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8. October 2007 @ 09:21 |
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i Doubt or hope they dont, verbatim are gonna phase out the singapore DL disc... just dont make to much since to do something like that .. they have the market all to themselves right now in the DL land
@cincyrob,
I ferverently hope they don't also.
But why else would we be seeing Verbatim India DLs in the states unless they are trying to free up capacity? I could see them switching the Singapore facility over to HD DVD and/or BlueRay production since that facility has the most experience producing a quality dual layer disc since HD & BD are also dual layer.
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8. October 2007 @ 18:31 |
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@Hobbit
i agree with what your saying there,but on the other hand they are makeing more money with the small amount of DL(singapore) than they are with there SL disc.and if they got to a inferior product with the inda media they will lose alot. just my speculation thats all. kinda look at it in the money way of things. plus i dont think the hd/blueray is doing that good....
i havent bought alot of DL disc to really worry about it, mainly cause they cost so much.... i did do another one of those windata 8x+rDL's i got from microcenter. i will post the scan in the morning.. its not pretty but it plays fine, right now any way, who knows what it will do tomorrow...lol
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8. October 2007 @ 19:47 |
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@cincyrob,
Been thinking about the Verbatim issue and think I have a better explaination.
I bet Verbatim is fazing out the MKM 001 2.4x DLs and moving to all MKM 003 8x DLs at the Singapore facility, just like the demise of the 8x SL discs. They can charge more for the 8x discs, at least they currently are, upwards of $2 per disc, non-printable.
I don't fully agree with you regarding Verbatim losing alot of money with an inferior 2.4x product, what's their competition? Ritek? CMC Mag?
Looking again at dutch44's post he says that he is trying to burn these 2.4x DLs @ 8x and frankly my Benq DW1655 won't burn these @ 4x, much less 8x, its' not an option. I think I have Ck's enhanced f/w installed. Maybe if he burned @ 4x he'd have better results.
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8. October 2007 @ 21:06 |
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Originally posted by hobbit112:
@cincyrob,
Been thinking about the Verbatim issue and think I have a better explaination.
I bet Verbatim is fazing out the MKM 001 2.4x DLs and moving to all MKM 003 8x DLs at the Singapore facility, just like the demise of the 8x SL discs. They can charge more for the 8x discs, at least they currently are, upwards of $2 per disc, non-printable.
I don't fully agree with you regarding Verbatim losing alot of money with an inferior 2.4x product, what's their competition? Ritek? CMC Mag?
Looking again at dutch44's post he says that he is trying to burn these 2.4x DLs @ 8x and frankly my Benq DW1655 won't burn these @ 4x, much less 8x, its' not an option. I think I have Ck's enhanced f/w installed. Maybe if he burned @ 4x he'd have better results.
You're probably right about that, but I'd been buring the MIS discs at 8x successfully with relatively good scans. However, my scans of the MII discs are uniformly horrible. And the burn that failed at the layer break was attemped at 2.4x on my LG GSA-4120B burner. My burning habits and choice of discs did not change; what did change was the country of origin of those discs, and I'm seeing a marked drop in quality with bad scans, coasters, and even gross blemishes on at least one disc. This is not the Verbatim I'm used to.
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8. October 2007 @ 22:38 |
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Originally posted by hobbit112:
@cincyrob,
Looking again at dutch44's post he says that he is trying to burn these 2.4x DLs @ 8x and frankly my Benq DW1655 won't burn these @ 4x, much less 8x, its' not an option. I think I have Ck's enhanced f/w installed. Maybe if he burned @ 4x he'd have better results.
OK, here is a burn using Verbatim DVD+R DL 2.4x media at 2.4x, using my BenQ DW-1640:
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb294...DLIndia28u2.png
The scan is a little better, but there's still a significant spike at the layer break. Worse yet, note that the scan never finished. I received an error message that said "no additional sense information." I even did the Nero quality scan at only 2x. I'm so disappointed with Verbatim right now.
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8. October 2007 @ 23:52 |
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Originally posted by dutch44:
You're probably right about that, but I'd been buring the MIS discs at 8x successfully with relatively good scans. However, my scans of the MII discs are uniformly horrible. And the burn that failed at the layer break was attemped at 2.4x on my LG GSA-4120B burner. My burning habits and choice of discs did not change; what did change was the country of origin of those discs, and I'm seeing a marked drop in quality with bad scans, coasters, and even gross blemishes on at least one disc. This is not the Verbatim I'm used to.
dutch don't dump Verbatim yet. :)
Did anything change besides the country of origin?? MID, write speed, burner settings, anything that would cause such discrepancies in "quality"?? YES I've read your post but I want to make sure it's the medium before anything else is determined. :)
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9. October 2007 @ 03:47 |
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@dutch44,
Those MII Verbs don't happen to have 2 hub codes do they, 1 on top and 1 on the bottom?
Can you photo scan the blemished disc and post?
Are you in the 'States? Where did you pick them up?
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9. October 2007 @ 07:08 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
Originally posted by dutch44:
You're probably right about that, but I'd been buring the MIS discs at 8x successfully with relatively good scans. However, my scans of the MII discs are uniformly horrible. And the burn that failed at the layer break was attemped at 2.4x on my LG GSA-4120B burner. My burning habits and choice of discs did not change; what did change was the country of origin of those discs, and I'm seeing a marked drop in quality with bad scans, coasters, and even gross blemishes on at least one disc. This is not the Verbatim I'm used to.
dutch don't dump Verbatim yet. :)
Did anything change besides the country of origin?? MID, write speed, burner settings, anything that would cause such discrepancies in "quality"?? YES I've read your post but I want to make sure it's the medium before anything else is determined. :)
..gm
Well, I haven't dumped it yet, but the initial results aren't looking good. I've been consistent with how I've done my burns, so I'm sure it's the medium. The only changes I've made have been in response to the bad burns, such as burning at slower speeds and using my backup writer. I'm still getting bad results and now have 3 coasters and 3 poor burns in 6 attempts. Of course, even if it is the media, there could be other explanations. Maybe it's a bad batch. Or maybe since the media is now made in India, there are subtle changes in the writing strategy that would benefit from changes in firmware for the burners. Both my burners are older models that no longer have new firmware being developed for them, so I've just placed an order for a Samsung SH-S203B SATA writer. I'll try some burns with that and post my results. Wish me luck!
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9. October 2007 @ 07:22 |
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Originally posted by dutch44:
Well, I haven't dumped it yet, but the initial results aren't looking good. I've been consistent with how I've done my burns, so I'm sure it's the medium. The only changes I've made have been in response to the bad burns, such as burning at slower speeds and using my backup writer. I'm still getting bad results and now have 3 coasters and 3 poor burns in 6 attempts. Of course, even if it is the media, there could be other explanations. Maybe it's a bad batch. Or maybe since the media is now made in India, there are subtle changes in the writing strategy that would benefit from changes in firmware for the burners. Both my burners are older models that no longer have new firmware being developed for them, so I've just placed an order for a Samsung SH-S203B SATA writer. I'll try some burns with that and post my results. Wish me luck!
I was just curious if anything in the media might have changed besides the Country of ORigin. Is it still the same rating speed wise and the EXACT same MID?
I agree on the "new" drive theory but if the MID hasn't changed then I'm not sure it would make a huge difference. ;) The drives you have received their last "update" almost a year ago if I remember right, maybe even longer. :S
Your choice on the Samsung SH-S203B is a good one I think. I've been messing with mine the last month or so and hobbit112 has one too. :D I think his results have been more than acceptable with relation to DL media. BUT you'll have to ask him to verify. :D
....gm
I'll post something later tonight, MAYBE even a DL burn.....ooooooooo!!! hehehe...
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9. October 2007 @ 08:00 |
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Originally posted by hobbit112:
@dutch44,
Those MII Verbs don't happen to have 2 hub codes do they, 1 on top and 1 on the bottom?
Can you photo scan the blemished disc and post?
Are you in the 'States? Where did you pick them up?
I wouldn't say they have 2 hub codes, but it's definitely a much longer number, written in what appears to be in a slighly larger font, and wraps around 3/4 of the hub. The hub code on the MIS discs only wrap around 1/3 of the hub.
I live in California and bought my Verbatims at Micro Center - 20 discs for $27.99. I've always bought them there.
Here is a scan of the blemished disc:
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb294...ans/VerbMII.jpg
Bob
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9. October 2007 @ 08:13 |
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Originally posted by greensman
I was just curious if anything in the media might have changed besides the Country of ORigin. Is it still the same rating speed wise and the EXACT same MID? quote:
I've just run both the MII and MIS discs through DVDInfoPro and the Manufacturer Code for both came up as MKM 001. The complete media code is exactly the same as well. Both are 2.4x speed.
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9. October 2007 @ 08:20 |
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Originally posted by hobbit112:
@cincyrob,
Been thinking about the Verbatim issue and think I have a better explaination.
I bet Verbatim is fazing out the MKM 001 2.4x DLs and moving to all MKM 003 8x DLs at the Singapore facility, just like the demise of the 8x SL discs. They can charge more for the 8x discs, at least they currently are, upwards of $2 per disc, non-printable.
I don't fully agree with you regarding Verbatim losing alot of money with an inferior 2.4x product, what's their competition? Ritek? CMC Mag?
no thats not what i ment..lol the 2.4DL are good disc by far but if they are switching over to the MII's(india) factory and that brand is gettting bad results, then they would be loseing money with the crappy media and people knowing this and not buying them cause of the fact...
dont get me wrong VERBATIM DL disc are the best DL there is right now. id say (though i havent had any) the MII disc are still better than any other brand out there.. no questions asked....
and if the 2.4dl are being burnt @ 8x.. wow thats way to fast i think.. once again i havent burnt enough DL disc to really say one way or another just hearsay from me...
as a matter of fact let me run that scan on the 8x+r windata i just did.. brb witha scan
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9. October 2007 @ 08:43 |
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Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
Disc type: : DVD+R DL
Book Type : DVD-ROM
Manufacturer: : Ricoh
MID : RICOHJPN D01 067 (43h)
Write speeds: : 2.4 X - 4 X - 6 X - 8 X
Blank Capacity : n/a
Extended Information
Layers : 2
Layer break : 3.77 GB
Write strategies : n/a
Disc Status : Closed
Raw Data
Physical Format Information (00h)
0000 - 01 0F 31 10 00 03 00 00 00 FC 83 AF 00 21 2C DF - ..1..........!,.
0010 - 00 00 03 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 44 30 31 43 40 - ...RICOHJPND01C@
0020 - 25 25 37 10 00 2C 6C 00 2C 6C 20 1F 0C 0C 14 14 - %%7..,l.,l......
0030 - 02 01 01 20 00 20 1F 0C 0C 14 14 02 01 01 20 00 - ................
ok here we go.. it wouldnt scan past the break so that tells ya something right there..lol
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/Cincrob/windata-1.png
and just looking at these disc i dont see any inner code or hub code on them...
but as of right now the disc is playing fine..
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9. October 2007 @ 08:56 |
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@dutch44
I don't have any Micro Centers in my area, will have to search the stores. ;D
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I wouldn't say they have 2 hub codes, but it's definitely a much longer number, written in what appears to be in a slighly larger font, and wraps around 3/4 of the hub. The hub code on the MIS discs only wrap around 1/3 of the hub.
2 hub codes is one indicator of inverse stack process. I'm wondering if verbatim might be testing the process in the India plant, leaving the Singapore plant alone. The inverse stack process is significantly more cost effective, if you get it right. If verbatim can perfect it without people finding out, their profit margins will be huge if people continue to pay the same.
@cincyrob,
You've got to remember that this is 2.4x rated media, if the stuff still burns properly at 2.4x verbatim can say you are exceeding the recommended burn speed, even though some drives can burn upto 8x. I've checked my drives via ImgBurn and the max burn rate on any of them is 4x for MKM 001. Also vebatim has come out with 8x rated DLs which they are trying to sell.
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9. October 2007 @ 09:16 |
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@cincyrob
I get a better burn @ 6x with those RICOHJPN D01 067s, especially on my Samsung S203B, which likes them the best. I haven't been able to get as good a burn on my Lite-Ons, and my Lite-On 20A1S won't scan them past the layer break either. I am able to scan past the layer break with my LH-20A1H though.
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9. October 2007 @ 10:26 |
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RE: MII Verbatim,
Anyone else read this thread at CDF?
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9. October 2007 @ 19:23 |
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Here's a 8x RICOHJPN D01 067 +R DL burned with my Samsung S203B @ 6x, scanned @ 4x with Lite-on 20a1h:
Scan
PIFs & PIEs are elivated compared to verb dls but still acceptable.
Here's a Memorex branded 8x +R CMC MAG M01 burned @ 8x with the Samsung, scanned @ 4x with the Samsung.
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Again, PIEs & PIFs are elevated compared to verbs & tys but still acceptable.
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9. October 2007 @ 19:58 |
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OK, my Samsung SH-S203B burner arrived today. It won't burn dual layer discs AT ALL. I've gotten 3 coasters so far: Verbatim MIS (4x), Verbatim MII (4x), and Playo (2.4x). I used ImgBurn for all burns. Each one failed at exactly 50% and gave me an error message that said 'I/O error: Invalid address for write.' Here is a screen shot:
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb294...ans/ioerror.jpg
The drive is SATA on an ECS 848P-A motherboard with an updated BIOS. I've successfully burned DVD videos and CDs with this drive, so it seems to be exclusively a problem with the layer break. Is my drive broken? How can I tell, other than with these DL failures?
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10. October 2007 @ 05:26 |
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dutch here's a good little read and very helpful I think. There's also a link down the page for a patched version of the f/w. I use it and so does hobbit. :) c0deKing was generous enough to provide the patched f/w and it seems to do just fine. ;D
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10. October 2007 @ 06:17 |
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Have you tried playback? Is it clear, clean & rock-steady or is it pixelated?
(We're getting way off-topic here, btw)
If play-back is pixellated, it might be the way your controller is set up. Go into bios and see if you can set it to ide mode, which I think is required for the Samsung to operate correctly. You have the ICH5 SATA chip which is usually compatable.
Here's one thread to read.
Here's another good reference.
Here's some more interesting reading regarding the 203B & sata controllers.
BTW, if you try to flash and there is an issue with communication between the controller & the card, the flash will fail and most likely your 203b will be placed in "Safe Mode", i.e., unusable but recoverable. You won't be able to open the tray, it will be reported as a cd rom drive in Device Manager and the firmware revision will be reported as "BOOT".
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10. October 2007 @ 10:52 |
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Originally posted by hobbit112:
Have you tried playback? Is it clear, clean & rock-steady or is it pixelated?
(We're getting way off-topic here, btw)
If play-back is pixellated, it might be the way your controller is set up. Go into bios and see if you can set it to ide mode, which I think is required for the Samsung to operate correctly. You have the ICH5 SATA chip which is usually compatable.
Here's one thread to read.
Here's another good reference.
Here's some more interesting reading regarding the 203B & sata controllers.
BTW, if you try to flash and there is an issue with communication between the controller & the card, the flash will fail and most likely your 203b will be placed in "Safe Mode", i.e., unusable but recoverable. You won't be able to open the tray, it will be reported as a cd rom drive in Device Manager and the firmware revision will be reported as "BOOT".
You're right, we are getting off thread, but thanks for taking the time to respond despite that. This will be my last post on this subject.
My DVDs play fine in the drive with no pixellation, my SATA controller is set to IDE mode, and the drive works absolutely fine other than the fact that it completely craps out on burning DL discs on the second layer (ususally at 50%, but I did get one up to 63% before it too failed). The other threads you posted links to were indeed interesting, but didn't seem related to my problem. I'm just going to RMA the drive and see what happens.
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OFF TOPIC IN HERE???????
NOT possible...lol
got a few movies to burn in th enext day or two.gonna use some more of them hub printable mij maxells and the last 2 or 3 richojpn printables.. will have some scans(5 or 6)lol
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10. October 2007 @ 16:20 |
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Originally posted by dutch44:
You're right, we are getting off thread, but thanks for taking the time to respond despite that. This will be my last post on this subject.
My DVDs play fine in the drive with no pixellation, my SATA controller is set to IDE mode, and the drive works absolutely fine other than the fact that it completely craps out on burning DL discs on the second layer (ususally at 50%, but I did get one up to 63% before it too failed). The other threads you posted links to were indeed interesting, but didn't seem related to my problem. I'm just going to RMA the drive and see what happens.
dutch44,
Go here and talk all you want about the subject. :) page for media and drive talk.....:D
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10. October 2007 @ 19:01 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
OFF TOPIC IN HERE???????
NOT possible...lol
got a few movies to burn in th enext day or two.gonna use some more of them hub printable mij maxells and the last 2 or 3 richojpn printables.. will have some scans(5 or 6)lol
cincyrob, if you can, post a shot or 2 of how those ricohjpn print on the label side, I don't think I've seen them. Are those the Dynex?
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12. October 2007 @ 16:25 |
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Here's the latest! A RICOHJPN D01 067 +R 8x DL burned @ 6x with Samsung S203B f/w SB01, scanned @ 4x on a Lite-On 20A1H;
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