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21. June 2011 @ 00:26 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
12TB, 18TB, 24TB, 28TB? What in the hell are you guys storing the New York Library? LOL.
It's possible they got a copy of the new Healthcare bill that Pelosi & Obammy just passed? :) LOL But wait a minute that might not be enough space??
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21. June 2011 @ 00:30 |
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I hate it when that happens, Double Post and I even waited 5 minutes.
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21. June 2011 @ 01:21 |
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I store my DVD collection. Some HD. As I'm sure you can guess, HD takes up a LOT of space. I plan on storing my favorite Blu Ray movies for sure. It's simply more convenient to click click click, and it's playing. I've actually had a few ideas for programs, so when I have guests over, all they'd have to do, is scroll through movie covers, and select a movie. Thereby mounting an ISO image, and playing the movie. VERY similar to how a modified Wii/PS3/Xbox can run. Of course my Programming knowledge isn't even off the ground yet. Fact of the matter is, I haven't found much time to study. I really need to make the time. I imagine there is probably some software out there, that does similar to what I propose.
And, believe it or not, I could probably saturate multiple terabyte drives with Raw image files. I love art, and specific types of imagery. When I get the Dell monitor, I'll begin photoshopping again. My monitor discourages me lately :(
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21. June 2011 @ 01:26 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by FredBun:
12TB, 18TB, 24TB, 28TB? What in the hell are you guys storing the New York Library? LOL.
It's possible they got a copy of the new Healthcare bill that Pelosi & Obammy just passed? :) LOL But wait a minute that might not be enough space??
They hid a rider in the 25th TB allowing hardware upgrades for congressional offices while cutting health and wellness education from state hospitals...
On a serious note, i had an issue recently that i'd like to kick around the forums.
Since SATA drives are hot-swappable, while powered, i plugged in a drive i keep around when i need my snow leopard partition. The instant i plugged in power cable I heard a loud alarm. It was my RAID card alerting me of a dead/degraded drive. After ID'ing the offending drive, i replaced it and rebuilt the array (RAID5) and didnt lose data thankfully.
A day later while testing the "dead" drive, it passed all diskcheck utilities, formats, and has typical I/O characteristics.
The drive that died was on the same (650W corsair)power line (2nd of 4 connections) as the drive i added (3rd of 4 connections). Since it happened at the same time, on the same line, I have to assume its related, but the device powered by the 1st (end) connection is my OS drive i had no issues there.
Am I diagnosing this correctly? Does anyone have ideas why this happened?
BTW..."dead" drive has worked for 8 months, and is a WD green drive that isnt supposed to work in a RAID array but was flashed to do so.
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21. June 2011 @ 01:35 |
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Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by FredBun:
12TB, 18TB, 24TB, 28TB? What in the hell are you guys storing the New York Library? LOL.
It's possible they got a copy of the new Healthcare bill that Pelosi & Obammy just passed? :) LOL But wait a minute that might not be enough space??
They hid a rider in the 25th TB allowing hardware upgrades for congressional offices while cutting health and wellness education from state hospitals...
On a serious note, i had an issue recently that i'd like to kick around the forums.
Since SATA drives are hot-swappable, while powered, i plugged in a drive i keep around when i need my snow leopard partition. The instant i plugged in power cable I heard a loud alarm. It was my RAID card alerting me of a dead/degraded drive. After ID'ing the offending drive, i replaced it and rebuilt the array (RAID5) and didnt lose data thankfully.
A day later while testing the "dead" drive, it passed all diskcheck utilities, formats, and has typical I/O characteristics.
The drive that died was on the same (650W corsair)power line (2nd of 4 connections) as the drive i added (3rd of 4 connections). Since it happened at the same time, on the same line, I have to assume its related, but the device powered by the 1st (end) connection is my OS drive i had no issues there.
Am I diagnosing this correctly? Does anyone have ideas why this happened?
BTW..."dead" drive has worked for 8 months, and is a WD green drive that isnt supposed to work in a RAID array but was flashed to do so.
Now that is too funny I can't stop laughing, way to go!!!!!
As to your problem, you're not hotswapable if you have to plug in the power cable. To be hotswapable you need a controller and drive bay system that supports that. You can't just pull out a drive and replace it just because it is SATA. It is no wonder your system freaked and of course your green drive is good.
Originally posted by omegaman7:
I store my DVD collection. Some HD. As I'm sure you can guess, HD takes up a LOT of space. I plan on storing my favorite Blu Ray movies for sure. It's simply more convenient to click click click, and it's playing. I've actually had a few ideas for programs, so when I have guests over, all they'd have to do, is scroll through movie covers, and select a movie. Thereby mounting an ISO image, and playing the movie. VERY similar to how a modified Wii/PS3/Xbox can run. Of course my Programming knowledge isn't even off the ground yet. Fact of the matter is, I haven't found much time to study. I really need to make the time. I imagine there is probably some software out there, that does similar to what I propose.
And, believe it or not, I could probably saturate multiple terabyte drives with Raw image files. I love art, and specific types of imagery. When I get the Dell monitor, I'll begin photoshopping again. My monitor discourages me lately :(
It would not be too hard to make a little program with VB that would show pages of images that you can click on and launch that movie with let's say Media Player, or whatever. You wouldn't have to start from scratch as you find examples all over the web and could modify other peoples work. It is a good way to get going and you get up to speed faster that way.
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21. June 2011 @ 06:32 |
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rick5446: If you have 25 locally attached drives, then that's damn impressive. If they're just partitions, then you should be able to mount them as folders instead and index them that way, without drive names.
I was amazed that in the years of windows development, we're still stuck with individual letters for drives, it's pathetic.
Mr-Movies: You can use B, that's not reserved, only A. Also, with regard to drives, it's a question of economy, if you're pretty confident you won't need beyond X amount of space, using 2TB drives to do it is far cheaper than using 3TB drives to do it (not to mention simpler to setup) - the only occasions I'd advocate 3TB disks at present are when you absolutely have to keep the case (as it's cheaper to buy a new case than use 3TB disks a lot of the time), and you will be maxing it out with drives, so using 3TB drives affords you more space.
Omega: Plug and play with WD Greens works. Plug and play with RAID? not so much. Is one of the reasons I don't use RAID (but far from the only one), WD Greens are known to be a bit of a pain in RAID, but standalone I've had the most success with them (no failures yet out of 21 of them). As Mr-Movies says, take newegg reviews at a distance, there are some pretty damn stupid people out there.
Fredbun: A 45 minute (hour show minus the ads) TV show in SD might be 350MB in size. The HD version, depending on what quality is available will be between 1.1 and 4.5GB per episode. Apply that to an entire show that's spanned several seasons, you quickly start filling those terabytes.
Mr-Movies: Is a bug with afterdawn, whenever you scroll onto a new page, either your post will be hidden until you post again, or you'll end up with a double post that does it for you. Amazes me that after all this time they still can't get that right.
Deadrum: Not sure what you did, if you just pulled and drive and put another one in, you might have issues. First and foremost SATA is not innately hot-swappable without AHCI enabled, secondly if you have the drives hooked up to molex power (even using molex-SATA adapters) you shouldn't really be hotswapping them at all. I always power off my PC when adding/removing internal drives, the exception being eSATA external docks.
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21. June 2011 @ 10:52 |
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My double post had nothing to do with the scroll bug I closed out and re-initiated several times. I think it has more to do with activity and thread sizes but I don't know what AD is doing or using so that is a lack of knowledge guess.
It's not Kevin either it is Deadrum33 who has had the problem and why you are re-stating what I've already stated that just because you have SATA doesn't mean you are hot swappable is beyond me?
Kevin is smarter going with 3TB for $10 more than he is to mickey mouse around with two 2TB drives, it is pretty plain and simple approach I think! Less is more....
I think Fred understands movie size his point might be you shouldn't need that much space as you may be getting carried away or he is just amazed that you have acquired that much stuff, pack rats are in.
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21. June 2011 @ 11:03 |
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Scroll bug? What's that one?
Quite right, it was Deadrum, I'll edit my post. I didn't exactly re-state what you said, you didn't even mention AHCI.
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21. June 2011 @ 11:11 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Scroll bug? What's that one?
Quite right, it was Deadrum, I'll edit my post. I didn't exactly re-state what you said, you didn't even mention AHCI.
I didn't mention a lot of things as they did not apply like AHCI!!
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21. June 2011 @ 11:21 |
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ahci is needed for hotswapping.
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21. June 2011 @ 11:35 |
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1. Yes I run in AHCI mode
2. SATA power connection, not molex with adapter
Perhaps i jiggled the power cord too much while plugging in the OSX disk
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21. June 2011 @ 11:37 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
ahci is needed for hotswapping.
What are you talking about he is using RAID 5 so Shaffaaf how does AHCI work with that? Please explain becuase I must be missing something here?? Or is it you!
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21. June 2011 @ 11:37 |
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Sounds like you're doing everything right. FWIW though I had a friend of mine kill off a WD6401AALS by doing the exact same thing, and is having it platter-swapped at a data recovery centre to restore the data. I had the policy before this, but I still try never to hotswap internal drives.
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21. June 2011 @ 11:38 |
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21. June 2011 @ 12:13 |
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When I said "NOT plug and play", I was referring to the 3Tb drives. THose are far from plug and play ;) For myself, pretty close, for the general population, not so much :p
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21. June 2011 @ 12:20 |
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I won't hotswap internal drives it is too easy to wipe the drive out even if you are using AHCI those connectors aren't really designed for that. If I choose to have hotswap I use a carrier with a back plane designed for doing just that. When using eSATA I always have the drive powered and cabled up before plugging the eSATA into the PC.
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21. June 2011 @ 12:25 |
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21. June 2011 @ 12:29 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by shaffaaf:
ahci is needed for hotswapping.
What are you talking about he is using RAID 5 so Shaffaaf how does AHCI work with that? Please explain becuase I must be missing something here?? Or is it you!
Correct, the RAID drives connected to the controller card do not care about an AHCI setting.
Maybe i didnt explain fully but i wasnt plugging the drive into the RAID card, i installed a drive normally and in the process dropped a drive from the array. I was questioning how one thing could affect the other and explained why i thought it was a power issue and asked for other ideas to verify/negate my line of reasoning.
EDIT---I will play it safe in the future by powering down, but i wasnt worried about data loss on the drive i was installing. The fact it killed an unrelated drive was what worried me.
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21. June 2011 @ 12:39 |
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Ha ha! Your icybox is similar to my BlackX Thermaltake bay. I love it! Best thing I've bought lately. Though the 3Tb is probably gonna steal that title ;)
Although that cheap NAS enclosure sure is handy. My mother loves it. And it's still working well by the way :p
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21. June 2011 @ 12:52 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
http://www.icybox.com.tw/page/3.5_products/3.5_ib-111stus2wh.htm
Best invention ever :)
And my best ever :)
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21. June 2011 @ 13:00 |
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Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by shaffaaf:
ahci is needed for hotswapping.
What are you talking about he is using RAID 5 so Shaffaaf how does AHCI work with that? Please explain becuase I must be missing something here?? Or is it you!
Correct, the RAID drives connected to the controller card do not care about an AHCI setting.
Maybe i didnt explain fully but i wasnt plugging the drive into the RAID card, i installed a drive normally and in the process dropped a drive from the array. I was questioning how one thing could affect the other and explained why i thought it was a power issue and asked for other ideas to verify/negate my line of reasoning.
EDIT---I will play it safe in the future by powering down, but i wasnt worried about data loss on the drive i was installing. The fact it killed an unrelated drive was what worried me.
That makes more sense, my best guess would be you spiked the power line when hooking up the AHCI drive and it caused havoc with the RAID. I actually have seen that before and had to do just like you and rebuild my array. In the future if you are going to do this again it might be better to hook up the power before plugging in the data line, the drive will be spin up and be ready to go then, but you can still have this problem again even doing that.
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Originally posted by creaky:
Originally posted by sammorris:
http://www.icybox.com.tw/page/3.5_products/3.5_ib-111stus2wh.htm
Best invention ever :)
And my best ever :)
Part of the best invention ever is that it has eSATA :)
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21. June 2011 @ 13:21 |
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Mine hasn't, but that's fine as i'm not a fan of eSATA, i dislike it quite a bit truth be told.
And as for that dual SATA dock i use at work, for instance one of these, fantastic when they work, but found out that they're almost all plastic and a tiny bit of circuitry as the power button disappeared inside one day. Opening up the dock showed why, nasty cheapo constructed things. But function-wise, can't fault them, just a shame they're made so badly. Just glad i didn't buy one with my own money., i bodged the button together with a rubber washer, which was a better job than the original maker had done :p
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21. June 2011 @ 13:35 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I store my DVD collection. Some HD. As I'm sure you can guess, HD takes up a LOT of space. I plan on storing my favorite Blu Ray movies for sure. It's simply more convenient to click click click, and it's playing. I've actually had a few ideas for programs, so when I have guests over, all they'd have to do, is scroll through movie covers, and select a movie. Thereby mounting an ISO image, and playing the movie. VERY similar to how a modified Wii/PS3/Xbox can run. Of course my Programming knowledge isn't even off the ground yet. Fact of the matter is, I haven't found much time to study. I really need to make the time. I imagine there is probably some software out there, that does similar to what I propose.
And, believe it or not, I could probably saturate multiple terabyte drives with Raw image files. I love art, and specific types of imagery. When I get the Dell monitor, I'll begin photoshopping again. My monitor discourages me lately :(
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I know why omeg, I was just busting balls, anyway as you and sammy explained, I do understand how fast one can acquire a lot of space fast especially with movies, something I finally started learning how to do with the Internet, getting movies that way was always Chinese to me, Russ gave me some basics around 6 months ago and of course I'm still learning a lot by trial and error.
I stopped going to blockbuster as they closed the last brick shop in my area, so that much took care of me renting stuff, yeah and I still do the Internet rental from them but way to slow and limited, so yes finally I forced myself to learn how you guys have been doing it for ages, I have a love and hate relationship doing it that way but really not complaining, I am always fascinated at new things, it didn't take long to learn fast as how you get these movies, how, from where, from whom etc. without running into problems, so trail and error you start to pick up on many do's and don't's.
My one of many things I still am dying to figure out are like the different formats, the sizes e.g. how in the hell can a BR download from the net that was only 7 or 8 hundred mb turn to 4gb after converting, stuff like that amazes me, or even vise versa when a download was 8gb than after conversion turns to only 3.5gb even though I have it set for a dvd9, weird, anyway I love learning all this new stuff and one way or another sooner or later figure it out.
My biggest beef is with the subtitles, since all my kids are deaf and my hearing sucks we need them, trying to get the proper ones and especially getting the ones that are synchronized, you wanna talk about a pain in the butt, I always need to obtain at least a dozen if I can and be lucky if one works, yeah it's a pain but I just deal with it.
What does confuse me in all the space you guys need and believe me when it comes to movies I know how fast that space can go, but didn't you guys always talk about external HDD for this purpose than storing all your collections in them, cause the conversations where having here e.g. omeg wants all this space for internals, doesn't that defeat the purpose, and how about the heat inside the case wow, I'm not asking because I'm disagreeing, I'm asking cause what am I missing here.
And last I know it's an old subject we all beefed about before why some of us still use dvd's for movie storage as many here use the externals, it's a great idea I wish I could get into but still run into the biggest problem as you need a pc in every room to do that, Iv,e always complained why can't somebody invent a player that I can just load an external like loading a dvd, yes Russ once did point out that can be done now with I forgot the name of that box you just insert your external and off you go, but you still need a pc nearby to do it, so hey, there's a lot of smart techies here on this forum, invent me a player that I can insert my external without a pc, talk about making a fortune, I have a strong suspicion one will come.
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21. June 2011 @ 13:41 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Mine hasn't, but that's fine as i'm not a fan of eSATA, i dislike it quite a bit truth be told.
And as for that dual SATA dock i use at work, for instance one of these, fantastic when they work, but found out that they're almost all plastic and a tiny bit of circuitry as the power button disappeared inside one day. Opening up the dock showed why, nasty cheapo constructed things. But function-wise, can't fault them, just a shame they're made so badly. Just glad i didn't buy one with my own money., i bodged the button together with a rubber washer, which was a better job than the original maker had done :p
There can be compatibility issues with them as well but even still they are nice to have. I typically use USB dongles that are compatible with 2.5 & 3.5 drives SATA or IDE but if you don't man handle the docking stations and push power buttons through the case they work great. Sorry Creaky I couldn't resist. :)
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