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13. March 2006 @ 17:24 |
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13. March 2006 @ 17:42 |
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The link just has the same Intel sponsored tests. Nothing new.
Without the NF4 chipset or the Optetron the AMD wouldn't be at its best anyway.
It's vaporware until they come to the marketplace.
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14. March 2006 @ 12:29 |
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Absolutely, and it could be a while.
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14. March 2006 @ 17:39 |
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The Extreme Edition of the Conroe processor will operate at 3.33GHz, sport 1333MHz processor system bus and 4MB cache. Thermal envelope of the part should be 95W.
The way I see it, the need for speed race is back on between AMD and Intel so no matter the final outcome, the consumer should be the beneficiary with lower prices on CPU?s currently on the market and faster CPU?s for the just got to have it consumers.
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14. March 2006 @ 19:41 |
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Since the need for speed is on, I might as well jump on the bandwagon! My next purchase will be a 175 Opteron. The FX-60 fell through. The money turned out to be too much for a no warranty of any kind purchase! Would have purchased the 175 today but I just ordered the Sceptre "Widescreen" yesterday so it will have to wait for a little while.
Happy Computering,
theonejrs
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14. March 2006 @ 22:13 |
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what size did you go with? LCD
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14. March 2006 @ 22:31 |
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Hopefully we will see a major price war between Intel/AMD.As we all know, AMD has always had more bang for the buck.Now maybe its Intels turn to give a good price/performance ratio.
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14. March 2006 @ 23:25 |
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conroe.. it;s for real... see you in my rear mirrior!
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15. March 2006 @ 00:35 |
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I can't see AMD taking this lying down. The M2 platform will be out in June, and that will quite majorly kick the behind of conroe since it will FULLY support DDR2 memory, and run with a TDP of around 60W even in high performance statements. The FX-62 will be around in the not too distanct future too.
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15. March 2006 @ 05:24 |
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aabbccdd,
I got a 20.1". Should look good for DVDs!
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15. March 2006 @ 11:06 |
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I can't see AMD taking this lying down.
Probably the feeling Intel has had for a while. LOL Neither camp is going to take the opposition's advances lying down. To maintain the top market share, Intel needs to have some bragging rights. And for AMD to chip away at Intel's market share, they need to have some bragging rights; which they've had for a while now. Without the competition we consumers wouldn't have enjoyed nearly as many advancements in PC development as we have in the recent past. I suggest we cheer for both sides. LOL Shop wisely. ;)
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15. March 2006 @ 11:47 |
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Regarding the test between Intel?s new Conroe core and AMD?s FX60.
Intel is definitely headed in the right direction but the test that they did was seriously flawed for a number of reasons.
1. The CPU that Intel used was an engineer?s model, which is always made up of the best of the best off the line. One can only imagine how many chips were tested before that one particular chip was chosen. Also engineer models have unlocked clocks, which places less stress on the front side bus and memory during over clocking this means that everything could have been over clocked except for the CPU. Lower the clock multiplier and increase the memory and front side bus speeds. The opposite however can also be done.
2. For instance the memory divider on the AMD could have been dropped to 333 MHz and the HTT to 3X while the front side bus speeds are being increased. The clock speed of 2.8 could be reached but it would be seriously affected by a loss in memory and Hyper Transport speed, which would create a bottleneck for a two core AMD system. And if an Intel chip can be binned for quality then the opposite is also true because there are variances in performance even within a particular line/model. Another point that was missed is that the FX60 easily over clocks to 3.0 GHz. My system?s memory with at 400 MHz mem divider, Hyper Transport at 4X, front side bus at 240, and the clock multiplier at 11X result in a 2.640 GHz.
3. Now if we do all of that with the FX60 with the only difference being its clock multiplier of 13 it would reach a speed of 3.12 GHz. I think that might be a bit high for even the FX60 but it would be nothing for it to hit 3.0 GHz because that would only require that the front side bus be only turned up to 231 MHz. That?s well below what I?m currently running mine at.
4. Now let?s look at chipset! Intel chose a board that used the slowest possible chipset for a dual core AMD. It was buried in a DFI smoke screen but the ATI chipset and crossfire setup is not on par with the Nv4 chipset. If Intel had selected a board with the Nv4 chipset and then ran two of the single but fastest cards things would have come out differently.
What is happening is that Intel is trying to stop the bleeding through marketing propaganda. Why? Because AMD has been making real gains in the consumer market and taking profits from Intel and Intel has nothing equivalent to offer consumers at this time. So Intel?s solution is to cast doubt into the minds of consumers just long enough for them to release their new product. And even if it?s not better or only just as good, it?s still Intel inside and that will be enough for many. Conroe is expected to hit the market in the next 6 months and that will tell the real story. By then AMD might also have something to release to the market to surprise Intel with. Whatever happens if Intel takes the lead and I?m ready for a new build then I?ll go Intel but for now I?m still happy with what I have. But in the end a speed contest between Intel and AMD has got to be good for the PC enthusiast.
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15. March 2006 @ 12:18 |
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@Sophocles,
I'll take your word for it!!!
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15. March 2006 @ 12:48 |
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We can speculate either way as to what the vaporware is all about. Best to look at the Conroe info as an ad release till we see some concrete reviews. Tests can be skewed, even by the so called unbiased sources. So take a look at what is being tested and how, and by whom. Sophocles spoke of an engineer's model. We have no idea of what went into selection. Granted, Intel and AMD are going to put their best foot forward. Neither is against a little advertising hype and neither are the proponents for each against pointing that out about the other. So, we can imagine Intel didn't use the worst CPU they'd tested. Once we wade through the would have, should have, could have, what do we have left but speculation at this point and what the ad release said. ;) It's still wait and see.
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15. March 2006 @ 12:52 |
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15. March 2006 @ 12:55 |
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LOL If it gets any hotter, somebody is going to get burned. ;)
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15. March 2006 @ 13:20 |
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Water cooling isn't that much better than good air cooling such as the Zalman CNPS7700 or CNPS9500. I have both of those. I feel confident that either of those two would keep the FX60's heat within a very comfortable range. The real problem after heat is stressing the memory and since the FX60 comes with an unlocked clock multiplier that's not an issue.
I believe that if Intel and AMD each had an engineer rep for that test, Intel would have lost.
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15. March 2006 @ 13:29 |
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http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/01/10/amd_athlon_fx_60_dual_core...
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And indeed, we were able to hit 2.8 GHz 'only' when running on default voltage and using AMD's reference cooler design. This represents a 7% increase, while the Pentium Extreme Edition 955 achieved clock speeds that were 13.5% faster. However, investing some more money in a liquid cooling solution can allow for clock speeds up to 3.0 GHz.
Above is where I got that information on the water cooling and like you mentioned, I'm sure a good heatsink and fan combo could do nearly as well. :)
As far as the test is concerned based on a Conroe @ 2.66 vs an overclocked FX60 @ 2.8, Intel should have lost, but the results showed otherwise. I can't wait for a random store bought chip to make it's way to the market for some real comparisons without Intel's or AMD's fingers in the mix! <G>
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15. March 2006 @ 13:38 |
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I read the article at tomshardware and liguid cooling is nice but before you make a judgement read some articles about the CNPS7700 compared to liquid cooling. It really does get quite close.
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15. March 2006 @ 13:40 |
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Above is where I got that information on the water cooling and like you mentioned, I'm sure a good heatsink and fan combo could do nearly as well. :)
As you can see, I agreed with you in the statement above. :)
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15. March 2006 @ 13:45 |
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No worries, I'm just yanking your chain a bit. brobear will tell you that I like to do that a bit to stir things up, and he'd be telling you right now but I'm yanking his on another thread.;)
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15. March 2006 @ 15:59 |
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As though I'm not doing any yanking. LOL Guess what got in the other day for my latest project? It ends with CNPS7700 . ;)
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15. March 2006 @ 16:17 |
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I've got so many fans on this last project, I hope it doesn't launch when I hit the power. LOL 7 fans total counting the case, power supply and the CPU FHS.
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15. March 2006 @ 17:49 |
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To All,
IT'S HERE!!!
When I got home this evening, there was a rather large box in front of my bedroom door. The Sceptre Naga III is here. Newegg does it again! It was ordered yesterday (Tue.) morning. Before I installed it, I went into the video settings and changed the frequency to 60 Hertz. That was all I had to do. I fired it up and it came on at my present resolution 1280x1024. No flickering what so ever! My PCI 5200 has digital output but my AGP 8x doesn't! I'll just wait for whatever I get for the new build and hook it up analog. I was pleasantly surprised to find that now it lists 1680x1050 so I set it to that.
There are not enough words to tell you how great the picture quality is. It's just beautifull. The screen height is the same as my 19" flat screen (15 3/4") CRT except that now the picture is 17" wide in stead of 14 3/8". I popped in Spy Kids 3 2D and was just blown away. This is a must have for anyone who wants to invest in a widescreen 20.1" monitor. I don't think you can beat it for the price Text is crisp and clean and the colors are just amazing with no bleeding or over luminance or chroma. I will enjoy this for a long time to come. I highly recomend it!!!
Very Happy Computering,
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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15. March 2006 @ 18:13 |
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Why don't you send it to me so I can compare it to my CRT monitor? I promise to send it right back on a slow mule through the Great Plains. LOL By the way, I have this little bridge in Brooklyn... On a serious note, it would be interesting to see what you're praising. Too bad you don't live in the neighborhood. I've not seen one of the Sceptre's on display anywhere. So, I'm unfamiliar with them and no way of making an informed decision on one as far as purchasing.
As for Newegg making a 2nd day delivery, it should be easy for them with your being in the same state. Make that on another side of the country in a rural setting and their shipping times will vary to some extent, sometimes 5 to 7 days depending on when the order was placed. Sophocles commends them on their customer satisfaction. I consider a bit more in satisfaction than ease of returns. Difinitely one of the criteria though. Sometimes the shipments from Newegg lag and their prices aren't always the best. So, I suggest users shop around among the top vendors. Tomshardware has a good search engine for components and lists best prices and reputable vendors. When I was doing my last project, I found most of my merchandise using the engine and the prices were noticably lower to Newegg's. So much lower in fact that I purchased elsewhere. So far, they've been as courteous or more so than Newegg. Newegg made a name for their company, now it seems they're cashing in on it. In other words, if they're as good as reputed, their prices should be better. Another source for good buys and reputable dealers is with sales search engines such as Bizrate. If the prices are close, I might go with Newegg, but most of my recent purchases were too high at Newegg.
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