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An idea for the guy who needs to convert PAL to NTSC:
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Sobchak
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20. May 2005 @ 20:34 |
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Hope those sentences weren't too incoherent for you to understand.
Quite coherent, but you're still speaking in 12th grade English to a guy who hasn't got past Dick and Jane -- with AviSynth, anyway.
You've demonstrated the other problem I've had in researching this issue -- I haven't found a guide for AviSynth that starts from a basic level and builds in logical sequence. There are bits and pieces all around. If I understood more about the subject, I could organize them into a logical sequence, but I'm not there yet. I'm not a video expert and don't want to become one. I'd just like to write a script to do this one conversion.
Your post has gone into my file and I'll try to figure out where it fits later. I did find a complete AviSynth script here http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=90816 , but it will require some tweaking to make it work in my situation. I've got a British TV show on DVD in PAL that I want to watch on an NTSC television. My DVD player will not output an NTSC signal from the PAL disk, so I've got to rip the show to my hard disk, do the conversion, and burn a new DVD that outputs an NTSC signal. I can watch the show on my computer right now, but it's not as much fun.
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Sobchak
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20. May 2005 @ 20:48 |
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I'm adding this message to cross-reference this thread to another one that relates to the PAL/NTSC conversion issue. Here is the thread:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/7/88644
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I have found an answer to this. I have tried everything for the past month for this problem. All the software mentioned in this thread was tried. I was not ever satisfied with the results. Jerky playback, digital ripping, block artifacts, and screwed up aspect ratio of 16:9 are just some of the things I was unable to fully get rid of. There is a program out there called SVCD2DVD. Even using this program did not make me fully happy until I tried its V2 RC9 release. The RC9 version added ability to convert PAL to NTSC and NTSC to PAL. This feature was not available in Version 2 RC8 or older. RC9 was just released last month.
So I paid the $20 US price for the full version of SVCD2DVD V2 RC9 and I am impressed and finally satisfied. When I get the files, even XVID, onto DVD it looks like the network made the disk. Some of my XVID where PAL but now NTSC on DVD. No block, nice playback, No digital ripping, audio in sync and best of all aspect ratio is correct in 16:9. The program does some of the steps mentioned before in this thread. It takes the PAL down to 23 fps then it Demuxes. After that it converts PAL to NTSC or other way around. Then it applies pulldown. Finally it puts the audio back with the video. Leaving you with a nice .VOB set. I use DVD lab to make the menus, although SVCD2DVD has a very basic menu thing in it.
Now, the way of using 3 to 4 different programs to do all that would take me almost 4 hours to finish with near ok results. On the same file run through SVCD2DVD in 2 passes it only takes 1.5 hour to complete. Not to mention only changing 3 settings before hitting start. There are talks about this program in this forum. Many say they do not like it but they are not talking about RC9. I agree with what the others have said about it in previous versions of this program. There is a difference of night and day between V2 RC8 and V2 RC9. It's free to try. The demo wills only author 2Gig but gives same results of full. Since I am in NTSC land I have not tried conversions from NTSC to PAL. But there is an option there for it, even in the demo.
I have downloaded and installed the demo version of SVCD2DVD v2 RC9 on my computer. I am flagging this software for readers of this thread because I would certainly be willing to pay US$20 to convert my PAL DVD and avoid the pain of figuring out AviSynth. I will report back on my experiences with the demo and whether I decided to shell out $20.
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rick5446
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21. May 2005 @ 03:33 |
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Hello their..Sobchak
Avi2Dvd.. has the ability to convert PAL to NTSC or vise versa..I used it on a pal movie that would not play on my DVD Player>>it took about 6hrs for a 2 1/2 hr movie (The Aviator)..But it worked fine afterwards..No skipping & good 5.Sur Sound..it has encoders associated with it or u can use outside encoders CCE
I'm tellin YA it really WORKED & its FREE
Might take a little time..but we all got that..if your young U gotta go to work..So start it before u go it will be done when u get home
If your old all u got is time even if the days seem shorter
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Sobchak
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21. May 2005 @ 07:10 |
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yo rick5446 u say it wrks but dont say how same as posts n othr thrds & u use lotz of IM speling whch mks it hrdr to understd wht u talk abt & run-on snetnces 2, mayb s/n mentn othr thred here 2 keep ths therd cleen of unintelligible nonsense.
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rick5446
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21. May 2005 @ 13:09 |
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Yo Sobchak..if u say so..jst can't splain u meen IM speling whch mks it hrdr to understd
mi meen are pal to ntsc
don't use this..therd cleen of unintelligible nonsense..I'm not familiar with this program..plse splain
use AVI2dvd..don't say how cause it is so simple..just start the fricken program & check dvdmode & follow the instructions load 16.9 add job..step 2..step3..step4..don't forget audio stream
Just remember I'm only trying to help..I don't have to do this..so if u would kindly tell me what u are trying to get accross with all that garble..maybe just maybe I'll continue
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Sobchak
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21. May 2005 @ 14:14 |
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..just start the fricken program & check dvdmode & follow the instructions load 16.9 add job..step 2..step3..step4..don't forget audio stream
Oh, I see. Now I understand exactly what you mean. Perfectly sensible.
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Just remember I'm only trying to help..I don't have to do this..so if u would kindly tell me what u are trying to get accross with all that garble..maybe just maybe I'll continue
You've done more than your share already.
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rick5446
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21. May 2005 @ 14:17 |
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Sobchak..Well i don't see plees splain
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Sobchak
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21. May 2005 @ 21:17 |
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Using AVI2DVD is an artifact from the other thread cross-referenced above. If anyone wants to make a run at using AVI2DVD for a PAL to NTSC conversion, there is a guide here
http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/showstory.jsp?storyid=66445
that addresses using AVI2DVD to convert, well, AVIs to DVDs. There is a checkbox under the second tab of the main screen for "Pal/Ntsc Convertion [sic]," but I have not found the conversion feature mentioned elsewhere. Unless you are very adept with DVD terminology, the interface is not particularly intuitive. Here is the entire help file:
Usage :
1) Just load your avi/mkv/ogm (avi mode) or load ifo (dvd mode).
2) Choose your Audiostream.
3) Choose your output type (dvd/svcd/vcd).
4) Pick your favorite encoder (Quenc / FreeEnc / NuEnc / CCE if you own it !!!).
5) Load your Textual Subtitle.
6) Press Add Job and then press GO !!!
7) Burn the generated image.
Tips :
1) In dvd mode (dvd input) you must rip your dvd with dvddecrypter in IFO MODE (www.dvddecrypter.com) .
2) In AVI mode if you have an avi/mkv/ogm with parts cd1, cd2, cd3... you can load as unique AVI renaming the avis like this :
Matrix CD1.avi
Matrix CD2.avi
Matrix CD3.AVI
etc...
renaming your files like this avi2dvd will join these avis automatically and wil produce an unique film .
This is valid also for ogm/mkv.
3) Like the tip 2) if you have an srt/txt with two or more parts and want to join them then just rename them like these :
Matrix English Cd1.srt
Matrix English Cd2.srt
Matrix English Cd3.srt
etc...
Avi2dvd will join these srt.
Contact Info :
Main Site : http://divx.trustfm.com.ru
Mail : avi2dvd@trustfm.com.ru
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rick5446
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22. May 2005 @ 09:22 |
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Sobchak..Hello again my friend..Hello..
Very nice explanation..very intelligible..Why did'nt u just do that in the first place? U seem like a guy whos really a Techno Guru,me I'm just a 3rd Grader..Your my hero !
did u try it? did it work? was it jerky like VOB blanker? which program worked better? was it a true conversion or just a masking? did u have menus? ALL the above was OK for me THANKS A LOT
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gfofiv
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22. May 2005 @ 09:36 |
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Look, all this back and forth crap you 2 are doing is doing nothing for us idiots that need help here. Please stop fugging around, grow up, and continue the adult help you started.
Thanks.
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gfofiv
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22. May 2005 @ 09:51 |
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Oh yeah, I ran the original stated software VOB Blanker, which I believe is the main for this thread.
I have 3 different DVD players and my results are:
1. Samsung DVD-M301 - No dice, does not want to play it. For the most part, this player does not like the majority of my back up DVDs
2. Sony DVP-NS325 - Plays everything, menus, extras, movie, everything, in color, no quality issues except, I have the green glow on top mainly and sometimes on the bottom and intermittent jerkiness.
3. Medion MD 6421 TV/DVD combo - Plays like a charm. No problems at all, nothing. Menus are as if I am playing a regular R1 NTSC disk, or playing the R2 PAL disk on a compatible system.
So what do these results mean? I think the issue everyone has is in their DVD player. My Sony experienced equivalent issues to other peeps here, the green glow. However I had no menu issues, menus were clean, clear, color, and functional. My Samsung just said no. And the last, no name brand POS, played it perfectly. So now I will go buy me a new player. But what I will do is, take a ripped disk and try it out at the stores. If it plays fine, its mine.
Thanks again sadsac
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rick5446
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22. May 2005 @ 09:53 |
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Your right I quit..just havig a little fun..
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Sobchak
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22. May 2005 @ 21:46 |
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I've been dinking around with SCVD2DVD for about an hour. No luck so far. The PAL movie was ripped to hard disk with DVD Decrypter in File mode and consists of multiple VOB files along with the requisite IFO and BUP files. SCVD2DVD doesn't see the VOB files as "assets," only the IFO files. Those don't seem to give it enough information to perform the conversion.
The sticking point for me with SCVD2DVD, as well as with several other methods I've tried, has to do with converting VOB files to MPEG or AVI files. I think there is a trick there I do not understand. Apparently you have got to have an MPEG or AVI before you can run PAL to NTSC conversion; then you have to get the converted file back to VOB to burn the reconstructed DVD for NTSC. I could be totally wrong here. That is just the current direction of my thinking.
It's getting late and I will try again tomorrow with a clear head. Unless someone has a better suggestion, I plan to use this thread as a running blog on my results. When I find something that works, I'll edit out the messages that followed rabbit trails.
By the way, I tried the so-called "patch" conversion method described here:
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=221928
earlier this evening. After applying the "patch," DVD Shrink complained that there was an error in the "expected structure" and refused to run. I think I am going to abandon the "patch" technique because I do not believe it will afford any better results than VobBlanker. Thus far, VobBlanker is the only approach that has given me anything I can play on my DVD player (Panasonic F87), albeit a somewhat jerky conversion.
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SDazed
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28. May 2005 @ 07:29 |
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After reading through all this, I was still left wondering...
Does SVCD2DVD convert menus as well, or is it just A+V conversion?
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Sobchak
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2. June 2005 @ 12:49 |
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I haven't figured out how to use it yet, so I can't answer. Personally, I hate menus and prefer to leave them out whenever possible.
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jontopia
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3. June 2005 @ 13:04 |
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use dvdsanta .it takes a long time but it will work
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rick5446
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3. June 2005 @ 15:48 |
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Styler001
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9. June 2005 @ 20:47 |
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I've tried all different combinations with DVD Ripper to get a "jerk-free" picture, but still have not had any success. All the programs claim to give perfect results, but I have yet to see one. So, I've e-mailed the DVD Ripper people requesting that they provide me with the necessary input and output settings to achieve an acceptable (non-jerky) picture. I told them before I would spend any money on their product, I wanted them to show me that their product really works. I said I would be more than happy to upgrade from the trial version if they can produce the results I'd expect. Now it's just a matter of wait-and-see if they put up or shut up.
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rick5446
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10. June 2005 @ 13:23 |
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Hello there Styler001..have u tried Avi2Dvd..Iused it to convert PAL (The Aviator) to NTSC..I found it did a reliable job..if their was any jerkyness it was not noticeable..the movie played really well..u might give it a try
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Styler001
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10. June 2005 @ 21:24 |
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Does AVI2DVD require the file already be in AVI format, or will it copy it from the VOB file on the DVD to an AVI first, making whatever conversions it needs along the way?
My problem is that I can't get a good first copy from the DVD in whatever file format I choose. They all seem to have some "jerk" to them. I haven't tried out a "normal" DVD to see what success I have, but then again, I don't need to copy any of mine. It's just the Russian PAL ones I need to work with.
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rick5446
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11. June 2005 @ 13:58 |
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Hello Styler001..choose Dvd Mode..follow each file tab carefully..step 1, step 2, etc
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Sobchak
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11. June 2005 @ 18:44 |
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Just found this thread in another forum which may have some bearing on our problem:
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=270937
Haven't had time to address this problem for awhile but may be able to return in the next few days. If anyone has some time, try these steps and see what happens:
1. Demux with TMPGEnc
2. Encode at 720x480, 25, NTSC with TMPGEnc
3. convert 25 to 29.97 fps with dgPulldown
4. Remux with TMPGEnc
Incidentally, I found the glossary at Doom9:
http://www.doom9.org/glossary.htm
to be of great help in decoding posts which assume prior knowledge on the part of the reader.
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rick5446
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12. June 2005 @ 10:35 |
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Here I am again..all this & then what ? I have now converted 4 movies from PAL to NTSF with Avi2Dvd/w CCE 2 PASS..My most recent movie being [Creep 1hr 21min]..total time 4 1/2 hrs..this includes burning at 2.4x..their is no noticeable jerks the quality is very good 25frms 640x272 48000Hz 169kb/s 2chnls to 29.970 720x480 48000Hz 256kb/s 5 chnl
This movie was released in England,by the way it's a very good thriller,same catagory as [SAW]
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Styler001
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12. June 2005 @ 11:34 |
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Hey, Rick. Could you list the exact steps (and programs) you used, from the very beginning to the very end, to get to the finished result? Alot of the talk in this forum is way beyond me, sorry to admit. I seem to come into these conversations totally lost, cuz you guys really seem to know what you're talking about, while I'm just some poor schmuck who wants to get a decent copy of a foreign movie but has almost absolutely no idea how to go about it.
I've got no problem forking out the money for the programs to do this, if I could only get a decent end-result.
Thanks in advance.
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ChrissyBo
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13. June 2005 @ 08:54 |
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I've been dinking around with SCVD2DVD for about an hour. No luck so far. The PAL movie was ripped to hard disk with DVD Decrypter in File mode and consists of multiple VOB files along with the requisite IFO and BUP files. SCVD2DVD doesn't see the VOB files as "assets," only the IFO files. Those don't seem to give it enough information to perform the conversion.
You have two options for this kind of situation. Don't split the VOBs when ripping with DVD Decrypter (i.e you get one VOB file per TitleSet) and then just rename the *.VOB to *.mpg. SVCD2DVD will then process the file as normal. Or use the VOB2MPG program off www.svcd2dvd.com if your DVD VIDEO_TS files are not encrypted.
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