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BIFF0
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15. February 2010 @ 21:21 |
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Just trying to help you. I'll stop wasting my time now.
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15. February 2010 @ 22:35 |
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Originally posted by BIFF0:
Originally posted by Nephilim:
On a rational and logical note, it looks good that very soon Arizona will make it legal to carry concealed with no concealed carry permit required and university professors will be able to carry fireams on campus! Thank you very much! Think twice about a school shooting like Virginia Tech, we'll shoot your sorry ass here. Glad I live in a state that still has guts and sense for reasonable gun laws. Come on liberals, lets take bets! Whatta ya bet, ye misguided pansies, that if Arizona allows not only unrestricted concealed carry but Wild Bill Hickockesque packin' professors we're gonna turn into a modern day OK Corral?
Originally posted by BIFF0:
I think it would be better if that Virgina Tech nut couldn't get a gun then after shooting some people a professor wastes him. And what if the professor loses it?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo...077.ece
ROFL... Are you serious linking to something as NUTTY as that woman and what she did?? Supposedly she should have been in jail and has been linked to "other criminal" activities other than killing her colleagues... She shouldn't even have had a gun in her possession let along carry the thing onto campus.. this lends credence to the belief that you CAN'T keep a weapon out of a criminal's hand... Just think about those that are truly out to do you harm... LOL. Like she didn't do that to some fine folks I'm sure..
Also I'm pretty sure she was a Democrat or at least a liberal which makes her one of YOU!!! So you have been trying to let us know that we should be protecting ourselves from YOU and YOUR kind... As I see it there are "bad" people in all walks of life... Liberals, Conservatives, Dems, Repubs, Indies, and so on.
Originally posted by BIFFO:
Just trying to help you. I'll stop wasting my time now.
You are correct as there is NO way you are gonna convince me or the others I'm sure that we should give up our 2nd Amendment rights!!!
Thanks for your "opposing" views but I do believe your time has been wasted!!!
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15. February 2010 @ 23:34 |
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I think Biffo should meet Auslander!!! That would go well.
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16. February 2010 @ 00:18 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
I think Biffo should meet Auslander!!! That would go well.
You're kidding right??? ROFL
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16. February 2010 @ 00:59 |
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well yeah, but would be good fun. Happy Mardi Gras, guys and dolls. No work tomorrow!
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16. February 2010 @ 14:35 |
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And what if the professor loses it?
And what if you lose it good sir?
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16. February 2010 @ 15:34 |
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Originally posted by Nephilim:
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And what if the professor loses it?
And what if you lose it good sir?
I wonder if Mr. BIFFO unsubscribed from this thread?
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16. February 2010 @ 15:36 |
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ELLO Nephy!! Hope all is going well for you and yours. ;)
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16. February 2010 @ 17:12 |
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Yo Neph, long time no see buddy
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The IFPI Are: The same anti consumer lot as listed above!
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16. February 2010 @ 18:57 |
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Originally posted by Nephilim:
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And what if the professor loses it?
And what if you lose it good sir?
Then maybe I shout and yell, worst case I start throwing punches but I don't shoot people because I don't have a gun and if I had my way neither would that women and three innocent people would be alive.
Do you guys think this post is to long to be a sig.
I mean it is the post that defeated your leader.
Originally posted by BIFF0:
Originally posted by Nephilim:
On a rational and logical note, it looks good that very soon Arizona will make it legal to carry concealed with no concealed carry permit required and university professors will be able to carry fireams on campus! Thank you very much! Think twice about a school shooting like Virginia Tech, we'll shoot your sorry ass here. Glad I live in a state that still has guts and sense for reasonable gun laws. Come on liberals, lets take bets! Whatta ya bet, ye misguided pansies, that if Arizona allows not only unrestricted concealed carry but Wild Bill Hickockesque packin' professors we're gonna turn into a modern day OK Corral?
Originally posted by BIFF0:
I think it would be better if that Virgina Tech nut couldn't get a gun then after shooting some people a professor wastes him. And what if the professor loses it?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo...077.ece
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16. February 2010 @ 20:30 |
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Biffo:Then maybe I shout and yell, worst case I start throwing punches but I don't shoot people because I don't have a gun and if I had my way neither would that women and three innocent people would be alive.
so you start throwing punches at people, someone is just going to pull out their gun and kill your a$$ for threatening behavior. And perhaps if one of the dead professors at Huntsville had a weapon on them, only one or two persons would have been injured. And the bitch from Hell would be dead and no wasting tax payers' money for a trial.
BTW The woman would have found a way to get a gun. Your philosophy seems to be only the bad people need to have guns. I hope you live in a nice safe area, if there are any of those left in this country.
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17. February 2010 @ 00:25 |
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Neph:And what if you lose it good sir?
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Biffo:Then maybe I shout and yell, worst case I start throwing punches but I don't shoot people because I don't have a gun and if I had my way neither would that women and three innocent people would be alive.
Originally posted by garmoon:
so you start throwing punches at people, someone is just going to pull out their gun and kill your a$$ for threatening behavior.
You guys keep making my point for me. Thank you.
Someone who throws a punch does not deserve to be shot and killed. But that's what can happen when anyone can carry a gun.
Also if someone throws a punch and a guy shoots him. He should have Bitch tatooed on his forehead. If someone throws a punch just throw one back harder. That is what men do ladies.
Originally posted by garmoon:
BTW The woman would have found a way to get a gun. Your philosophy seems to be only the bad people need to have guns.
I hope you live in a nice safe area, if there are any of those left in this country.
Again showing your fear. This is why you need a gun. Danger everywhere arrrgggghhhhhh. Please tell me who is out to get you.
Osama Bin Laden??? You ladies and your fear of the world sure make me laugh.
BOO
and your all gone running for your guns.
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17. February 2010 @ 01:33 |
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Originally posted by BIFF0:
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Neph:And what if you lose it good sir?
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Biffo:Then maybe I shout and yell, worst case I start throwing punches but I don't shoot people because I don't have a gun and if I had my way neither would that women and three innocent people would be alive.
Originally posted by garmoon:
so you start throwing punches at people, someone is just going to pull out their gun and kill your a$$ for threatening behavior.
You guys keep making my point for me. Thank you.
Someone who throws a punch does not deserve to be shot and killed. But that's what can happen when anyone can carry a gun.
Also if someone throws a punch and a guy shoots him. He should have Bitch tatooed on his forehead. If someone throws a punch just throw one back harder. That is what men do ladies.
Originally posted by garmoon:
BTW The woman would have found a way to get a gun. Your philosophy seems to be only the bad people need to have guns.
I hope you live in a nice safe area, if there are any of those left in this country.
Again showing your fear. This is why you need a gun. Danger everywhere arrrgggghhhhhh. Please tell me who is out to get you.
Osama Bin Laden??? You ladies and your fear of the world sure make me laugh.
BOO
and your all gone running for your guns.
hahaha
You are a silly little man. :)
We haven't made a point for you yet... well expect the fact that your logic is so flawed it's NOT even logic.
The POINT is if a bad person (in this case a CRAZY Phd carrying teacher) has a gun and a good person has a gun at least the good person has a chance... NOW if said CRAZY person just starts "yelling and throwing punches" then said person is either gonna take an azz whippin or be looked at like you're a MORON... More than likely the 2nd option... on the other hand if said "CRAZY" person endangers someone's life that has an issue defending themselves; say grandma or a child then that person definitely needs at minimum an azz whippin or if in extreme cases a small lead projectile to break their epidermis to rid the "weak" of said criminal or crazy person. :)
You sir are living in fear of guns.... NOT the person that carries them... or even worse the "crazed individuals" you so connect yourself with... of course I'm assuming you're a liberal, democrat, socialist, or communist.... of course allowing you to have your rights to those choices... but DON'T make choices for me or those that feel we have the God given right to bear arms or protect ourselves from enemies foreign and domestic with said arms.
I for one don't carry a gun, don't need to as I try to avoid "truly bad" areas in my town.. it doesn't mean that some lunatic isn't going to try to attack me on the street but I do follow the law... as do most gun owners if they don't have a CHL... they don't tote it around. ;)
NOW with that said... I've had my house broken into twice and my car or a friend's car broken into 2-3 times in front of my house... it makes you thank twice about owning firearms, especially if you have children.. SAFETY first of course... but it's very difficult to fight someone with a gun if all you have is a bat or knife.. you'll loose about 95% of the time I'm sure... NOT making a point for you at all... remember if we do away with guns??? It only takes them away from the law abiding citizens... just look at the UK.. there are still murders over there (i live in the states) because the criminal doesn't give 2 craps about the law... the bad person (criminal) will always get something they shouldn't.. whether it's guns, drugs, or other illegal material.
BIFFO it boils down to this... if you don't like something then don't do it or use it... DON'T force everyone else to follow your "demands" because you feel it's what you believe!!!
This is a generalized view, but hopelessly accurate... Remember this: There are liberal and conservative Democrats, Republicans and Independents. It's not the party, it's the mindset; however, it is a fact that the Democrats have the majority of the liberals.
If a conservative doesn't like guns , they don't buy one. If a liberal doesn't like guns, then no one should have one.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, they don't eat meat. If a liberal is, they want to ban all meat products for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual, they quietly enjoy their life. If a liberal is homosexual, they loudly demand legislated respect.
If a black man or Hispanic is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful. Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. A liberal wants any mention of God or religion silenced.
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his.
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Those quotes I so kindly shaded RED are offensive (the part you posted)... I'm pretty sure through all of this I haven't called you a name.. IF I did then I should apologize... IF I didn't then you sir are more of an offensive individual then we are... name calling is juvenile and silly... I may add an adjective to describe someone or something but calling us (yep blanket statement) ladies is childish.
If you're wanting a fight (fisticuffs) I'm sure you can go down to your local pub/bar and walk in and have Bubba put down his gun long enough to give ya an arse whoopin, then when he's done I'm sure he'll buy ya a drink and ask why you begged for it, the azz whippin that is... ROFL.
All in good fun mate... at least the last part. ;)
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17. February 2010 @ 02:50 |
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Your pretty sure you haven't called me a name. This is how you opened your post
Originally posted by greensman:
You are a silly little man.
But don't worry I don't care and you had good reason for saying it.
I don't go around fighting. I have good self control I was just asked what I would do if I lost it and hypothetically answered. As for calling all of you ladies maybe that was from being called a panzy too many times in the previous pages and just wanted to point out that non gun owning people usually have that view of gun owning people.
I have never said I am a Liberal. Yet I have to read nonsense saying I am like that crazy women who shot her collegues.
Originally posted by greensman:
Also I'm pretty sure she was a Democrat or at least a liberal which makes her one of YOU!!! So you have been trying to let us know that we should be protecting ourselves from YOU and YOUR kind...
If you must know I don't associate myself with any political party not that it has anything to do with this discussion.
Your pretty sure she's a Democrat or at least a liberal.
You have a link to where you found this out. Of course not because you pulled it out your ass.
Originally posted by greensman:
BIFFO it boils down to this... if you don't like something then don't do it or use it... DON'T force everyone else to follow your "demands" because you feel it's what you believe!!!
In every other case fine but seeing as guns are a threat to everyone not just people who own them I think I am entitled to argue against their ownership.
greensman it boils down to this... You and pretty much every other gun owner here say you own guns to protect yourself from bad people who have guns.
Fine there's a tiny chance that you could be murdered by a dangerous person with a gun so you have one to prevent this.
There's also a small chance you could die in a plane crash. So I presume you don't fly to prevent this.
There's also a small chance you could die in a car crash. So I presume you don't drive to prevent this.
There's also a small chance you could die drowning. So I presume you don't go near water to prevent this.
There's also a small chance you could die by being hit by lightning. So I presume you don't go outside to prevent this.
So if you stay true to your beliefs you just sit in an empty room all day with your gun in hand.
Of course not because your owning a gun isn't about protection. You own a gun because you like it.
Why the need for the bs. That really does annoy me.
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17. February 2010 @ 03:51 |
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Your pretty sure you haven't called me a name. This is how you opened your post
There was a smile after the "sentence"... ;) If you are NOT a man who is little and silly please accept my apology. :p
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If you must know I don't associate myself with any political party not that it has anything to do with this discussion.
Your pretty sure she's a Democrat or at least a liberal.
You have a link to where you found this out. Of course not because you pulled it out your ass.
Yeh, maybe the "tie-in" was a bit harsh... but it normally follows a Liberal's thinking to do away with guns or anything similar.
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Meanwhile, in an interview with the Chronicle of Higher Education, Anderson said he was searching for the ?trigger? to his wife?s breakdown, and that he wondered whether an e-mail message - potentially in the form of a final tenure denial - might have upset her, because university higher-ups were known to send ?nastygrams? on Fridays.
A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was ?obsessed? with President Obama to the point of being off-putting.
One of the few things that I read... I'm sure there will be more but she is a Liberal according to a few websites that I visited.
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In every other case fine but seeing as guns are a threat to everyone not just people who own them I think I am entitled to argue against their ownership.
greensman it boils down to this... You and pretty much every other gun owner here say you own guns to protect yourself from bad people who have guns. YEP!!
Fine there's a tiny chance that you could be murdered by a dangerous person with a gun so you have one to prevent this.
There's also a small chance you could die in a plane crash. So I presume you don't fly to prevent this.
There's also a small chance you could die in a car crash. So I presume you don't drive to prevent this.
There's also a small chance you could die drowning. So I presume you don't go near water to prevent this.
There's also a small chance you could die by being hit by lightning. So I presume you don't go outside to prevent this.
So if you stay true to your beliefs you just sit in an empty room all day with your gun in hand.
Of course not because your owning a gun isn't about protection. You own a gun because you like it.
Why the need for the bs. That really does annoy me.
NOW to the rest of your post... again you're making a point for me and the rest here...
So we need to do away with cars, planes, water, lightening, and what else?? ROFL.
cars... I drive 'em... yep with air bags and safety equipment for me kids.
planes... I fly but NO I don't like it... it's a flying BRICK for God's sake!!!
water... I take showers and try to avoid vast expanses of water without a flotation device or boat. ;) btw... I don't go near icebergs either... I'm NOT stupid like the Titanic engineer was. :p
lightening... come on now.. everyone knows NOT to go out in a lightening storm... plus you come in when it's raining.. didn't your mom teach you that?? :D
owning guns.. it is about protection... did you NOT read that I have been broken into and have children to protect?? Do I like guns... Yes and No... Yes because they are quite interesting and No because they NEED so much attention and care when it comes to safety!!!
DO I sit in my "empty" room gun in hand?? NO... that's damn silly!! Dangerous as heck too!!! But I guarantee you something... I can sit/lay a gun down anywhere and it won't kill/murder a thing!!! Only a person can do such actions... but a person doesn't necessarily need a gun to do so... They could use a car, plane, boat, water, hands, stick, bat, golf club, knife, and so on!!!
So you take away guns and what's next?? How bout smoking in public places? Take away chemicals that work and DON'T harm the environment like false reports say they do? Like DDT let's say... How bout Global Warming?? Let's make a rule about reducing "Green House" gases?? Like CO2!! WTHeck are the trees and other plants gonna breath?? (btw there is legislation that already exists or is in the works for that CR@P I listed)
GOod Lord man don't you see the SNOW BALL effect this thinking will cause??
Why don't we agree to disagree and go on with our lives??
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17. February 2010 @ 04:59 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
Why don't we agree to disagree and go on with our lives?? [/b][/i]
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17. February 2010 @ 08:21 |
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This is a generalized view, but hopelessly accurate... Remember this: There are liberal and conservative Democrats, Republicans and Independents. It's not the party, it's the mindset; however, it is a fact that the Democrats have the majority of the liberals.
If a conservative doesn't like guns , they don't buy one. If a liberal doesn't like guns, then no one should have one.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, they don't eat meat. If a liberal is, they want to ban all meat products for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual, they quietly enjoy their life. If a liberal is homosexual, they loudly demand legislated respect.
If a black man or Hispanic is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful. Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. A liberal wants any mention of God or religion silenced.
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his.
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19. February 2010 @ 01:49 |
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First off, high fives and slaps on the back for all who've missed me. It's most certainly been mutual. If any of you happen to be in the metro Phoenix area you better let me know - food, lodging and four wheeling in Sedona will be provided.
And now to you kind Biffo. Part of me wants to quote all sorts of statistics, surveys studies and what not but in the end its completely meaningless. Both sides can pontificate, spew numbers, blab ideologies, blah blah friggin blah.
What it all boils down to is the fact that like it or not, condone violence or not, agree with guns or not the fact remains that there have been way more guns produced (50 million + for the AK-47/74 pattern ALONE) than is needed to satisfy the disgustingly base, petty and violent nature of mankind. White, black, yellow, red, brown, polka dot and zebra stripe - homo sapiens above all else loves to murder and kill. Pull your head outta the clouds and actually think in the real world for a change. Try and wrap your mind around the fact that guns are here to stay no matter how much anybody wants then to be gone........
Can we, sir, at least reach a common ground and agreement that whether we like it or not guns, no matter country, border etc, are here to stay? I hope we can find this common and inescapable ground so as to further this debate with under a common understanding.
Similar topic in a very general direction - I find it hilarious that the gun-ban folks think that if they reach the NO GUNS WHATSOEVER fallacy that it will actually change anything. Here's a clue dumbasses - mankind has been killing wholesale WAAAAAY before guns were ever dreamed up. be thankful the maladjusted asswipes use guns instead of easily-made explosives that'll up the body count quicker and higher than any gun ever made.
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Originally posted by Nephilim:
First off, high fives and slaps on the back for all who've missed me. It's most certainly been mutual. If any of you happen to be in the metro Phoenix area you better let me know - food, lodging and four wheeling in Sedona will be provided.
I just knewed he loved us!!! :D I wish I could head tomorrow buddy... I'd force you to feed me at least 3 times a day and then do some hunting and whatever else we could find for fun!! :p
Good to see you as always and take care of yeself!! :)
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Crikey, lots of intense debating going on here! Hi Neph, been way too long........
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Originally posted by greensman:
Originally posted by Nephilim:
First off, high fives and slaps on the back for all who've missed me. It's most certainly been mutual. If any of you happen to be in the metro Phoenix area you better let me know - food, lodging and four wheeling in Sedona will be provided.
I just knewed he loved us!!! :D I wish I could head tomorrow buddy... I'd force you to feed me at least 3 times a day and then do some hunting and whatever else we could find for fun!! :p
Good to see you as always and take care of yeself!! :)
Neph, oh the food bill you are going to have feeding GM !
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Originally posted by iluvendo:
Originally posted by greensman:
Originally posted by Nephilim:
First off, high fives and slaps on the back for all who've missed me. It's most certainly been mutual. If any of you happen to be in the metro Phoenix area you better let me know - food, lodging and four wheeling in Sedona will be provided.
I just knewed he loved us!!! :D I wish I could head tomorrow buddy... I'd force you to feed me at least 3 times a day and then do some hunting and whatever else we could find for fun!! :p
Good to see you as always and take care of yeself!! :)
Neph, oh the food bill you are going to have feeding GM !
Shusssshhhhh!! He might not know the GM well enough to worry about it!! :) I wonder if there are any Prime Rib bars in his area?? :D :D :D
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hi :)
the national deficite has suddenly gone up a touch
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Originally posted by gurnard:
hi :)
the national deficite has suddenly gone up a touch
LMAO !!!
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20. February 2010 @ 19:26 |
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Originally posted by gurnard:
hi :)
the national deficite has suddenly gone up a touch
I forgot how nice it was when you were lurking and NOT posting!!! :p :p :p
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