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What's better? DVDShrink or DVDXCopy Platinum?
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11. February 2005 @ 21:17 |
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Shrink's freeware, xcopy isn't
Shrink fulfills my needs. Why go out for steak when you've got perfectly good burgers at home?
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brobear
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12. February 2005 @ 04:14 |
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Don't quite get the analogy, neither program is prime. Both programs have an outdated ripper and both need DVD Decrypter and/or AnyDVD or the like to work with the newer encryption systems. Neither Shrink nor 321 was clairvoyant enough to foresee the new encryption systems. For XCopy to use Decrypter it has to put the ISO in an emulator. The XCopy can be patched with upgrades at DVDRFS http://www.dvdripforms.co.uk to activate "Browse" so Decrypter file are usable. In comparing the 2 apps, the DVD Shrink is the more up to date of the 2.
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12. February 2005 @ 10:08 |
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I must add my 2 cents here. DVD Shrink Rules! It will backup ANY movie by itself unless it is a NEW Colubia Tri-Star, in whuch case you can use DVD Decrypter, OR use AnyDVD running. Bottom line, you get a WAY better Quality Backup!! Yeah, Xcopy works, and it's faster in a lot of cases, but with the newer DVD9 movies, I perefer DVD Shrink in Re-Author mode. It just works so good!!!
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brobear
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12. February 2005 @ 11:07 |
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bunnyrip
Your review sort of shot itself in the foot. Shrink and XCopy both suffer the same problem on the newer encryption systems. If you wanted Shrink to look better you should have brought up dual layer burning and the new quality settings, and the abillity of Shrink to do movie only with a functional menu in full backup. As far as DVD9 to DVD5 transcoding, I don't give one much of an advantage over the other. As you pointed out, XCopy is faster and the last version of Shrink has a bit better quality at higher compression levels. BTW, when the compression gets to that level, 60% or less, most people in the know use RB/CCE.
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RDN
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3. March 2005 @ 09:15 |
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"The only problem I've encountered was I get to a part in the movie usually in the beginning of the movie where the movie pauses and jumps back to the previous chapter...if I fast forward past the part where if jump the rest of the movie plays fine...Any suggestions? I'm thinking it could be my player? I have an older Sony DVD player I don't have the model number and I"m using TDK 8x DVD+R's for media...Usually I'm only taking the main title and 5.1 sound and that's it...so I'm getting either 100% or mid 90's for compression everytime I burn. Not sure what it is...I read a post eariler from Scuba Pete about a similar problem...Any suggestions would help. "
I had a similar problem with my movies freezing up towards the last 10-30 minutes of the movie. The problem was solved by ripping the dvd to my harddrive with DVD Shrink first, and then using Nero 6 ultra to burn the files with the dvd video menu. Perfect back ups everytime now.
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ScubaPete
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3. March 2005 @ 16:06 |
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Hi RON, welcome to aD,
Most of your difficulties can be solved by dialing back your DVD target size in Edit - Preferences - DVD Target size to "Custom" and set the size to around 4360MB, the actual size of a DVD-5. By setting it there you are less likely to write to the edge of the disc where the dye may be uneven OR even absent.
The second part of the solution is to always use a decent grade media. I suggest something like those discs made by Taiyo Yuden, Ritek, Mitsubishi or RICOH. Unfortunately they are also the discs most plagued by pirate Mfgrs. and for that reason I like dealing with Mertline OR Newegg who have a great return policy on their products. I have had great luck with RiData and Verbatim DataLife Plus discs and their prices are extremely reasonable.
Give it a try and see how it works for you . . . .
Cheers,
Pete
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brobear
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3. March 2005 @ 19:27 |
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I agree with Pete on the media, he named four of the best manufacturers making DVD media. Using good media is one of the most important things to do when making DVD video backups or home movies. When you use quality media, you don't need to dial back the capacity settings. The default is about 4.35GB with Shrink, which leaves about 20MB space on the outer edge. When I do a burn with Shrink, I always notice an unused ring on the outer edge. If the dye is bad at this part of the disc, you have some pretty crappy media. If it's that bad, you shouldn't be using it for DVD video. Of hundreds of burns, I've yet to have a disc fail due to not changing the default capacity settings and burning too close to the edge. Most programs don't even have the adjustment.
I guess if you have some bad media, then Pete's advice would be appropriate. However, skipping in a movie is usually an indication of over compression or a poor burn for some reason. With the discs being pressed together on the outer edges, that is usually where most disc faults are found. One can use DVDInfopro to test media for read errors caused by faults in the dye if they suspect a problem. Also, a couple of the unburned discs can be sampled this way. If I find problems of this nature, I return the media. Another good point made by Pete, that guarantee is important.
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RDN
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4. March 2005 @ 09:40 |
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Thanks for the welcome and info guys.
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babagano
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4. March 2005 @ 16:44 |
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The first page talked of this belonging in the newbie area, but it keeps going here, so I'll ask this - I was using DVD X Copy Platinum for backups and when I needed to make a backup of that backup (the kids trashed the original), I found that several different movies couldn't be copied with Nero or other apps. intentional file corruption (I KNOW you can't copy a backup with dvd x copy).
Threads here and the guides recommend dvd decryptor and shrink and I've been using them. But 2 things:
1) This thread is indicating you don't need DVD Decrypter? Shrink rips the DVD also!? Why do the guides say to use both apps?
2) This 2 step process - DVD Decrypter and then shrink takes a while. Is there any way to speed things up vs. dvd x copy plat. took much less time.
THANKS!
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Car.Mike
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4. March 2005 @ 16:56 |
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You need to D/L DVDinfoPro and do a CRC test on the burned media prior to trying to back up the copy. To copy a decrypted movie is nothing but a diskcopy procedure and that is all. If there were errors on the original copy then you will have problems copying the movie.
You mentioned " intentional file corruption " and that could be scratches or just a bad burn.
You asked" 1) This thread is indicating you don't need DVD Decrypter? Shrink rips the DVD also!? Why do the guides say to use both apps?
Some of the newer movies Shrink can not decrypt and thusly you have to use DVDDecrypter or AnyDVD to rip the movie
You asked"This 2 step process - DVD Decrypter and then shrink takes a while. Is there any way to speed things up vs. dvd x copy plat. took much less time.
The answer really depends on the quality you want. I have found the time differnce to be a few minutes. I am looking for a quality backup and for that I have found Shrink to be a little better. 321's products are OK but if you want a superb backup then use DVDRebuilder + CCE.
Also do what ScubaPete suggested and use Good Blank media
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brobear
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4. March 2005 @ 22:12 |
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I'll just add to what Mike said. Those guides are for backing up factory DVDs. Those are the ones that need decrypting and encoding/transcoding to burn to recordable media. So, those guides aren't for what you want to do, copy a copy. The backups are already decrypted and sized to fit the target media. Where recording a backup is concerned, it's basically the same process as copying an unprotected CD, only you're doing it with DVD. If you're using Nero with Shrink, you can skip the Shrink and open Nero Express and burn the copy direct. VSO's CopyToDVD is a favorite of mine as well as the Nero. To burn with Decrypter (Decrypter burns as well as decrypts and rips) the disc had to be recorded as an ISO (disc image). Shrink is capable of transcoding files to a disc image to be burned with Decrypter, but this is only called for when you don't have a good recording suite with the proper software. Free sometimes takes more work.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 4. March 2005 @ 22:25
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ScubaPete
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5. March 2005 @ 18:21 |
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Quote:
Is there any way to speed things up vs. dvd x copy plat. took much less time.
You should always compare apples with apples - You ask for speed - it's not a problem when quality isn't a factor. - Poorer quality can be had by using DVD Shrink and in the "Backup" section go to Quality settings and un-check everything.
Speed ? Sure, the youth of today rate everything by how fast it works, they don't much care what it looks like so let me help ~
Stay far away from CCE Rebuilder or even those apps less adapt at providing good quality like CopyDVD3, DVD2One, any quality settings in DVD Shrink and Recode2. Always burn at 16X, no slower than 12X, It will cut your copy time way, way down and you can compare the results with your friends.
This in very important to increase your speed ~ Make sure you use AnyDVD as it takes no time and, do use CopyToDVD as it is the speed champ of burners. Since you're going to be making coasters at that speed you aught to be buying cheap media also. You'll make even more coasters BUT they won't cost as much. You can still save money without losing too much speed by using DVD Shrink ver 3.0 Beta1 ~ it was around when DVD XCopy was strong so the quality and speed were pretty close. By using 2 programs of the same era you'll be better able to judge between the 2 on which is the best.
Here's something I know you don't want to hear because you want speed BUT you don't want to try to mess with as many things as you can. Multi-tasking takes up PC resources and will slow the backup process down. Don't touch your PC while it's working, this is life; you cannot achieve your top speed while continuing to do that which interfere with that speed at the same time. Defrag and clean your registry, often. Turn everything off in msconfig - startup more resources mean a faster backup.
And before anyone opens their mouth and begins by saying I'm recommending these things, I'm not, This post is for those pple who place some importance upon speed. If you are offended by speed over quality then you need an education. Our friend is not alone by a very long shot. Travel these forums as much as I do and our younger members want speed and simplicity - They have no interest in the workings of programs - 1click DVDCopy is their "Top Program", quality isn't an issue.
Check it out . . . .
One-click transcoding - http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/78
DVD2One - http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/57
DVD Shrink - http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/125
Advanced Users - http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/35
Newbies - http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/44
It is the single one attribute that our young members ask for, compare and purchase to achieve, "Speed" and simplicity.
Quality has, many times, been thought to be reserved for oldsters but I've found there is always a bit "O" room for converts, I'm content to let it be :)
I have found, about the time when pple have to earn their $$ living, they begin to appreciate quality over other things. It's what makes the world go 'round. Whichever group you're in, I'm learning that pple don't want to know about the other's train of thought. This was written for our friend who praises speed. For those who wish a middle of the road or better, see my sig. It's a big world, there's room enough for everyone.
Cheers all,
Pete
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wild77
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5. March 2005 @ 20:37 |
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Speed Kills
I just started using DVD Rebuilder V.0.74 and CCE Basic,you can't beat the quality but it does take a while to encode.I still use Shrink and Nero Recode for the films that do not need much compression.Would not even think about using Xcopy!
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LionelS
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6. March 2005 @ 02:25 |
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Yes quality is number one for me. Afterall isn't that what the dvd format is about? This seems to be lost with a lot of the new users out there. I will only compress if an exact copy is not possible (sometime I may have to resort to spliting the movie over two discs without any quality loss at all). Certainly any compression required I ensure that all the relevant checkboxes are checked or extra processes done so as to maximise quality - speed and time is secondary as the extra quality achieved with this is worth it. On another note any disc being backed up that requires less than 75% compression of the main movie, will not make the grade for me (unless I split over two discs with no compression). I am sure others have their own cut off point perhaps higher perhaps lower (not too low I hope - under 50%??? - surely no one can be happy with this result?).
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6. March 2005 @ 15:51 |
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I feel quality over speed is the ticket. I use AnyDVD (keeping it up to date) and Nero Recode 2 with outstanding success. It is also very true to keep your copies within 4.35 Gigs so that you're not burning real close to the edge. Even with good media it is still a good practice to keep your burn area away from the edge of the disc.
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wild77
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6. March 2005 @ 16:08 |
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I was just getting ready to wipe the dust off my Xcopy Platinum.Do a fresh re-install and buy a 100 pack of the cheapest Memorex discs and burn at 12x!!!
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ScubaPete
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6. March 2005 @ 16:22 |
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Well that's one camp heard from -
Remember there are others with differing views; make sure you extend the courtesy to voice their opinion without undue comments -
Peace all,
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6. March 2005 @ 20:35 |
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I just use a Xerox to make perfect copies of my discs. It takes only a few seconds and only costs 15 cents! :)
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brobear
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6. March 2005 @ 22:17 |
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Nephilim,
I have a One Touch and like you, it only takes a few seconds to copy. Where do you find your high priced "stuff" though? My copies are a bit cheaper. ;)
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front437
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7. March 2005 @ 11:22 |
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I just recently bought a DVD recorder. A salesman of Best Buy recommended shrink and decrypter. One can split the main feature on to two by dumping titles authorizing and using start and end functions. With shrink and with deep analysis and Nero produces great copies.
But what about DVD rescue for fixing bad spots. I bought dvd x copy early last year thinking that there would be no chance to buy a ripper in the future. Although Lucky to have X copy activated decrypter seem simpler to use except maybe splitting the dvd into two disks.
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brobear
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7. March 2005 @ 15:15 |
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My experience has shown the rescue programs not to be as good as the consumer expects. In fact I haven't found a good one yet. If the media is unreadable, then there is nothing the rescue app can do. Often they'll just lock up. I've found for recovering as much data as possible, using a resurfacing tool like the one by Memorex or Skip Dr is best. I've recovered several scratched discs that were too bad to read. If the damage is all the way into the dye, then nothing can help.
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