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28. May 2011 @ 15:22 |
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What kind of case were these drives in? Heat can certainly corrupt the chips if not cooled well. I've dealt with at least one drive, that was improperly cooled. I learned my lesson with that one.
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28. May 2011 @ 17:15 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
What kind of case were these drives in? Heat can certainly corrupt the chips if not cooled well. I've dealt with at least one drive, that was improperly cooled. I learned my lesson with that one.
Nope again, heat could not have been an issue, no enclosure, open air, and only plugged in long enough to make the backup and check the backup. It also wasn't a full moon the Mayan's calender hadn't run out yet nor do I think Nostradamus predicted it either.
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28. May 2011 @ 18:20 |
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THat's some bad luck for sure :S
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28. May 2011 @ 20:50 |
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Well hard drives are still fine with me, there's nothing wrong with mechanical drives or mechanical anything for that matter, as long as backup precausions are taken. This poster has been around since the days of washing machine-sized hard drives and tape drives with vacuum chambers like in all the good (old) sci-fi films. I am also from a background of backups, not many people i know or knew were ever quite as smart as me when it comes to backups, in fact my backups stopped my previous firm going out of business when our very expensive SAN lost a controller (error in the design meant we lost data, design error wasn't mine i hasten to add). I've had many RAID failures over the years, but it's all about the backup precautions outside of the RAID systems in my experience.
But times change, everyone stick to whatever method(s) they want, but there's no way i'm going back to silly amounts of optical media when good old failure-prone mechanical drives are so reliable. About the only thing that would make hard drives less attractive is if a virus wiped 2TB of long-term collected data, but even then i'd just switch my main media centre PC to linux to avoid viruses. In fact i no longer do any online banking in Windows, sick and tired of Microsoft's slack and lax policy regarding viruses and malware, in fact am half-tempted to believe all the old stories about popular OS'es being deliberately designed with government-accessible backdoors. The good thing about my linux machines or any linux servers i use is that there's simply no viruses, period. If data gets lost under such an OS it's from user error, not some badly designed joke of an OS. Microsoft make lazy OS'es which are great and everything but they are still to this day woefully bad for keeping data safe, and that's the only real reason i have to keep backups, not because hard drives fail (they do of course), but there's far more risk of data being lost due to Microsoft's crappy coding than from mechanical failures. Now can we please stop this ridiculous worshipping of optical media and rubbishing of perfectly good mechanical hard drive tech ?. I know the thread's quiet of late but it's like going back in time 10 years. Those who like optical media, great, and those who like mechanical tech, great, but Mr-Movies, it's like some kind of endless media war around these parts, use what you like but let others use what they like too :), i for one await the day when the last few thousand optical discs i possess are consigned to the great optical graveyard in the sky where they belong.
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28. May 2011 @ 21:08 |
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lets stay on subject, please.
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28. May 2011 @ 22:28 |
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I think everybody has a good point to make, like the creak says to each his or her own, I love these disagreements at times, especially with this thread cause their always civil, many times it's when I learn the most, one can get great input thru these little spats.
Before I end, let me make a quick comment on what sammy said quote:
I think this conversation has run its course. If you have kids and you let them mess around with everything, sure perhaps optical discs are more robust. If you actually have some form of control though, mechanical storage is a lot easier.
If I'm not mistaken sammy, your like what in your twenties, and that's all well and good, I also said before, unless you have kids on your own, you can't make a comment like that, when it comes to PC's I would never fool myself, you have it all over me and always will, your a smart young man I respect and admire that, your also very dry for a youngster, meaning your sense of humor hardly ever gets out of first gear, and I don't mean that's a bad thing, I would much better converse with a dry young smart man than a humorous nitwit.
And I'm only trying to make this comment because I would love to offer you a little bit of advise, and if I didn't care about who you are I would not do it, Iv'e been to the UK several times in the last 5 years, and pretty much your rules are almost the same as ours, my kids are not out of control by today's standards, they would be when I grew up, if I would break something of my Dad's I would get a stern first warning, the second time the belt would come out, a boot up my butt or both, and I'm not complaining, every one I got I deserved, if I didn't than I would have been acting like today's kids, your not even allowed to scream at your kids today let alone give them a smack, these kids can call the cops on you today, and I've seen it happen, and beleive me, this go to your room, or no more tv for a week is a joke, so you do the best you can with todays rules and standards, and it's not easy by a long shot.
Unless you have raised a brood on your own, your comment is unwarranted, you are superior to me with this tech stuff, when it comes to old fashion facts of life you have a long way to go, I would never want you to say something like e.g. having a brewsky in some pub and make a comment like that in front of a bunch of Dad's, you might get more than some raised eyebrows, you might be a little offended at what I'm saying now, but in time I think you will get what I'm trying to tell you.
And yeah I know I'm off subject, but I didn't want to let this one go, sure I could have also pm'd you, but I also wanted some of the youngsters here to catch what I'm trying to say, and last don't forget, I'm saying this cause I like and admire your savvy inelegance, especially one as young as yourself, if I didn't think you were worth it I would never even post this, and hope you take this advise with good intentions.
And sorry there lightning man, I know your trying to get everybody back on subject, but hey a little off subject knowledge is ok sometime I'm hoping, especially on this thread where we all learn a lot from each other, most people in this gang are A1 in my book, so many other threads I visited or joined can't come close to this one. That's all your get out of me on this subject agreeable or not, I've said my piece.
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28. May 2011 @ 22:50 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
I think everybody has a good point to make, like the creak says to each his or her own, I love these disagreements at times, especially with this thread cause their always civil, many times it's when I learn the most, one can get great input thru these little spats.
Before I end, let me make a quick comment on what sammy said quote:
I think this conversation has run its course. If you have kids and you let them mess around with everything, sure perhaps optical discs are more robust. If you actually have some form of control though, mechanical storage is a lot easier.
If I'm not mistaken sammy, your like what in your twenties, and that's all well and good, I also said before, unless you have kids on your own, you can't make a comment like that, when it comes to PC's I would never fool myself, you have it all over me and always will, your a smart young man I respect and admire that, your also very dry for a youngster, meaning your sense of humor hardly ever gets out of first gear, and I don't mean that's a bad thing, I would much better converse with a dry young smart man than a humorous nitwit.
And I'm only trying to make this comment because I would love to offer you a little bit of advise, and if I didn't care about who you are I would not do it, Iv'e been to the UK several times in the last 5 years, and pretty much your rules are almost the same as ours, my kids are not out of control by today's standards, they would be when I grew up, if I would break something of my Dad's I would get a stern first warning, the second time the belt would come out, a boot up my butt or both, and I'm not complaining, every one I got I deserved, if I didn't than I would have been acting like today's kids, your not even allowed to scream at your kids today let alone give them a smack, these kids can call the cops on you today, and I've seen it happen, and beleive me, this go to your room, or no more tv for a week is a joke, so you do the best you can with todays rules and standards, and it's not easy by a long shot.
Unless you have raised a brood on your own, your comment is unwarranted, you are superior to me with this tech stuff, when it comes to old fashion facts of life you have a long way to go, I would never want you to say something like e.g. having a brewsky in some pub and make a comment like that in front of a bunch of Dad's, you might get more than some raised eyebrows, you might be a little offended at what I'm saying now, but in time I think you will get what I'm trying to tell you.
And yeah I know I'm off subject, but I didn't want to let this one go, sure I could have also pm'd you, but I also wanted some of the youngsters here to catch what I'm trying to say, and last don't forget, I'm saying this cause I like and admire your savvy inelegance, especially one as young as yourself, if I didn't think you were worth it I would never even post this, and hope you take this advise with good intentions.
And sorry there lightning man, I know your trying to get everybody back on subject, but hey a little off subject knowledge is ok sometime I'm hoping, especially on this thread where we all learn a lot from each other, most people in this gang are A1 in my book, so many other threads I visited or joined can't come close to this one. That's all your get out of me on this subject agreeable or not, I've said my piece.
I'm with you on that Fred, however my kids don't get away with h@ll nor do my sister?s kids but times have digressed!
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29. May 2011 @ 22:31 |
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I finally Hooked up that NDAS, via that cheap Bytecc enclosure. I stuck a cheap old Seagate 80Gb drive in it. IDE...
Had to do some google-ing, but all in all, I'm impressed with it so far. I'll do some testing on it tonight. Once again, I didn't fully understand what I was buying :S Only ide drives. Although a small enough adapter MIGHT fit in it. Might be pushing it though. The seagate appears to run cool enough though. I'd like to find a cheap 500Gb drive for it though. It's for my mothers network :D
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29. May 2011 @ 23:21 |
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Cheap IDE drive? They don't exist today. A 500GB SATA runs $40 but a 500GB IDE runs north of $80-90 bucks.
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29. May 2011 @ 23:25 |
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Sounds about right :( I've been watching ebay though. I might be able to do better, or trade one of mine for a friends 5000AAKB drive they have :D It used to be mine.
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29. May 2011 @ 23:36 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Sounds about right :( I've been watching ebay though. I might be able to do better, or trade one of mine for a friends 5000AAKB drive they have :D It used to be mine.
I saw a 320GB for $50 on eBay brand new and shipping was free.
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30. May 2011 @ 05:15 |
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30. May 2011 @ 11:23 |
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That's a good deal much cheaper than going with the 570 fermi and I checked some others but that does seem to be the best path for SLi right now. eVGA's have a good reputation from my experience I tend not to buy them though as they also tend to cost more but not in this case. The bigger fan should also equate to a much quieter cooling system.
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30. May 2011 @ 11:38 |
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Yeah brand differences aside that's a really good price for a GTX460.
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30. May 2011 @ 11:45 |
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The GTX460 looks reasonable value. You'll have to keep an eye out on the compatibility issue, as the GTX460 (in addition to all members of the GTX5 series) have a random chance compatibility problem with certain boards, which even a year on, nvidia have not been able to solve. Typically the issue is worse with AMDs which is why I throw caution there. The worst bit is the cards can perform fine for days, weeks and even months, then one day will suddenly stop booting in that system, even if they perform fine in a different PC. Very odd. You may very well not experience it, but it's a cautionary tale to drop at people considering Fermi cards for AMD systems.
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I've heard the same as well. One more reason to steer clear of Nvidia if you ask me. Not to put down Nvidia users, I just won't buy their cards :P
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30. May 2011 @ 15:29 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
I've heard the same as well. One more reason to steer clear of Nvidia if you ask me. Not to put down Nvidia users, I just won't buy their cards :P
Estuansis,
Considering that my HD4670/1GB DDR3 card is the first successful Ati card I've ever owned, and even then it's not 100% successful. I decided to upgrade to the latest drivers, and wound up with a black screen, because the backlight LEDs won't light. I tried the CFL monitor from Oxi, and that gave a black screen as well! I had to go into "Safe Mode" to remove the driver, and re-install the original drivers that came with the card. Works great otherwise!
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30. May 2011 @ 15:33 |
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It's situational really, the Radeons I've used occasionally bug out in games, causing a corrupt mouse cursor until I reboot. Conversely, the geforces some of my friends use also occasionally bug out, but they just crash, and you're forced to reset the computer. I know which bug I'd rather have...
I've troubleshooted graphics for many people over the years, probably hundreds, and I've never seen the issue you had with your sceptre monitor before or since, so I attribute it to that monitor. Most on-CD drivers seem to be crap for either brand, so issues with those don't surprise me.
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I'm a relative noob to ATI cards, i have 4 HD4650's (never really used ATI before that), 1 in each of my kids' machines (XP so no issues there), 1 in the Quad (XP again), and 1 in 1 of my home linux boxes; that one's using Catalyst 9.9 for Puppy linux's 2.6.30.5 kernel. A bit of a pain to get going under twin monitors but it's working nicely now.
My other home linux box is Geforce 6200, under Puppy's 2.6.25.16 kernel, works great over twin monitors. My works linux box is a Geforce 6200 also, though under Puppy's 2.6.30.5 kernel.
I've much more experience with Nvidia cards, going back since forever, i've used most of their models, with XP it's obviously a doddle to get either Nvidia or Radeon working but i've (thus far) found Nvidia easier to configure in linux. (well apart from the 2 week install-hell-fest that it took to find kernels that had the right Nvidia drivers for twin monitors)
edit- haven't used any Nividia newwer than 6200's though, can't comment on newer stuff
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nvidia are better at Linux, that's not even debatable. Windows, however, it's a closer call. I wouldn't say nvidia's drivers are any worse, they may even be slightly better, but in my mind, nvidia manufacture inferior hardware.
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30. May 2011 @ 16:11 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
It's situational really, the Radeons I've used occasionally bug out in games, causing a corrupt mouse cursor until I reboot. Conversely, the geforces some of my friends use also occasionally bug out, but they just crash, and you're forced to reset the computer. I know which bug I'd rather have...
I've troubleshooted graphics for many people over the years, probably hundreds, and I've never seen the issue you had with your sceptre monitor before or since, so I attribute it to that monitor. Most on-CD drivers seem to be crap for either brand, so issues with those don't surprise me.
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This was with the new Asus 21.5" 1080p monitor and the no name one that I got with the eMachine. With the Sceptre I couldn't get 1680x1050 with the HD4650, except if I used the VGA. I didn't buy a DVI video card to use VGA! I've already voiced my displeasure with the Monitor re-build to Sceptre, who have totally ignored my complaint. Considering that it worked perfectly for almost 4 years, with all the use that I give my computer, it was the re-build job that caused the screw up! As much as I love my new 1080p, it's TN Panel still doesn't equal the viewing angles of the S-PVA screen of the Sceptre. The closer you are to the screen, the more noticeable the limitations of the TN Panel are. There is no driver CD for either the Sceptre or the Asus. The moral to the story is, if your Sceptre needs repair, don't waste your time. The quality of the work done by their service techs was piss poor! I would have fired anybody working for me that did such shoddy work!
I have a question for you or anybody else that might know the answer. I have a Dell Inspiron 1318 that has gotten some sort of Malware in it, which resulted in the Windows Vista Ultimate Edition being nackered to the point that the OS will not repair itself because of files that have been removed. Sometimes it will even complete the boot, and lock up the first time you close a window.
I've located a set of Recovery Disks for it that includes the OS, for $30.
http://recovery-disks.com/dell/dell-inspiron-1318.html
If you click the drop down menu for the OS, it lists Win 7 64 bit. Does anyone know if I can use the Win 7 recovery disks in place of the original Vista Ultimate Edition 32 bit, that came installed on the Laptop, or am I forced to get the 32 bit Vista Ultimate Edition recovery disks?
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30. May 2011 @ 16:13 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
nvidia are better at Linux, that's not even debatable. Windows, however, it's a closer call. I wouldn't say nvidia's drivers are any worse, they may even be slightly better, but in my mind, nvidia manufacture inferior hardware.
I agree with that totally.
I know why Russ doesn't like ATI, it didn't dawn on me until I thought of the monitor he uses and likes, Sceptre! I too had problems with Sceptre monitors and ATI years ago before getting away from them. It was that reason and several others like tonal quality, and life expectancy that I won't buy a Sceptre now. So for Russ and his choice in flat panels NVidia really is the only way for him to go.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
nvidia are better at Linux, that's not even debatable. Windows, however, it's a closer call. I wouldn't say nvidia's drivers are any worse, they may even be slightly better, but in my mind, nvidia manufacture inferior hardware.
Sam,
That's precisely why I usually only Buy XFX cards! They are the best when it comes to nVidia cards, although my 9500GT is from MSI and the HD4670/1GB is an XFX! LOL! I have no real complaint with either!
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30. May 2011 @ 16:35 |
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I'm happy with XFX products so far too, they have done a much better job of Radeons than most of the other AMD brands. Unfortunately, XFX's defection to AMD caused nvidia to terminate their contract, so you can't buy XFX geforces any more, not new ones anyway.
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30. May 2011 @ 17:29 |
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I think recovery disks for Vista and 7 are different. I had to deal with that once...
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