensor is sooo off, im not seeing a VERY bad temperature. The only way to know for certain, is to get a HIGHLY recommended PSU, and continue my testing then.

EDIT - Ive heard its possible to Fry/over work one rail, while the others are fine. Perhaps thats whats going on here. My CPU 8pin Rail is overworked/flawed somehow!



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Unless you run a really imbalanced system, such as 20 HDDs and no other components, or two CPUs running off the same connector (and if you do that, expect fire), or loads of GPUs being powered by Molex->6 pin adapters, you can't cause any issues with a multi-rail PSU unless it's rails are less than 15A. The crappy Coolermaster ones with 13A rails may potentially cause you issues, but ultimately, the only way of exceeding a PSU's output is exceeding its TOTAL output, usually on the 12V side (Though DFI boards often cause problems for older PSUs with smaller 5V rails as they use tonnes of startup power on the 5V rail, I don't know if they still do).
Ultimately, if ALL of your power usage was on the 12V, you'd probably be using about 23A in GTA4 maxed out. Realistically, you're probably using somewhere around 17-20, and it sure as hell won't all be coming from the same rail.



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So, your thinking that my PSU should be running fine. Im wondering myself. I haven't tried adjusting northbridge frequency or voltage. after visiting toms hardware, I believe I may be underestimating the PSU at least a little. Basically, ive only seen my 12V value drop to as little as 11.86, and during toms hardware testing, their guideline is 11.4 - 12.6! Now, im sure my PSU would never survive running at that low a figure for long, but it does tell me that my PSU is really not THAT stressed. And heck, like ive said, its always blowing cool air out of it. I suppose that doesn't mean much though LOL!



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I can't discount it. Instability at 300W is unusually poor even for an OCZ though.



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Heh, why go to all that cooling effort then still use a 120mm fan? Nexus have shown that an efficient PSU can deliver a high wattage without needing a remotely fast fan.



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because its 4 years old?



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I didn't actually spot that... lol. Still though, so is a Silverstone fanless 350W.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Unless you run a really imbalanced system, such as 20 HDDs and no other components, or two CPUs running off the same connector (and if you do that, expect fire), or loads of GPUs being powered by Molex->6 pin adapters, you can't cause any issues with a multi-rail PSU unless it's rails are less than 15A. The crappy Coolermaster ones with 13A rails may potentially cause you issues, but ultimately, the only way of exceeding a PSU's output is exceeding its TOTAL output, usually on the 12V side (Though DFI boards often cause problems for older PSUs with smaller 5V rails as they use tonnes of startup power on the 5V rail, I don't know if they still do).
Ultimately, if ALL of your power usage was on the 12V, you'd probably be using about 23A in GTA4 maxed out. Realistically, you're probably using somewhere around 17-20, and it sure as hell won't all be coming from the same rail.

Sam,
You may be thinking of a different brand, as CoolerMaster doesn't make any PSU with less than 15A rails, and they only have one of those, a 350w PSU that they put in a COOLER MASTER Elite RC-330-KKR1 case w/PSU. They don't sell them separately. I guess they put the 350 & 390w in inexpensive cases, as they no longer manufacture them at all! Both the 460w and the 500w PSU's I had with my AMD build had 2 18A rails.

460w Max combined power: 401w



500w Max combined power: 431w



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My mistake, it was the Thermaltake. I just use CM and Tt interchangeably in the low end PSU market for the reasons we discussed. Also, it's 312W not 431W, i.e. 26A. Note that proclaims it's a 460W. My 430W Nexus has 33A combined on the 12V rail, because unlike the Coolermaster 460, it will make 430W.




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I almost miss my Thermaltake! I offed it to my brothers computer, when he needed a PSU, and I needed a beefier one LOL! It handled everything I threw at it without hiccup. I may buy Thermaltake again one day. I dont know now though. I hear too many good things about Corsair, and PC power & cooling.



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Depends which Thermaltake. The older basic ones were very poor, the recent ones are better but still mediocre, the Toughpowers are excellent, but that's because they use CWT OEMs, the same as the Corsair TX units, but they're much louder as Thermaltake used a very aggressive fan controller.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Depends which Thermaltake. The older basic ones were very poor, the recent ones are better but still mediocre, the Toughpowers are excellent, but that's because they use CWT OEMs, the same as the Corsair TX units, but they're much louder as Thermaltake used a very aggressive fan controller.
LOL, I suppose they better be with a name like that :D
This is my old one here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153023
Price is looking pretty good! Sorry about some peoples luck, but it worked SUPER for me!



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Depends which Thermaltake. The older basic ones were very poor, the recent ones are better but still mediocre, the Toughpowers are excellent, but that's because they use CWT OEMs, the same as the Corsair TX units, but they're much louder as Thermaltake used a very aggressive fan controller.

Sam,
I know that the first Thermaltake W0093RU 500W ATX 12V Passive PFC I bought was abnormally loud, mainly because of that piece of Lexan plastic, that blocked about 1/3 of the fan. One of those brilliant ideas, that didn't quite work that good in the real world! LOL!! The Version 2.0, that replaced it is still super quiet, after 3 years of hard use. A little low on the 2 12v rails at 14 & 15A, but it does run cool and quiet, especially since there's no AC. In the summer when it's 110F+ outside, it's about 85F/34C in the front of the house, and the CPU almost never get's over 37-38C. Right now it's 84F/28C in there, and it's running at 32-33C and has been on since about 8 AM (2:35 PM now)! Both it and the CM in mine are always very quiet. When I get a Phenom II for it, I'll change to a better, higher wattage PSU though! LOL!!
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Also, it's 312W not 431W, i.e. 26A. Note that proclaims it's a 460W. My 430W Nexus has 33A combined on the 12V rail, because unlike the Coolermaster 460, it will make 430W.

I'm not sure I understand how you came up with those figures? for the CMs. Unless the Nexus is under-rated to begin with, I see no way that it can handle a 430w load, with a maximum theoretical capacity of 430w!

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There's nothing wrong with the PSU per se, but it's really a 250W PSU with a 430W label slapped on it.
Russ: The Nexus handled a 430W stress test admirably, because it's a genuine 430W PSU. The actual max output of that CM460 is 2/3 of the Nexus by specs.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
There's nothing wrong with the PSU per se, but it's really a 250W PSU with a 430W label slapped on it.
Russ: The Nexus handled a 430W stress test admirably, because it's a genuine 430W PSU. The actual max output of that CM460 is 2/3 of the Nexus by specs.

Sam,
What I'm asking is how you came up with that 250w figure! I don't agree at all with your findings on the Nexus, because in order to do that it would have to be 100% efficient, and that's just not possible, unless in reality the PSU is able to produce more than 430w with no appreciable load on it!

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