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Pinnacle Studio 9 plus problem to render
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lynch09
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16. December 2005 @ 18:46 |
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I captured it from a DV camcorder. I plugged the camcorder into the vcr, which was plugged into my Dazzle 150 capture hardware, since I don't have the hardware that enables me to capture directly from the camera. It wasn't captured from a cd.
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websokind
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20. December 2005 @ 05:40 |
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Hello all.
I have had much frustration with rendering with this program version 9.4.3 just like everyone else. It always stopped at a random place every time.
Someone in this thread (edman98) suggested that the rendering problem may be from capturing the video in pinnacle. I decided to download a program called 'WinDV'. It is free, and rated pretty high by users. WinDV easily captured my video in .AVI format and saved to my hard drive.
I then brought these saved AVI files from the folder on my hard drive into a new project in pinnacle, and edited my video/made a menu like I normally would for my movies.
And believe it or not, when it was time to burn the disc, pinnacle rendered completely and had NO problems.
I have went through this process three different times recording 60 minutes of video each, and haven't had a problem... since I've used WinDV to capture my video.
So yes, its kinda a nuisance to use a seperate program, but I really don't think its a big deal.. it really doesnt take much extra time at all.
Give it a try if you are still having problems with rendering.
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vetshak
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20. December 2005 @ 10:54 |
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OK, my final comment on this issue: Pinnacle is crap. I'm sorry, but while version 10 and its patches seemed to fix some of my issues, the primary 45 minute project I had been working continued to have audio stuttering. I gave up. I know this wasn't a capture problem because my video parts, when rendered, worked fine. It stuttered on audio added from CD or .wav files. I think if you're looking to create 10-15 minute simple projects, Studio is a decent piece of software. If you're looking to render larger projects or do any kind of professional editing, you need to get something else.
Last week I got my copy of Sony Vegas + DVD. I did 10 days worth of research looking for an affordable professional video editor. Vegas is about $400, but in 10 days I will tell everybody on this list that it is worth is price in gold. Gone are almost all of my problems. Vegas has its own collection of issues, but I have found a simple workaround for all of them. The rendering engine is light years beyond Pinnacle's... faster, more effective.
I believe one of Studio's problems eminates from the fact that it renders DVDs within the software. I mean, rendering an MPEG from Studio is an entirely separate process from rendering and burning a DVD. You can write the DVD files without burning, but both MEPEG rendering and DVD burning are 2-4 hour processes for every 30 minutes of footage.
Vegas + DVD is actually two applications. You create and render in Vegas, and then use AVI or MPEG files (created in Vegas) in the DVD authoring program. This is an enormously effective and simple concept. You get your footage to look how you want it to in Vegas, and then the DVD authoring program simply implants that video.
Last night I had 90 minutes of Christmas footage for my in-laws I ws converting from VHS to DVD. The MPEG rendering process took 4 1/2 hours (which, incidentally is far faster than Studio would have taken). But once it was rendered, burning the DVD took 20 minutes to burn, with copies taking only 3-4 minutes each.
If I had to criticize Vegas for anything, it's that things are not as well laid out as in Studio. A lot of the Studio stuff is intuitive. Vegas is a professional-level program, so you have to do some snooping to figure out things like how to change button images in the DVDA program. There is a much steeper learning curve, and it costs $200-300 more. But you know what? It works. After the last 4 months with Pinnacle, it could be written in Japanese and I wouldn't care...
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atbiker
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23. December 2005 @ 06:50 |
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I also had the problems rendering.
I removed the software, and re-installed form CD to version 9.3.6.13. All problems solved !
Good Luck from Holland !
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lynch09
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25. December 2005 @ 04:28 |
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I will not buy another pinnacle project in the near future, maybe I'll buy studio 25 or something, because it seems it will take them that long to get everything right, it's a great product, great features, horrible execution.
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lizmik
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26. December 2005 @ 22:07 |
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This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 26. December 2005 @ 22:17
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pj98321
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27. December 2005 @ 07:36 |
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My luck finally ran out. I changed a few scenes in my project which changed the length from 57 minutes to 63 minutes. It failed to burn. Rendered okay but refused to burn the disk. After much trial and error I discovered that 63 minutes is too long. Even though the diskometer says it had 3 minutes of free space. I tried the automatic bitrate setting and that doesn't work. I selected custom and reduced the bitrate in steps until I got to 6500 Kbps which worked. The diskometer said 11 minutes free space. After I burned it I checked the file size on the DVD and it was 4.29 GB! I think Pinnacle forgot that 4.7GB disks really only hold 4.37GB! After much research and many trials it seems that 59 minutes is the max size for full DVD quality. I also removed all the music, 290Mb worth and the diskometer showed no change. Anyone else have this experience with Studio9? PJ
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 27. December 2005 @ 07:36
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alane1313
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28. December 2005 @ 20:14 |
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I have used Studio 9 successfully for the past several months. Yes it does occasionally freeze. (So does Sony Sony Vegas + DVD). Perhaps it is how I use the program. I record programs from TV into an mp2 file. I use Studio 9 to edit.
I do know that a separate large hard drive for capture and rendering is a must. (internal, NOT external)
Defrag the capture drive religiously. Save often while editing. Do no other work on the computer while rendering. I believe that Studio may have software and hardware compatibility issues. Why else could I have success with the following?
P4 2.4ghz running Windows 2000 with 1 GB RAM
Video card is a 3 & 1/2 year old ATI 8500 All-In-Wonder
Soundcard is Turtle Beach Montego
DVD burner is a Plextor 712 SATA
Operating system hard drive is a 40 GB Seagate 7200 PATA
Capture Drive is a 250 GB Seagate 7200 SATA
Again, virtually no problems. Even my motion menus come out beautifully!
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Radioham
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29. December 2005 @ 00:39 |
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Alane1313 your post once again confirms the problem most people are having here is caused by using Version 9 to CAPTURE video and then render it.
Like many others I now use a seperate capture process to then edit and render in V9, and it works just fine.
The fact you have to do this is the issue, and tech support at Pinnacle just does not recognise the issue... despite the lenghty dialogue here. It has nothing to do with, spec of PC or cards, memory or disk defrag.
It has everything to do with software that does not function as advertised.
Regards
Colin
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astalker
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29. December 2005 @ 02:59 |
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Thanks for answering, Radioham. I don't think alane1313 can have read the thread. We went through all this stuff at the beginning - then people began to realise that the software is faulty. Nothing whatsoever to do with hard drives, defrags, processor. Please let's not go down that road again. Let's keep telling the world that the latest version of Pinnacle 9 is faulty, and we should not be paying anything to have it fixed, or to go to a new version (which seems to be faulty as well).
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pj98321
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29. December 2005 @ 06:28 |
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I have had some problems capturing and using video from other sources. I used Nero 6 to capture some video and edit with Studio. Nero used AC3 Dolby to encode the audio. Studio won't decode the audio unless you buy the addon codecs pack for 9.95. Which I really don't feel like doing. Other problem I had was capturing with the WinDVR application. When dropped into Studio those videos wouldn't run. Studio acted like it was only one frame long. I was able to salvage all the videos by using Nero and exporting the video as an Mpeg. In Nero you can select PCM audio which Studio can use. PJ
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fennie
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3. January 2006 @ 02:47 |
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WinDV does it for me! I've been hugely frustrated by this bug in Studio Plus (how Pinnacle can continue to ignore such a failing beats me!). However, now use WinDV as suggested above to capture all video. WinDV is also better since you can just leave it to run (Studio stops after 15 mins). FINALLY - i can create decent size films. Thanks to all above
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Super8
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3. January 2006 @ 06:12 |
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Re: lizmik's comment about Pinnacle 10.2 patch on Dec 27. I think it was my mistake or typo. The latest 10 patch is 10.1.2, not 10.2.
I don't think Pinnacle will fix version 9 now that 10 is out there. I returned 9 and received a refund and bought Studio Plus 10. Mostly it works very well for what I am trying to do. I have patched to 10.1.2.
However, from the start, the Import DVD Titles has not worked properly for DVD's I created on a TV DVD recorder (I am in the NTSC area). When imported, the sound is interrupted by short breaks when viewed in Studio and many times it cannot even be viewed and crashes the program. Strangely the MPEG file made by Studio, plays OK (without the sound problem) using a different DVD playing program. If I import the DVD title to MPEG using the free program DVDx, it works perfectly in Studio, so that is an easy work-around. (DVDx has the advantage that you can import only part of the DVD if you want) Other DVD titles made on my computer using programs other than Studio, do get imported OK, so it may be something to do with how my TV machine makes the DVD files.
Also, I found that short 15 second video clips made with a digital still camera, are very slow to process when creating an ouput file. The clip will start to render normally and get slower and slower until it is down to taking 2 seconds to render one frame. There is not much CPU activity or memory usage, but lots of disk activity and sometime Studio crashes. It seems the files from the still camera are 25 frames per second and I guess Studio is translating them to 29.97.
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lizmik
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3. January 2006 @ 06:54 |
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Super8: Pinnacle is working on patch 10.2 according to their webboard/forum. They indicate they are looking for Beta Testers. I am a newbie, but maybe some of the more advanced users can help with Beta.
Here's some info directly from the board:
Straight from the Pinnacle Web Board:
http://webboard.pinnaclesys.com/read_messages.asp?WebboardID=1&Fo...
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Topic: Pinnacle Announcement - Studio 10.2 availability
Posted By: Travis White, Pinnacle Systems - Product Manager
12/30/05
As this coming update to Studio 10 is strongly needed, there will be no work on Studio 9 until after its release. We do not have a comfirmed schedule for Studio 9 at this time.
12/19/05
Pinnacle has investigated and reproduced a number of user reported issues with Studio 10.1.
Pinnacle is developing a Studio 10.2 update. Among the issues addressed by this update are:
- Long program load time
- Program responsiveness and performance
- DVD creation/compatibility
A beta version of Studio 10.2 will be available to the public in early January 2006, and a release is planned by the end of January 2006.
We are seeking a limited number of customers to participate in a private beta test of Studio 10.2. Please email rollade@pinnaclesys.com to apply
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rp_024
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3. January 2006 @ 07:07 |
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LOL, I trashed 10 after I tried importing AVI and mpeg with no success. 9 Plus keeps ticking though. I've had no problems whatsoever with 9 Plus at all. I unlocked every possible code in 10 and still couldn't get the damn thing to recognize the videos.
Waste of time. Pinnacle "Gates'd" us. Sent out a beta version to collect more dough, all the while they still hadn't even perfected 9. I guess lucky for me at this point I've had no problems.
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7. January 2006 @ 16:11 |
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...Interesting, Studio 10 won't even *run* on my HP laptop running WinXP Home. So I switched to Ulead...But even that won't see my Sony Handycam...
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selimap
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13. January 2006 @ 10:47 |
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Studio 8 came with my PC. It wasn?t great, and was decidedly unstable and buggy, but it was my first video software and I created some ok movies eventually. I decided to upgrade to Studio 9 plus. Why, when other products had a better reputation? As far as I could see, all my earlier work would be incompatible with another product, .stu is a proprietary format.
Naturally I installed latest version 9.4.3. 9 Plus seemed good, Lots of nice features, crashed when editing occasionally but always recovered OK.
Sop I learned all the tricks and got ambitious. After about 100 hours (really) creating a great movie of our Sri Lanka trip, I tried to render. It freezes after almost 29 minutes. (It?s a 55 minute film.). There is oodles of disk space. I try rearranging the clips, it still stops after the same time, so it?s not any particular scene. I try all sorts of stuff. Delete the aux files and recreate. Stop every other process and application from running while I render. ETC ETC. Nothing helps.
I put in the details to on-line support. The automated response says I will get a reply in ?3 working days,. Of course, that time has long been and gone., They just don?t care. Maybe I?ll take them to court. But I?ve promised to show this film to my bird club and I can?t cut it. I took a weeks? holiday to do some of it, I can?t repeat that.
The solutions offered, recapture using a different product, won?t help me. Good if you basically just copy to disk, I guess. The problem is losing an enormous amount of editing I?ve done, and no time to do it all over again. Does anyone believe Pinnacle will offer a fix for 9.4.3. or a free upgrade to 10 ? they don?t even answer communications.
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chippawa
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13. January 2006 @ 12:59 |
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Just a thought, selimap, there's a tutorial at http://vfwtech.com/Liquid/Tutorials_pinnacle.htm that shows how to use Liquid Edition to import Studio 9 projects. What use is that? I hear you ask? I have found that Edition will render when Studio gives up, so you may be able to save your 100 hours (I believe you!) of work by buying the Edition (now Avid Edition 7) upgrade. More money out the door, but what price do you put on your 100 hours? (I'm not an Avid/Pinnacle employee - just as disgruntled as you with them, but I found a way out of the mess)
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selimap
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13. January 2006 @ 13:06 |
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thnaks v much for the idea. If nothing else works - but I hate the thought of giving yet more money to Pinnacle
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harvo7
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14. January 2006 @ 11:55 |
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Selimap,
My situation was just like yours. I managed to go back from 9.4.3 to re-install version 9.3 following the lead from others here, and it worked, hence all my efforts were saved afterall.
Good luck
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selimap
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17. January 2006 @ 10:38 |
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I uninstalled 9.4.3, defragged disk, reinstalled 9.3 + Bonus contnts from DVD/CD... now when I try to start Studio Plus it just encountrs and error and closes down.
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hartjan
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21. January 2006 @ 22:10 |
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Here is a workaround for the blocking rendering problems with Pinnacle 9.4.3.
Do NOT start generating DVD (image or direct burn on dvd). Instead of that start with generating AVI files. Pinnacle prompts you, where to store thes AVI files.
Even generating AVI may stall; but the advantage is that when generating stalls, Pinnacle has already rendered and saved a part of your film in AVI format!
When rendering stalls, start a new project from this this point on and generate again a (second) AVI file.
Go on with generating AVI files until you cover your whole film.
When you have done this, start a new project using all the previously generated AVI files and generate an new AVI file of your complete film.
Next step is adding a menu with chapters to the AVI file.
After adding the menu, you can now generate a DVD image.
My advise is to make an image in stead of directly writing to dvd.
Last step is to burn your dvd. I did this with Nero to avoid any problems with Pinnacle.
Remark: Be sure you have enough free storage space !
Generating AVI consumes much storage space (1 hour film = 10 Gigabyte) Probably you create several versions of your project. At least you generate all separte files that were required to cover the whole film and one AVI file of the complete film without menu and one with the menu. On top of that you also need 4,7 Gb for the DVD image.
Of course you can throw away some initial AVI files after succesfully generating the complete film. But for security reasons I prefer not to do so before having the final result.
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selimap
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22. January 2006 @ 01:29 |
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Thanks for detailed suggestion, I'm beginning to understand what you mean. I'll pursue this route and report back...
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astalker
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22. January 2006 @ 01:37 |
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Thanks also for the help. But I'd much rather Pinnacle got themselves sorted out, and gave us a working piece of software.
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selimap
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22. January 2006 @ 01:44 |
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me again... the created AVI file had 36 mins, wmp gets to about 31 loses sound and then shows a 'can't play' error. Opening the file as a new project i.e. like a captured video, detects all the scenes and stops at a much earlier point than the AVI itself. If I drag all the scenes to the project timeline, how will this be different from my original start point, except I will have lost the menus, multiple layers etc? Wouldn't it be the same as just chopping the original project into a number of small chunks?
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