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ok with rush hour 3 i picked the first widescreen title(theres four titles two fullscreen and two widescreen) and it played back fine using clonedvd 2 + anydvd doing the movie only with Shoot Em Up i used the first title(theres two titles) doing the movie only using clonedvd 2 + anydvd and it played back fine also

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Do you guys seriously drop the compression down to 50%? How does that look? Doesn't that make the picture look pixelated(I think thats how you spell it?)I would rather have the movie only and stay with high quality. I even cut out some of the credits to make the quality higher. The lowest i've gone is 85%. If I want the whole movie, I would get some dual layer discs.

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I tried CloneDVD2 as suggested but being the adventurous type, I selected all 4 movies instead of just one to see if that would work and the backup looks just fine. No more jittery, halting playback. I guess Shrink just wasn't able to handle this title for whatever reason. I'm glad I decided to buy Clone with AnyDVD way back when. One of you wise Afterdawners suggested getting both at the time so I did. I often wondered if I'd ever actually use it. Thanks for the tutorial link too ZOSO. It made the process a snap after being so used to shrink. Have a great new year!

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Nowadays with newer drives & newer media, 4X is not necessarily the best speed to burn at anymore. You have to try it out & find out which works for your drive/media combination. Generally a good rule of thumb is half the rated speed of the blank discs, notice I said generally.

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Nowadays with newer drives & newer media, 4X is not necessarily the best speed to burn at anymore. You have to try it out & find out which works for your drive/media combination. Generally a good rule of thumb is half the rated speed of the blank discs, notice I said generally.

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You very may be correct. I know people that burn at max and generally have no problems. I just happen to have a " better safe than sorry" attitude and it hasn't let me down yet. That's not to say you can't go faster. My habits are certainly not to be considered the end all, be all by any means. What works for me, may not be the best for the next guy. Experimentation is many times what allows us to help each other out in these forums.

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Never suggested you change, that would be personal choice,(if it ain't broke don't fix it). As this is an open Forum, just supplying information for others that might read this, that is correct & can be backed up if necessary.

EDIT: Initially I was replying to bean55's post.

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Quality is defined by successful interchange, not by functionality in one or two drives. Powerful error correction methods are used in CD formats that can flawlessly read a disc containing a 1 mm hole. 1X test drives might indicate that this disc works great, but problems can become fatal at higher speeds.

Flaws become serious above 40X speeds for many reasons. One is the channel bit rate of 4.3 MHz at 1X that multiplies to 173 MHz at 40X. The same powerful error correction methods that tolerated the 1 mm hole at 1X may not be available in higher speed drives. Inexpensive integrated circuits used for error detection and correction are speed limited. When used in 40X and higher speed drives, their error correction capability may be only one-half their 1X capability.

Although spindle speed is a maximum of 580 rpm in a 1X drive, it becomes 13,950 rpm at 24X and 27,900 rpm at 48X. Hard drives run in sealed enclosures at lower speeds. CD drives are not sealed. Minor physical unbalances in the CD disc can be ignored at 1X speeds. These same unbalances result in large radial forces at high speeds that wear out spindle bearings and cause radial displacement of the disc. Such displacements strain servo systems that must maintain proper focus and radial position of the laser spot to within a fraction of CD track spacing values (0,0016 mm or 0.000063 inches).

Radial, focus, and spindle speed servo designs may be compromised in high speed drives. All CD drives must properly play CD-Audio discs which require 1X spindle speeds. Therefore each servo loop in a 40X reader must function over a 40:1 range. Compromises can be avoided by switching analog loop filter components, but this may not be done for cost reasons. Digital servos may be required to achieve proper performance.

Vibration is always an issue in CD players, and rubber bushings and sound-dampening ceramics or fiberglass are used to control the effects of vibration. High spindle speeds and disc unbalance often result in excessive vibration, higher jitter, and increased error rates.

Center hole diameters of the disc are allowed to vary between 15.0 mm and 15.1 mm. The disc is mechanically clamped during rotation, and the radial servo compensates for any eccentricity resulting from the spindle-to-center hole misfit. Stable mechanical clamping at 1X may become unstable at higher speeds. Sudden radial motion of the disc may exceed acceleration specs of the radial servo, resulting in loss of lock, mistracking, and severe read errors. Discs with 15.02 mm center holes might not have this problem at 40X while those with 15.09 mm center holes could be unusable at high speeds.

Comprehensive quality measurements are necessary to confidently predict successful operation of CD discs in a wide variety of drives. In the absence of proper quality methods, users should be surprised when the discs actually work in high speed players, not when they fail.

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That says about CDs, but certainly cn transpose that for DVDs.I know is all a mombo-jambo technical stuff, but basically, the faster you burn, the likelihood of an error occuring increases. The faster you burn, the strain put on your drive increases, to compensate any discrepances, any disc errors, information flow. It also increases the wear/tear of your drive.

Your Mini Cooper might be able to go over 120 mph, I just wonder how long would it last at that speed, and how long would the driver be able to control it. Just because it can happen, it doesn't mean is the best way to do it.

Burning at X4 might be a little over the top, but it certainly would not hurt. Persoally, I always burn 1/2 the rated speed of the disc.

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Never suggested you change, that would be personal choice,(if it ain't broke don't fix it). As this is an open Forum, just supplying information for others that might read this, that is correct & can be backed up if necessary.

EDIT: Initially I was replying to bean55's post.

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My apologies if you misunderstood my intent. I wasn't questioning your method and I didn't intend to imply that you were advocating changing my method. I intended to welcome your thoughts in regard to there being more than one way to accomplish your backups. When I said " Experimentation is many times what allows us to help each other out in these forums" I was defering to the advice you offered and wanted to make the point that if not for individuals like yourself who have tried, proven and shared your methods with us all, this forum would not be the gold mine of valuable information that it is. In short, thank you and everyone else who have taken the time to help thier fellow Afterdawners.

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It never ceases to amaze me that people are so willing to share thier experiences for the benefit of others

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