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1. October 2012 @ 08:34 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Originally posted by omegaman7: I don't know how to explain it. But the MSI is the only board that streamlined the windows 7 install. When I install the OS now, I start very basic(I only have the essentials connected). And then start connecting devices one by one.
It's not just Windows 7 it also runs faster with XP or whatever... MSI has very well designed boards or at least they used to. Like I said they were not feature rich but they do/did out performed all other boards. It could be due to their firmware setup (BIOS), VIA routing, electrical design, quality components, concepts like less is better, good drivers, or all of the above, but the bottom line is their designers must be much better then the rest.
I love Gigabyte boards but they are some of the slowest out there unfortunately.
Originally posted by omegaman7: I'd be very interested to know what's going on during that waiting period!
That pause is Windows querying the hardware prior to installing their software so that they can install the proper drivers needed before installing.
Mr-Movies,
Could you be a bit more specific about GigaByte boards being some of the slowest out there?
My first GigaByte motherboard, also happened to be GigaByte's first major effort at producing a feature rich, highly overclockable platform. That was the legendary 965P-DS3 v. 1.3. It was the best and fastest 965P board by a wide margin. Even the US version 1.33 was no match for it. Mine was an import from a Canadian dealer, and not generally found in this part of the world. Doc TY sent me a link for it, suggesting I check it out. $99 was a great price at the time so I bought it. It's the first motherboard I had ever seen with a CPU PLL Voltage control, NB/PCIe/PLL Voltage control, and a CPU NB VID Control. After about a year I bought an E6750 with GO stepping, and promptly discovered that the 965P didn't have a 1333 FSB, even though it said so right on the box. GigaByte wound up exchanging the 965P-DS3 for a P35-DS3R, which was the hottest motherboard on the market at that time. It's still running today, but in a new modern case, and is currently running at 4.5GHz on air. He says that it's a pretty competent gamer!
After that I switched to AMD and built the E6750's equivalent to it, the Athlon II 7750BE on a 790X motherboard, which easily ran with the E6750, in spite of 75% less L2 cache. Then I bought a cheap $99 quad core, an AMD Athlon II X4 "Propus". No Black Edition here, so you have to do it the hard way and play with the fSB, and memory multipliers to OC! LOL!! I had a Phenom II x4 955BE in it for a couple of months. Then I had a friend who needed a 955BE, yesterday, and there were none to be had at the time, so he bought my 1090T and I gave him the 955BE for it, his offer. Good deal all around.
I bought this motherboard because I kept having some sort of hardware compatibility issue with the sound on the 790X, and I got tired of the frustration, and bought the 990XA-UD3. End of problem! The first surprise was that it was about 10-15% faster at stock 3.2GHz speed, in the new 990XA-UD3 AM3+ motherboard, than it ran in the 790X, with DDR2. There were also a few new items in the bios, but I haven't really looked at them yet. As far as what it doesn't do well, I'm not a big gamer, so I really don't need more speed, and I've still got 400MHz in reserve to 4.2GHz, if I need it. Nothing slow about this AMD!
Best Regards,
Russ
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1. October 2012 @ 09:05 |
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Would have to agree. Gigabyte basically paved the way for affordable boards that didn't suck. Many fond memories of my 965P-DS3 v1.3. Had a failed component on a v1.0 board and Gigabyte promptly set me up with a v1.3. Good boards.
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1. October 2012 @ 10:40 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis: Would have to agree. Gigabyte basically paved the way for affordable boards that didn't suck. Many fond memories of my 965P-DS3 v1.3. Had a failed component on a v1.0 board and Gigabyte promptly set me up with a v1.3. Good boards.
Estuansis,
I'll tell you what, as good as the 965P-DS3R V 1.3 was, the 990XA-UD3 of today is even better! One of my easiest builds ever! It's fast, quiet, runs cool, and games well, all good attributes to have in a new computer! I didn't buy it to complain about what it won't do, but to praise it for what it does do well!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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1. October 2012 @ 11:08 |
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Likewise why I chose my current motherboard. Fast, reliable, and a platform I am already very familiar with. Don't actually have a thing to complain about on the board. In contrast my CPU has been less than wonderful. While a good chip, it has given me some grief.
Still waiting on a six-core to see what the chip support is like for this board.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
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1. October 2012 @ 12:30 |
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Yeah I know someone who didn't even overclock an MSI board, but put a 140W CPU (as per spec) in it, ran some burn tests on it overnight and the board started billowing smoke. Presumably a faulty unit, but a google revealed plenty of other cases of this.
The uber-cheap bottom end MSI boards, however, have always proven successful in the past for me and my friends.
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1. October 2012 @ 13:41 |
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MSI is a mixed bag. Every mfg seems to be that way though TBH. Will still probably ignore everything but Gigabyte when I go to purchase.
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1. October 2012 @ 13:47 |
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That's been my methodology for the most part since binning the last Asus board back in 2009. Hasn't led me astray yet, although I am always wary about being too reliant on one manufacturer. I was very nearly going to buy a Biostar board for my i5, but they were difficult to find in the UK as it was.
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1. October 2012 @ 14:15 |
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Gigabyte is currently the only company I see as having a "good" reputation. ASUS products continue to fail regularly and Biostar boards usually seem to go the way of MSI boards. Good design, good chips, horrible electrical/cooling setup. MSI boards only being the biggest offender because, as you mentioned, labeling boards as supporting wattage well beyond their design.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
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1. October 2012 @ 15:34 |
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theonejrs, do you know who gave doc ty his nic?
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1. October 2012 @ 16:20 |
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Originally posted by ddp: theonejrs, do you know who gave doc ty his nic?
ddp,
No I sure don't. For a S.W.A.G., I would guess it was probably you! LOL!!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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1. October 2012 @ 16:22 |
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yes. ask him & he will tell you that.
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1. October 2012 @ 16:24 |
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That's a name I've not heard in a long old time, he still about? I assume if so he sticks to the optical media areas?
Actually doing some work (be it the last year of university or now having a full time job) has really cut down on my forum activity. Still, I can't complain, my excessive post count I chose to include on my CV, and it actually helped me get the position over 100 other applicants!
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1. October 2012 @ 16:32 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis: Likewise why I chose my current motherboard. Fast, reliable, and a platform I am already very familiar with. Don't actually have a thing to complain about on the board. In contrast my CPU has been less than wonderful. While a good chip, it has given me some grief.
Still waiting on a six-core to see what the chip support is like for this board.
Estuansis,
Your motherboard is compatible with the 1090T according to the Motherboard page on Newegg. BTW, I've never seen or even heard of a lag when installing win 7. Mine installs right on through. In about 12 minutes, everything is installed, and I can start re-installing programs. I'm super happy with it!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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1. October 2012 @ 16:38 |
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sammorris, doing what?
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1. October 2012 @ 16:45 |
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Support / general admin for a company that deploys Citrix based desktops to SMEs around London. I manage migrations (data export, on-site support & guidance) and remote support etc.
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1. October 2012 @ 16:46 |
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Originally posted by sammorris: Not sure about Jeff, but I think we were both discussing the 5 minute wait period at the splash screen before you install Windows Vista/7.
Sam,
Since I don't use the splash screen, and I don't get anymore than a 10 second delay, while the direct connect architecture is tested. Try turning off the splash screen!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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1. October 2012 @ 16:47 |
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In the installer? How do you do that, surely you'd have to edit the iso of the disc and burn another?
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1. October 2012 @ 16:50 |
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Ehhhh could be worse. I spent a time as tech support for a local ISP, and even less time working as an on-site technician for another ISP.
Seems refusing make up fake, illegal invoices is not an employable skill. Damn shame, as I love working on-site and having a driving route, but did not love the petty theft and highway robbery of less than tech-savvy consumers.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
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1. October 2012 @ 16:52 |
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Yeah being honest and having a sense of morals can cause problems occasionally with what I do, but normally I'm able to work around the issue. Fortunately my manager is of the same mindset (same is true of a lot of things thankfully, which is probably why I was hired), it's just company management that might direct us otherwise.
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1. October 2012 @ 16:57 |
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Well there's shady business when dealing with a small company, and then there's billing individual homes for time I actually spent at another call... Yeah not hard for one of the higher-ups to look into that and find the issue. Rather than cause ripples or risk the small rep I do have, I gave them my two weeks.
And gahhhh, phone support sucks hard.
- Get to work
- Sit and do nothing all day
- Occasionally walk elderly people through basic Windows tasks while being called stupid
- Make minimum wage and go home depressed.
If it makes any difference they were a horrible ISP.
As of currently it's back to night shifts at another seasonal job making decidedly more than minimum wage :P
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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1. October 2012 @ 20:06 |
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Originally posted by sammorris: In the installer? How do you do that, surely you'd have to edit the iso of the disc and burn another?
Sam,
Are you talking about the full screen logo? Look in the Advanced BIOS Features, near the end, and turn it off!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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2. October 2012 @ 02:24 |
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Originally posted by sammorris: Yeah it's a shame Intel switched to Sandforce rather than using their own controllers, but it has brought the continuous transfer speeds way up, and quite interesting, their SSDs still post far lower failure rates than other brands that use the same controllers. It's infuriating as it shows what's possible if other countries paid a blind bit of notice to quality. Fortunately due to the higher importance of what they do and the tolerances involved, the storage industry tend to pay a bit more attention to this than other areas of the PC hardware market, but many SSD brands, particularly OCZ have abandoned it.
Considering how often consumer-grade motherboards and graphics cards in particular fail, it's appalling really.
Considering my PC only has continuous speeds of about 160MB/s read and 35MB/s write, it's still incredibly fast having not been reformatted for a year, loads windows in seconds, and I still have about the fastest loading times for the game that's installed to it of my peers (some of which are other SSD users). Performance isn't really an issue with it apart from one area which is when downloader applications use C: for their temporary storage before writing it elsewhere - then 35MB/s can be a bottleneck when extracting stuff, and I would eventually like a bit more than 40GB, hence eyeing up the 120/180GB 330/520 series drives. Still, apart from that I'm in no pressure to remove it, and I'll certainly reuse it in one of the other machines afterwards, it's a good performing drive.
SSDs or atleast my G2 went for 2 years, atleast with no formats and still performed great, and I suspect I am a bit rougher on mine then most as I have showed no remorse for read/writes. Anything other then bittorent or major ftp originally goes to my ssds and they have held up great. Maybe it was just the controller, but I think people are a bit paranoid on the ssd front in terms of wear and tear.
I am curious though about your choice on the 330/520. Was the size a respective to the models or in general and what has changed between the G2s, besides the controller, and the 330/520 respectively? I am in the market for about 120/180GB as well.
I am debating on going RAID or not as a SATA3 SSD compares to 2xSATA 2 SSDs.
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2. October 2012 @ 02:47 |
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2. October 2012 @ 11:55 |
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the windows 7/vista delay i never had on my DFI mobo, but all the ASUS boards i have had have had it.
interesting list sam, esp with ASrock being top for failure rates consdiering asus are their parent company.
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2. October 2012 @ 11:55 |
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Sandforce is a good controller, I don't think it is a negative that Intel has switched over. For me Size/Price is most important as I've have bought brands that some say are bad and they work perfectly, without flaw! I haven't used OCZ which seem to be considered the worst but I will and I'm sure they will work fine too.
So if you like Intel go with them and the new controller.
As Intel's second SandForce-based drive line-up, the SSD 330s are positioned underneath the SSD 520s as inexpensive performance-oriented alternatives offering SATA 6Gb/s-class performance more affordably. The SSD 330 series is only available at three capacity points: 60, 120, and 180 GB.
The following table allows you to contrast the specifications of Intel's SSD 520 and 330 families, both of which employ second-gen SandForce controllers.
Intel SSD 330 / 520
Compressible Performance (60 GB) (120 GB) (180 GB)
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4 KB Random Read (IOPS) 12,000 / 15,000 22,500 / 25,000 42,000 / 50,000
4 KB Random Write (IOPS) 20,500 / 23,000 33,000 / 40,000 52,000 / 60,000
128 KB Sequential Read (MB/s) 500 / 550 500 / 550 500 / 550
128 KB Sequential Write (MB/s) 400 / 475 450 / 500 450 / 520
The SSD 330s certainly doesn't appear to be hobbled at all, despite Intel's apparent value focus. Because they occupy a space one tier below the SSD 520s, these 330s go heads-up against mainstream SSDs like OCZ's Agility 3 and other drives that combine asynchronous flash with SandForce's tech.
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