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5. September 2007 @ 17:29 |
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PIF(failure) is the most importantthing on the scan....you can have some spikes in it but you dont want them to be real high... i think the standard for them is like 10 anything over that is getting to be bad. but 1 here and there its not gonna hurt the quality of the disc. mess up the scan but the disc should be ok. when you get alot of PIF's the disc tends to be hard for your dvd player to read it... if you look at that scan i just posted i have a max of 2 on the PIF's and a total of like 400 or so i dont remember and cant see it here at work.
those numbers there i would take every scan.. you can have a high total amount(say 2000) and a low max(2) and have a good disc.... if you are getting some high PIF's and your worried about it do the SCAN DISC test on it.. that checks to see if there is a problem reading the disc....it should be all green boxes when your done with the test...
BUT most of all remember this.. these scans arent the final answer..they are something to give you a idea of how the disc should preform.... the best test is if you can play it fine with no pixelation freezeing up skipping ect... and if you can rerip it and get a good copy.... playback is the most important thing of all.. the scans are fun to look at and gives us alot to talk about but i wouldnt hold anything concrete in them...
hope this helps ya some... ill try and find the link i first read breaking down the PIF's and PIE's what they mean to us... i post it later when i get home if i can find it
to be honest if you look at the first nero cd/dvdspeed test thread i think on the first couple pages i posted that same link im talking about now...
ok can i breath now???lol
docTY where ya at??? just posted one of your type post...lmao
edit to add this (dont want to be a post padder)
try this link here it talks about the PIE's and PIF's i think it is the link i was wanting but its the very begining of it.. its alittle long but alot of good info in it and explains better than i can..
http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Home-PI_...troduction.html
edit to add this
i stands corrected allready..lol
this is from that link. and is for liteon drive and useing K-Probe.
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Use this as a guideline for good discs:
PI (Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.
PIF (Parity Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4 PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 4.
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5. September 2007 @ 17:52 |
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Does any 1 know if having an external burner standing vertical or laying horizontal has any affect on performance?
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5. September 2007 @ 17:55 |
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@cincyrob
I think there is another, more extended version of the scan description directed more to the CD/DVD Speed program on 'Freaks also. I remember poring over it until my eyes glazed over (and still didn't understand!).
I didn't see(or just plain missed it) in your link any mention/explaination of PIOs. I've seen someone encounter them but I just know they are a bad thing.
And since I'm in a sharing mood, here's a new TY I that just came out the oven.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/...2xBurn16xTY.png
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5. September 2007 @ 18:24 |
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Originally posted by c1c:
Does any 1 know if having an external burner standing vertical or laying horizontal has any affect on performance?
c1c I don't know much about external drives. I would think that the drive should be horizontal like the manufacturer intended unless the drive is made to "stand" up. :) The discs spin anyway you put them in there and centrifugal force should do it's part I think. ;) I would try some experimentation and see if you have any problems with recording vertically or horizontally. I would think a few scans could tell you something. :)
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5. September 2007 @ 19:23 |
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OK get ready for some COOL scans and some NOT so cool scans. LOL.
As most of you know I recently purchased a SATA Samsung SH-203B and LG GSA-H62N. I've "wanted" something that would give me BETTER burns and therefore better SCANS. :) IS that really possible?? Anyway the results follow. :) btw I used a Lite-on LH-18A1P for all scanning at 8X. :D
asd TDK 003 @8X QS90 Sammy
cnr TDK 003 @8X QS95 LG
gs MCC03RG20 @8X QS93 Sammy
sos TDK 003 @16X QS93 LG
th MCC 03RG20 @8X QS95 LG
wh TDK 003 @18X QS93 LG This one reached 17.6X... :) 5:10 to burn w/ IMGBURN
fc TDK 003 @18X QS95 Sammy This one reached 17.9X... :D 5:12 to burn w/ IMGBURN
wh RICOHJPN R03 @8X QS90 LG
wh RICOHJPN R03 @8X QS08 Sammy This is the one I mentioned earlier. :) Played ok (only one "skip" during movie) but "crashed" when the movie finished....
For some reason these drives don't like the RICOH media from what I can tell. I have some burning to do before I "decide" on the performance of the media. My friendly little docTY once told me some drives take a few burns to get accustomed to certain media. I was hoping this wasn't that media. LOL.
On the other hand they love TDK media (go figure!!!) [Don't tell creaky....hehehe]
At this point I'm pretty pleased with both drives. :D I haven't had that many burns to really give an accurate account of how the drives will perform but they are GOOD afaik. :D
...gm
almost forgot...
I did a couple of burns with the IDE drives to see if there was something up with the media and I think there is but LIKE I said I have more burning to do. :)
wh RICOHJPN R03 @8X QS90 LH-18A1P
wh RICOHJPN R03 @8X QS95 Pioneer DVR-112L v.8.21 This is why I like these drives. I may end up with a Pioneer DVR-212 before it's all over. LOL. Great drives and handle the "tuff" stuff pretty well. :D
edit: wrong numba....lol
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6. September 2007 @ 08:26 |
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cincyrob,gm
thanks for the explain pi and the links
edit i got the new drive yesterday, but now i am leaving for vac. i dont even have time to install it. bummer
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7. September 2007 @ 10:12 |
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7. September 2007 @ 10:36 |
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@cincyrob
Oooh, I like the look of your PIEs! :-P
Where'd you find the MIJ Maxell printables? Are they a recent purchase or off your stockpile?
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7. September 2007 @ 11:41 |
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well santa kinda sent them to me from texas walmart....lol he knows who he is.. and yes they are nice looking
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7. September 2007 @ 12:50 |
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A walmart! Did he just "hook" them off the shelf or did he have to "slice" thru the blue vests to find them? ;P
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7. September 2007 @ 17:01 |
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id say he got lucky and stumbled across them.. about a month ago in my walmart(the one my wife works in) i found 3 25 ct boxes of the same stuff 8x+r mij hub printable maxell's didnt buy them but i did find them in th emiddle of some 16x media... so the 8x media is still out there here and there...
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7. September 2007 @ 19:06 |
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Looks like it's time for me to do a little browsing at walmart.
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7. September 2007 @ 21:19 |
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Browsing for what?? You looking thru the women's under garments again Hobbit??? LOL
Got a couple to add of the MCC 004 (prodisc or MBI made, + on inner clear hub)
Scanned with LH-18A1P @8X
burner: Pioneer 112D@Pioneer DVR-112L v.8.21 @ 8X
wh MCC 004 QS 93
burner: LG GSA-H62N @8X
wh MCC 004 QS 90
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8. September 2007 @ 03:49 |
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8. September 2007 @ 04:47 |
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Careful greensman, someone will take a niblick to you! LOL |:-)
Good scans to both of you, though I prefer cincyrobs. I'd much rather have the lower PIFs over the lower PIEs.
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8. September 2007 @ 05:06 |
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Originally posted by hobbit112:
Careful greensman, someone will take a niblick to you! LOL |:-)
Good scans to both of you, though I prefer cincyrobs. I'd much rather have the lower PIFs over the lower PIEs.
Hi ;-)
Unfortunately you cannot really compare these scans.
As different scanning speeds are used.
This alone favours cincyrob, in terms of figures.
As this gives the drive more time to deal with PIE. Which in turn should give lower PIF.
Although 4x scan is not 'cheating'.
In fact I still believe that this the correct speed for Lite-Ons.
8x should only be used with BenQs.They can cope. :-)
BTW they are all good scans.
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8. September 2007 @ 05:17 |
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Thanks zebadee for the info. Learning as we go. :) So you would recommend scanning on a Lite-on at 4X then?? I'm so impatient that I want it done yesterday. LOL. I'm sure that you understand that. :D
I've been reading at our "other" forum and I have so much to catch up on. Loads of info about so many drives and different media. :O
I've started another thread on media here at AD. (and drives too really) Trying to get a catch all media thread besides just the TY thread. I think the TY thread is an essential thread but I hate posting stuff there about Verbs and other manufacturers. :) link Yep shameless plug!!! LOL.
I have some other scans to post as well as some more burns to do. NO time on my end of the puter. LOL. Work (yep 4 letter word) is kicking my booty and the kiddies are driving me insane, like I had that far to go. :)
Sorry bit off topic rob.....I'll do better next time. :)
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8. September 2007 @ 06:21 |
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not ruffling my feathers..lol im here to learn anything can. i enjoy everything we talk about in here...... until ya start pickin on my REDS...lol... will do a few more scans later
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8. September 2007 @ 06:38 |
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Hi ;-)
GM, the only reason I can see for scanninig @ 8x. Is because you can.
OK it is faster & therefore easier.
But if you want to scan with any resembalance of Quality to it. Then 4x is still the way.
With BenQ you can go one better ...... 4xCLV.
But for most users & I guess most of the time 8x is OK. Just that if you want to compare. Then try & have as level ground as is possible.
Edit : - In truth scanning with domestic drives is pretty rough at the best of times. But it is relative of course.
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8. September 2007 @ 10:37 |
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I'm back from a trip to WallyWorld where I picked up some maxell 8x MIJ printables. As a matter of fact, all their maxell printables, both +R & -R, were MIJ. Not cheap tho, could have gotten TYs cheaper but I haven't tried this media before, so I said, WTH!
Did a little comparison on scanning speeds too!
8x +R Maxell printable baked to a delicate crunch @ 12x, scanned @ 4x on Lite-On LH-20A1S:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/...xBurn4xscan.png
Same disk, scanned @ 8x:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/...xBurn8xscan.png
These are sweet discs too(thanx for mentioning them cincyrob!).
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9. September 2007 @ 19:14 |
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9. September 2007 @ 21:41 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
not bad at all. what ya think greensman?
That's a loaded question I know it. ;P They look pretty danged good to me. :D You gonna add some more later?? hehehe.
Got a couple meself.
All scanned with Lite-on LH-18A1P @ 8X unless indicated otherwise
wh MCC 004 Pioneer QS 93 8X burn
mtr MCC 004 LG QS 93 8X burn
big MCC 004 Sammy QS 93 12X burn 4X scan
big MCC 004 LG QS 93 12X burn 4X scan
Here's the kicker...
Scans 1 and 2 are "Prodisc" MCC 004's and the 3rd and 4th scans are of "CMC" MCC 004's. I like the LOW PIE's of the "Prodisc" but the lower PIF's are winning me over. :)
...gm
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10. September 2007 @ 03:30 |
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@greensman
recheck those CMC MAGs in 3-4 weeks. I used some Memorex CMC MAGS about 4-5 weeks ago, rechecked 1 the other day and PIEs & PIFs have shot up. Got a quality score of 70. I don't keep initial burns unless I get at least a 90.
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10. September 2007 @ 11:17 |
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@hobbit,
I should have explained a little better. :) Verbatim outsources some of there line of discs as you well know. :) The CD-R line is outsourced sometimes to CMC MAG which shouldn't surprise anyone. BUT they (Verbatim) also outsource to Prodisc and CMC MAG for their MCC 004 line of DVD+R discs. I think it goes further than that but I can't recall and I'm having a bit of trouble finding the link (webpage) that indicated these claims. :)
....gm
edit: Finally found it. :) here's the link..it has a couple more links to other pages but there they are...... ;D
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10. September 2007 @ 12:16 |
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@greensman,
Yeah, I knew that. I guess I slipped a cog and thought you had burnt some Verbs that coded out as CMC MAGs(not the MCCs).
So much for the short-term memory! :P
I had some Printable Memorex CMC MAGs where I got some good burns a month or so ago. As I said above, I did a recheck of one and the quality had degraded to a 70, played another that had some slight issues at the menu.
I will be tracking those down and rechecking all (thank goodness it was only i cake box) and probably reburning.
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