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Neph's POLITE Gun Debate
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30. March 2009 @ 10:48 |
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that site must be haven problems i cant get it to load in IE7 or FF3.. ill try later
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30. March 2009 @ 11:28 |
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30. March 2009 @ 15:04 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
Neph good to see you around again.
ok fellow gun lovers. the little lady is wanting a 6 shooter(or aa fully automatic something)lol
what would be a good one to have in the house? one the wife can handle(with proper training) i kinda like the looks of the 357 sig's
i would much rather have a revolver type but she is wanting the 9mm type..
The first thing to do is see if the little lady can work the slide. I have both large and small semiautos. The wife can't work the slide on any of them. My daughter-in-law can work a slide with difficulty. I wouldn't want to count on her in a life threatening situation with a semiauto.
A couple of the gun makers have an 8 round 357 revolver. I've got a S&W model 627. By the way, 9mm-ish is similar to 357, 357 Sig, 38, and 380 in bore size (case and powder with bullet weight determining the "zip" between the different rounds). For knockdown and dependability, with ease of operation, I'd suggest the Charter Arms 44 Bulldog revolver (good at the price). My mom can shoot one of those rapid fire. If you just have to have the semiauto (SA), I like the 40 S&W (plenty of knockdown with good velocity). I prefer HK for SAs, they make a S&W 40 USP compact (I own the full size USP). Most of the name manufacturers offer good guns. If the little lady had liked small, I like the S&W Chief 5 shot 38. Makes a good backup for the big guys as well. They always fire unless you have bad ammo. If you don't mind the aesthetics, Glock makes decent SAs in about all the popular calibers. The Walther PPKS and Beretta are also nice small SAs. I own a PPK and an older 70S (both in 380). They pack quite a wallop up close. As I mentioned the 380 is a downsized 9mm. That 40 S&W I mentioned before is a shortened 10mm.
In large frame SAs I have an HK USP in 40 S&W and a Beretta "Billy" in 9mm (92). In small frame I have a Walther PPKS and Beretta 70S in 380. I also have the 8 shot Smith & Wesson 357 magnum. The wife handles that one well with 38 +P. Those guns have found a home after my buying and trading for a lot of years. Only the 70S may get traded and only because I have 2 small SAs. It's my favorite carry gun because of it's size (relatively light for all day concealed carry).
Just about every gun owner has a favorite and a best gun for some reason. You just heard about a few I like (there's several more, lol). So you may end up with a bunch of suggestions.
The main thing to remember is being able to easily operate the gun and not have a caliber so large the user fears the recoil.
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30. March 2009 @ 18:17 |
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Originally posted by Nephilim:
I'm doing better than I ever have my friend and I hope the same is true for all of you. I guess the biggest news would be that I met an incredible gal who has made me very very happy. So happy in fact that for the first time in my life I have a ring on my left hand third digit :)
Amazingly enough in these times where everyone seems to be stocking up on guns I actually sold one of mine (leaves me with just 14 but I think I'll manage) to buy a very sweet Makita 10" dual-bevel sliding compound miter saw for the myriad of projects and upgrades we have planned for the house.
Take care all! I'll try not to be a stranger :D
High fives to you, my friend, on your marriage! It is good to see you post again, and I hope that all goes well for you and your bride.
Life is good!
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30. March 2009 @ 22:18 |
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Rob, how close do your neighbors live? A quick thought if you were to set one off in your house, how many walls of sheet rock would a 9mm bullet travel thru before hitting your next door neighbor's kid?
If you live in the country, then load up with the heavy arty. If not, consider showing her a 12 gauge loaded with birdshot. Deadly inside your house, but probably wouldn't make it through the outerwall of your house, just a thought. I have some 3" magnums loaded with 2 oz of #7 1/2 shot for the bad guys. Just a suggestion.
Somehow I have to admire Bill Clinton, forever in history he will be stuck between two bushes. Hilary can never compete with that can she?
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31. March 2009 @ 11:04 |
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BlivetNC brings up a good rule of shooting. You're responsible for where your bullets go and a shooter should be aware of the background. That's why cops aren't supposed to shoot into crowds at a perp.
If worried about shooting through walls and taking out the neighbors with a handgun, use frangible bullets. Larger caliber, low velocity hollowpoint rounds are less likely to blast through walls like those in a home. Hydroshok in 45 auto and 44 special are good examples. If you're in a townhouse apartment and your neighbor is only 2 sheets of sheetrock away, beware, you could hit them with a high velocity pellet gun. A situation like that is where the frangible round is best suited.
Those 870 pump shotguns like the police use are great for home defense. The little lady might find one difficult for concealed carry though.
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31. March 2009 @ 11:21 |
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we have a target world a few miles form the house here. they will let you rent just about anytype of hand gun if they have it. only $6 per hour. i should take her over there and let her choose from what they offer and recommend.
our house is close to the neighbor on one side. wide open street on the other side then woods next to it.
i do have 3 boys. and they are hung up on the military right now.so any weapon htey see they are curious about. they do know the difference between toys and the real thing..well the 10yo and 6yo do. i want to make sure its safe to have in the house but also want it easy for her to get to if need be.
granted i want the harry calihan type gun,lol but it is more for her pertection and safe peace of mind. so a S&W 500 .50 cal is out of the equation...lol
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31. March 2009 @ 19:33 |
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Well I just experienced the ammo shortage first hand. Wow a lot of places are sold out of the .40 S&W!
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31. March 2009 @ 22:26 |
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Oh GOOD LAWDY!!! A S&W 500!! It's a monster of a Revolver. I looked at a 454 Casull Yesterday and a S&W 460 today.... Oh My!!! Daddy likey toooooo much. :)
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1. April 2009 @ 08:04 |
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A gun shop I used to go in, had a 454 Casul derringer. I always wondered if your hand would break shooting it.
They also had a Smith & Wesson 500 that the owner let me hold. Damn thing could only hold 5 rounds, but they were some big bullets!!
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1. April 2009 @ 08:44 |
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Originally posted by rtm27:
A gun shop I used to go in, had a 454 Casul derringer. I always wondered if your hand would break shooting it.
They also had a Smith & Wesson 500 that the owner let me hold. Damn thing could only hold 5 rounds, but they were some big bullets!!
LOL You'd have to find the hand first. Looks like you've been looking at baby howitzers. That goes for gm as well. LOL
Cincy
The "Dirty Harry" gun (S&W 629) isn't really a bad idea, as long as the little lady doesn't mind the big frame. You can shoot the full on magnum rounds and she can use 44 special loads. The 627 I have is basically the same frame with a 357 magnum barrel and an 8 round cylinder. My wife has no trouble shooting 38 +P with that one. The big guns aren't good candidates for concealed carry, heavy and hard to hide. The larger frames help absorb the recoil though.
As for curious children, I have a gun safe and a small metal case. The small case has a pushbutton combination for quick access. The box is small and easy to mount or set in a number of locations. It also has an optional steel cable for tie down (so the little guys can't pick it up and carry it away. The lockboxes aren't too expensive, you can check them out online at Cabelas. Then there's the gun locks. S&W and some of the other gunmakers have built in locks on some of the newer models. I've got a bunch of grandkids, and I've not lost any yet (still got all my children as well). So, yes... you can have a gun and a child and not lose either. LOL
You have to remember, children are the best burglars in the world. There is no place you can hide a thing that they can't find it. Remember, the lock is only good if you know where the key is and the little ones can't get it. On your keyfob in your pocket is a good place. If you leave a key in a nightstand, then your child probaby has access to your gun. Let the kids know what's in the box, so there's no curiosity involved. Also, let them know you're serious about them not messing with the box, the gun, or any locks involved. No tv, cell phone, or computer time for 10 years ... no car ... no senior prom...
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1. April 2009 @ 10:01 |
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Speaking of kids and guns, my AF buddy, a sherriff's deputy at the time figured he had the best place for his back up service weapon, a celing beam approx 10 feet off the floor, not near anything climbable he thought, everything was fine until one day when mom was scared beyond herself by this enourmous bug in the kitchen, until the 5 year old came running into the kitchen with dad's weapon ready to shoot the bug for mommy. Took him months to get out of the doghouse after that one.
Pacman is correct, kids will get to the gun. All of mine are trigger locked, the bolts are out of the rifles, and a cable lock is passed thru the action of the shotgun. The 1898 springfield is unsecured because there is no ammo available for it. (The bolt is out though.)
No one but me knows where the keys are hidden, nor will they find the bolts. Don't think that they can pick up what they are hidden under, and if they could they wouldn't be able to see nor feel around to find where they are stashed. I've read way too many stories about kids finding loaded weapons left around for home defense to think that my kids will stay away due to mere threats.
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1. April 2009 @ 15:41 |
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A good safe and combination lockbox is the best way to go. I keep my lockbox backup key in the big safe. So far I'm the only one that can access the safe and lockbox. A decent substitute is a gun locker with a combination lock. They're not as heavy as a safe, but for the purposes of gun safety around children they work out well.
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1. April 2009 @ 16:20 |
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Agreed with Pacman, better safe than sorry.
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3. April 2009 @ 14:16 |
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7. April 2009 @ 08:12 |
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Originally posted by blivetNC:
Agreed with Pacman, better safe than sorry.
LOL Good pun. better safe...
I wonder if a bunch of the politicians and citizens know the difference between an assault rifle, a semiauto (SA) wannabee, and a hunting rifle. I have a couple of 10 round clips for a 30.06 hunting rifle that will do a heck of a lot more damage than a five round Remington R15 (which, if I remember correctly, can use the higher capacity AR15 and M16 clips). (For brute force, I'll take 10 rounds of 30.06 over 20 of .223 any day.) There's a lot of difference between an AR15 and M16, though they look almost identical. Same goes for the SA AK47 and the full auto model. The Mexican cartels are using a lot of fully automatic weapons that are illegal for US citizens except by special permit. The full auto guns are scarce in the US except for military and limited police use. Which goes to show, the cartels aren't getting their favorite "toys" from the US, or at least not directly from citizen and shop sales.
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7. April 2009 @ 17:02 |
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Originally posted by rtm27:
They also had a Smith & Wesson 500 that the owner let me hold. Damn thing could only hold 5 rounds, but they were some big bullets!!
rtm my buddy has one i shot it once and it threw my should out lol. also the bullets are 2.00 dollars each!
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12. April 2009 @ 22:39 |
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This was not expected and the news media made sure it did not make the news...
Guess our national leaders didn't expect this, hmm? On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee... What he said to our 20 national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.
They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:
"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women.. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott , and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out f or answers.
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain , and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain 's heart.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel 's murder I would be their strongest opponent.
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best..
Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!
" Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational
Systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.
"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your
own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
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5. July 2009 @ 02:13 |
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Clint Smith, Director of Thunder Ranch, is part drill instructor, and part stand up comic.
Here are a few of his observation on tactics, firearms, self defense and life as we know it in the civilized world.
"The handgun would not be my choice of weapon if I knew I was going to a fight....I'd choose a rifle, a shotgun, an RPG or an atomic
bomb instead."
"The two most important rules in a gunfight are: always cheat and always win."
"Every time I teach a class, I discover I don't know something."
"Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way."
"Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets. I may get Killed with my own gun, but he's gonna have to beat me to death with it, cause it's going to be empty."
"If you're not shootin', you should be loadin'. If you're not Loadin, you should be movin', if you're not movin', someone's gonna cut Your head off and put it on a stick."
"When you reload in low light encounters, don't put your flashlight in your back pocket.. If you light yourself up, you'll look like an angel or the tooth fairy...and you're gonna be one of 'em pretty soon."
"Do something. It may be wrong, but do something."
"Nothing adds a little class to a sniper course like a babe in a Ghilliesuit."
"Shoot what's available, as long as it's available, until something else becomes available."
"If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous.. If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid for."
"Don't shoot fast, shoot good."
"You can say 'stop' or 'alto' or use any other word you think will work but I've found that a large bore muzzle pointed at someone's head is pretty much the universal language."
"You have the rest of your life to solve your problems. How long you live depends on how well you do it."
"You cannot save the planet. You may be able to save yourself and your family."
"Thunder Ranch will be here as long as you'll have us or until someone makes us go away and either way it will be exciting."
More Excellent Gun Wisdom.......
The purpose of fighting is to Win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.
1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to Fight, he'll just kill you.
2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.
4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.
5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him 'Why do you carry a 45?' The Ranger responded, 'Because they
don't make a 46.'
6. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.
7. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. 'Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?' 'No ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle.'
8. Beware the man who only has one gun. He probably knows how to use it!
If you believe in the 2nd Amendment, please forward. 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because
he loves what is behind him.'
-G. K. Chesterton
A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.
-DDE-
Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who Do not.'
- Thomas Jefferson-
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5. July 2009 @ 09:35 |
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You know I haven't been into guns in years, but damn did this guy hit the nail on the head.
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5. July 2009 @ 16:58 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
You know I haven't been into guns in years, but damn did this guy hit the nail on the head.
What FRED said!!! :D But I'm the opposite of FRED. :P
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5. July 2009 @ 22:01 |
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2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
1. should be try to steer clear of fights and explosive situations, but if you find your self in one, then see #2.
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6. July 2009 @ 23:56 |
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7. July 2009 @ 00:17 |
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Man after reading your link this was a bad guy, well at least the people don't have to shell out all the court costs now.
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