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What's better? DVDShrink or DVDXCopy Platinum?
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ScubaPete
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25. January 2005 @ 19:50 |
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I wonder if DVD x Copy can copy this new Sony copy protection?
Please tell me you've made a mistake -
No one can be that dumb . . . .
DVD XCopy stopped any work on their product 1 and 1/2 years ago AND they have been out of business for a full year before this encryption was introduced -
If they were that physic they would have never gone up against the movie consortium who out "pissed" them in the court system.
God, and you ask if 1 and 1/2 years ago they foresaw this encryption before its inception and constructed their proggy to beat it -
all I can say is . . . WOW -
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28. January 2005 @ 06:16 |
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... You go Pete ... Keep tellin' it like it is ...
.. the catfreak says 'Pete's top notch, listen to him' ..
HI PETE
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Starbuck1
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28. January 2005 @ 11:21 |
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ScubaPete, I like that comparison! LOL.
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ScubaPete
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29. January 2005 @ 16:10 |
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So sorry there Cat,
The little feller done up and scared me . . .
He got me to thinking . . . Someday this little guy is gonna be one of those pple who will be running the world . .
That thought went and woke me out of a sound sleep -
OK, I looked around and I see that the world is still turning on it's axis -
Back to sleep I'm a-goin' . . .
Chat with you later my friend, I trust you to keep watch and ensure we're not invaded with stupidity - - - :0)
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29. January 2005 @ 17:02 |
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After 30+ years in the computer field I'm not sure if ScubaPete is referring to me or not. I must say I did make a mistake with DVD X Copy because It's true that they have been out of business for a while now but here is how I stand. DVD X Copy charged a large sum of money for software that wasn't worth it's wait in gold. I like DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter because they are FREE! The reason I like Nero is because I've been using their software since they went into business with NO problems. I like Slysofts AnyDVD becuase they keep up with the EVER changing world of copy protection. This is the ONLY reason I boost about these two programs. If it works WHY fix it? My data card key punch days are behind me. DOS is something that started the PC error. Sorry to say Windows XP is the first non DOS operating system Microsoft has ever had!
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ScubaPete
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29. January 2005 @ 19:31 |
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So sorry manestle,
I'm sure if you would have given your post so e forethought you wouldn't have included that final sentence. No worries, it happens in my house too . . .
The frightening thing is, there are many others in other aD forums that have been asking that exact same question recently. They have purchased their "discontinued" XCopy within the last month or two and expect it to be updated, furious because it's not handling the Sony ARccOS encryption and the newer Settec ALPHA-DVD encryption released Jan. 18,2005.
For the life of me, don't they know what discontinued means ? Still they cannot fathom why it wasn't Mfged a year and 1/2 ago to handle these encryptions. They blame everything else, their discs, their drives, other software - it is beyond belief.
As you noted I purchased the original DVD XCopy when all it did was to make 2-discs from the original. Since then, the Xpress then the Platinum, they haven't even done anything significant to their encoder. Now, as you're aware, DVD Shrink produces a more superior end product than does XCopy.
Were I you, I would stick with those proggys which you've acquired, they are among the best. You may wish to entertain the acquisition of DVD2One, as that is a superior app for episodel work IMHO baring none.
To date, AnyDVD is the finest ripping app offered for dealing with every encryption out there now.
Cheers,
Pete
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30. January 2005 @ 03:10 |
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You're right ScubaPete about my sentence about DVD X Copy defeating Sony's new copy protection. Heck DVD X Copy was done long ago. I don't know what I was thinking. It makes me feel dumb, dumb, dumb! One thing for sure is it's a shame that some of use unknowingly bought this expensive program and then to have it discontinued with no more updates. With the movie industry updating their copy protection on what seems to be almost a day to day basis you need a good copy prtection removal tool that also keeps updating. I have found Slysofts AnyDVD to do just that. They have updated versions numorous times in the last few months and also gives you a revision history which includes new movies that have that have been cracked. Because of this I've been sticking with AnyDVD ($39.00) and Nero 6 ($79.00). Put the two prices together and you have just a tad bit over the price you paid for DVD X Copy when it first came out. DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter are still the best bargain out there, FREE!
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ScubaPete
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30. January 2005 @ 15:44 |
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Good God man, you got seriously ripped off with your Nero purchase ~ ~>
http://www.eagletronics.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&keywords=Ahead
It is sent to you via post (just like you would purchase in a computer store) SO you can update just as if you paid retail price.
You have GOT to check around aD to locate the better deals.
For a second way to save $$$$. "Goggle" for a s/n for an older Nero (approx. $5.00 to $9.00) then contact Nero for an update ($49.99). Total cost $59.99.
No matter what, Eagle cannot be beat.
cheers,
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30. January 2005 @ 16:39 |
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ScubaPete
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31. January 2005 @ 11:42 |
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Huuuummm, I seem to remember when you got it - you didn't say anything about it . . .
I know there have been others who had trouble with their s/n but it was always straightened out satisfactorily.
As I recall, you're only initial complaint was that you couldn't download the proggy straight away from the site BUT you did get the entire box set . . .
To date I haven't heard of anyone who wasn't taken care of ? including you since you've gotten a refund ? Perhaps that's their downfall . . . . extremely poor customer service ? ? ? ?
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jessey
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31. January 2005 @ 13:00 |
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hi i need help. i want to back up a copy ofthe grudge i workat a video store and we get them early. i use DVD Shrink and AnyDVD, but the grudge won't encode pastthe previews as soon as it would start to encode the movie, it blacks out and stops
help
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31. January 2005 @ 14:24 |
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I said plenty about it in that thread I started because I was pissed over the whole thing. There wasn't any download option from them - just the bootleg CD option :)
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LionelS
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1. February 2005 @ 03:29 |
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If I give a simple example, can you guys tell me what you think is better. A movie which totals 4.1 gbs with menu and everything (therefore no compression required and fits on one disc)using DVDX copy as opposed to DVD Shrink, quality wise, which makes perfect or near perfect copies over the other? Most of the post seems focused on price as opposed to free, progressions in copy protection and updates as opposed to no longer, but a simple comparison of the above I just wondered which would be better in the circumstances described. DVDX copy is supposed to be able to make perfect copy of the original (where no compression is used), has Shrink caught up to this aspect yet or not quiet?
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ScubaPete
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1. February 2005 @ 14:25 |
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@ LionelS,
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has Shrink caught up to this aspect yet or not quiet?
Let's see . . . Has DVD Shrink caught up, with the technology from a 1, 1/2 ago - when both proggys were considered almost equal.
Let's see then, do you think that a 2005 Lexus will ever catch up with a 1948 Ford ?
I know if you ever thought about what you wrote you would never have asked such a ridicules question. Not to worry too much we all type faster than our minds work sometimes (Lol).
A 1:1 copy is the same no matter what proggy burns it.
When you copy a DVD-5 all copies will look exactly the same as the original.
When you copy a DVD-9 your XCopy will never look as good under scrutiny than a program of today. Why ? Because the 1948 Ford isn't anywhere near the 2005 Lexus.
Cheers,
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brobear
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1. February 2005 @ 15:56 |
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DVDXCopy is overpriced. I'll agree with that one up front. With the patches available for the 321 programs, there is no reason to complain about backup warnings, nag screens, and no Browse. An assortment of patches can be found at PsiDOCs website, http://www.dvdripforums.co.uk . For those with the RF apps, AnyDVD and DVD Decrypter work with those.
Obsolete rippers. Shrink and XCopy both suffer from the same problem (the difficult encryption systems have come on the scene since the last update of Shrink in July 04). Both programs can utilize AnyDVD and DVD Decrypter. As mentioned, the XCopy needs to be patched to use Decrypter (unless it's RF). 321 is bankrupt and gone in the US. Sales of some of the programs continues. DVD Shrink's last version came out in July and according to the author of the app, 3.2.0.15 is the last version (unless he changes his mind). Shrink went to work for Ahead (Nero), so there's some question on future versions.
Quality. Both good. Shrink has the edge on the big blockbusters due to the quality enhancements to the last version. If one knows how to do it, both programs do movie only with functional menus. Afterall, if one knows how, they can edit in full backup with DVD Shrink 3.2. XCopy has the advantage if recording time is a factor. The control difference is negligible.
One click encoders. That's something of a misnomer. Few of the so-called one click transcoders are actually one click; more like one button at a time.
In the end Shrink does have a slight edge. At high compression levels, it has fewer problems. As I said earlier, XCopy is over priced. It's hard to beat free. I've played movies recorded with both XCopy and Shrink on a 60 inch TV and picture quality with both programs was good. XCopy Platinum has both the advanced and simple options. Simple is Xpress where one does have more of a One button setup. The options there are Full Disc or Movie Only.
Dual layer recording. Of the two, only DVD Shrink has the capability. However, due to the cost of dual layer recording media, not many people are using it. 10 dollar coasters are still frightening to some of us. So, the programs that only record to DVD5 still have a useful life as long as the media prices stay up. A 40 cent backup (or coaster) is a lot easier to rationalize than a $10 one. On sale, about the lowest I've seen dual layer media is $6 or more.
As for me, I occasionally use both DVDXCopy and DVD Shrink. As far as my regular "go to" programs, neither of the 2 make the list. However, I must admit, the programs I use aren't free.
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meatsack
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10. February 2005 @ 17:14 |
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DVD X Copy is without a doubt superior than DVD Shrink. It will compress and burn your movies in about one-fourth the amount of time!!
STEVE
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brobear
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10. February 2005 @ 18:05 |
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meatsack
If speed were the only factor you would be correct. But there is more to it than that. XCopy is decent for DVD5 and if a person has it, there's no reason not to use it. However, I wouldn't advise running out to purchase it. Shrink is more the complete package as it works with both DVD5 and DVDR9. For a retail app DVDCopy3 from InterVideo is superior to both of these apps and is up to date and quick as well (less expensive than XCopy). But that is info for another thread.
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10. February 2005 @ 18:06 |
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Hi,
Meatsack, dvdxcopy is now obsolete and it will not allow you to copy the new release dvd which has sony protection, error protection, and structure protection.
The best software that is in the market is AnyDVD which work on the background. As for the new release dvd decry, it will take up a lot of time ripping a dvd with the new protection.
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brobear
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10. February 2005 @ 18:12 |
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henryting
I don't know where you've been using that extra time ripping the newer movies. I've ripped most of the new ones with the Sony ARccOS and it hasn't slowed anything down. I just make sure I have the latest versions of AnyDVD and DVD Decrypter and they've been doing the job. Rips and encoding times have remained about the same as with the movies without the structural encryption.
As I mentioned before, Shrink and XCopy both can benefit from the use of AnyDVD and/or DVD Decrypter.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 10. February 2005 @ 18:14
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wild77
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10. February 2005 @ 18:15 |
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I can rip a movie with the new protection in about 15 min with the new version of Decrypter.It is just a little slower than the regular movies and you still can't beat the price!
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10. February 2005 @ 18:26 |
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Hi,
Brobear, what I meant was when I was using the latest dvd decry alone without the help of AnyDVD the ripping process was slower than the older version of the dvd decry.
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brobear
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10. February 2005 @ 18:31 |
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wild77
Most of my rips with Decrypter have run near 15 minutes give or take. If there is some change with the new encryption, as you point out, it's negligible.
You're definitely right on the price for Decrypter. I'd buy it if it were retail. AnyDVD is a different type decrypter and I find it worth the price. Just hate that it's retail. The free DVD43 isn't even close.
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brobear
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10. February 2005 @ 18:40 |
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henryting
Since I have AnyDVD, I just leave it running all the time. I haven't tried ripping with it off and then on lately. The time that I did run it that way as a test; the times didn't seem to vary much. Maybe it was just the movie I was doing and I can't say it wouldn't make a difference with some.
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rxrebel
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11. February 2005 @ 14:03 |
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i just downloaded DVD Shrink and did the analysis, now can i copy to disk using my xcopy and if so i do it get from shink to xcopy
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brobear
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11. February 2005 @ 16:29 |
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It doesn't work that way. You can rip with DVDShrink, but why you'd want to is beyond me due to the outdated ripper. If it analyzed, you should be able to encode. So all you need to do is set Shrink to burn the encoded files or create an image file to burn later. It would take a patched version of XCopy or RF to be able to use a hard drive file unless you created an ISO and opened it with an emulator.
Check out http://www.dvdshrink.info to get an idea of what Shrink does. http://www.dvdshrink.org is the Shrink official site.
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