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1. June 2006 @ 11:36 |
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sammorris,
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Hmm, dodn't realise the 940 was quite that good, I've not seen anyone else use one.
Yeah well leave it to me to be the square peg in a round hole! I guess I'm not a "me too" person. I like the idea of taking something that isn't common and doing something with it to make it perform better. Witness my 3.0 Prescott. I don't know anyone else in the forum that has one! While not a top performer, it's still a very fast and capable machine. That's what I expect from the D940, which BTW just arrived!
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1. June 2006 @ 11:44 |
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Cool, good luck, let us know at here and hounds how you got on.
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1. June 2006 @ 17:04 |
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@sammorris,
Do a lot of googling to search for your cooler.
Read the test results for as many as you can.
I am looking at buying one in the near future and have exhausted just about every review site I can find.
So far the one that catches my eye is the Scythe Ninja.
Specifications:
Model Name: SCNJ-1000
Manufacturer: Scythe Co., Ltd., Japan
Compatibility:
Intel:
Celeron (socket 478) all speeds
Pentium 4 (socket 478) all speeds
LGA775 (socket 775) all speeds
AMD:
Sempron (socket 754) all speeds
Athlon 64 (socket 754) all speeds
Athlon 64FX (socket 754) all speeds
Opteron (socket 939) all speeds
Opteron (socket 940) all speeds
Heatsink Dimensions: 110 x 110 x 150mm
Weight: 665g
Recommended Fan Size: Comes with 120 x 120 x 25mm fan clip
Included Fan: 120 x 120 x 25mm, Noise Level: 23.5dBA, Air Flow: 46.5CFM, Speed: 1,200rpm
A small snippet:
Silent PC Review
"The Scythe Ninja is an excellent HS that can be confidently recommended for the most demanding CPU cooling challenges at truly whisper quiet noise levels when mated with the correct 120mm fan. Overclockers will be delighted with the Ninja as well; with even moderate airflow it should be able to tackle all manner of hot processors. In the right case, like an Antec P180, the Scythe Ninja is just about perfect"
Full review here:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article251-page1.html
Just be careful to note the size of whatever cooler you like to make sure it will fit.Fortunately the location of my CPU on this mainboard is fairly central and I have heaps of room, and my case is wide also so height isnt a problem either.
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1. June 2006 @ 20:25 |
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crowy,
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"The Scythe Ninja is an excellent HS that can be confidently recommended for the most demanding CPU cooling challenges at truly whisper quiet noise levels when mated with the correct 120mm fan.
You might want to re-consider that cooler and check Tom's Hardware's CPU cooler tests. The top coolers were the Zalman 9500LED and the Vapochill Micro-Series. I would buy one of those before I would buy the Scythe. The Vapochill, if you don't have the room for the 9500 is a very good choice. It has a liquid in it that turns to vapor from the CPU heat which carries the heat through the heat pipes to the cooling fins. Then the vapor then condenses and runs down the sides of the heat pipes and collects in the bottom as a liquid, to do it all over again! It finished ranked right behind the Zalman.
Just thought you might like to know.
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theonejrs
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1. June 2006 @ 21:04 |
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1. June 2006 @ 21:09 |
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1. June 2006 @ 21:46 |
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@theonjrs,
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It has a liquid in it that turns to vapor from the CPU heat which carries the heat through the heat pipes to the cooling fins. Then the vapor then condenses and runs down the sides of the heat pipes and collects in the bottom as a liquid, to do it all over again!
This isnt quite true(unless your using an AT mainboard).
If the liquid ran to the bottom it would be sitting at the lower side of the heatsink because heatsinks for the main part are mounted horizontally not vertically.
This might explain it better:
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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1. June 2006 @ 21:53 |
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1. June 2006 @ 21:55 |
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crowy, I think thats what he ment. Thats what a heatpipe does.. It goes without saying being vertical or horzontal. everyone knows that.
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1. June 2006 @ 22:03 |
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@theonejrs,
Just finished removing the fans and are sealing up the case now LOL!!!
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2. June 2006 @ 00:07 |
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crowy,
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This isnt quite true(unless your using an AT mainboard).
If the liquid ran to the bottom it would be sitting at the lower side of the heatsink because heatsinks for the main part are mounted horizontally not vertically.
You have to forgive me on that one. I'm a Desktop case man and prefer them to towers. This is only my third tower case ever! I just like the fact that you can put the monitor on top of it and you use up a lot less desk space in the process. There's also more room in most good desktop cases because of the drive layouts. Problem is is that desktop cases are rare these days and the selection when available, is very poor!
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heatsinks for the main part are mounted horizontally not vertically.
You have that backwards. They are mounted vertically (up and down) not horizontally (side to side)! You must have caught my Desktop case Ietus!!!
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theonejrs
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2. June 2006 @ 00:13 |
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2. June 2006 @ 00:47 |
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And here:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1963142,00.asp
AMD has said it will follow the quad-core chip with a move to a redesigned processor architecture around 2008 or 2009.
Meanwhile, rival chip maker Intel, of Santa Clara, Calif., is also working to deliver quad-core chips in 2007.
So far, Intel has shown off a quad-core Xeon, code-named Clovertown.
Following a logical progression, eight-core PC processors may become possible with the next generation of manufacturing technology, 45 nanometers, which Intel said it expects to begin rolling out some time in 2007.
OK, so dual core/dual processor boards are coming.
Then Quad core processors are coming.
So why not Quad core/Quad processor mainboards?
Then Eight core/eight processor mainboards?
24 Memory slots
PCI express@96x
Quad power supplies(or just one big mutha!)
Like the one here:
This would probably need to be mounted outside the house
and connected via the optional extension cable pictured here:
And here is the prototype:
(The size is the main issue at the moment as the manufacturers admit )but are working on getting it down to a size that will fit in the average backyard.
And of course the case fan:
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2. June 2006 @ 02:55 |
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crowy,
Intel won't catch up truely until they do something with their front side buss! 1066MHz ain't gonna do it. Not with AMD's Hyper Transport which makes their FSB effectively 2000MHz. Quad Core and the situation even worsens for Intel. They would still be stuck with the 1066 bus while the AMD would effectively be zipping along on a 4000MHz bus! Better yet imagine Dual Quad Cores on a 2 socket motherboard, which AMD is helping develop with the MB manufacturers right now! Imagine the advantages to having one of those! Want to take bets that it will be forward compatable with the coming Quad Cores. Imagine the thru-put of an 8000MHz bus cause that's exactly what they'll have with that MB.
Hey man, I own two Intels. One by accident and one because I wanted it(the D940)! So, I don't consider myself and AMD fanboy. But these are the facts. I like my 3.0 Prescott and I'm looking forward to the new D940 build. In the end, we'll see how it all comes out!
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theonejrs
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2. June 2006 @ 04:01 |
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@theonejrs,
looking forward to the next 5 years!!!!
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2. June 2006 @ 04:27 |
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2. June 2006 @ 04:39 |
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Might get one of these!!!:
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2. June 2006 @ 07:42 |
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crowy@2104 & Theonejrs@0025: Yeah, but I want a cooler I know is going to fit, and I'm going compact. I don't really want a huge imposing cooler with a 120mm fan. I want one that's not going to end up coming off either. Me, freezer 64 Pro, still. Cheap, effective and silent.
Tokijin: I thought that article was a bit pro-vista, but tbh, THG aren't usually like that, they really aren't.
Crowy@0447: Lol, cool PSU.
crowy@0839: Yeah, you notice 64GB of RAM and a 160GB hard drive... that's the $99 of the $18,499.
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well its June guys anybody know when this month that AMD is going to have that price drop. iam getting the AMD Opteron 175 Demark either way price drop or not
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2. June 2006 @ 11:34 |
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You may want to grab one quick, they won't be around forever.
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2. June 2006 @ 12:45 |
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sammorris,
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crowy@2104 & Theonejrs@0025: Yeah, but I want a cooler I know is going to fit, and I'm going compact.
Check out the Vapochill Micro Series, it's small and quiet and is close in performance to the Zalman 9500. Very nice design too. Stay away from something called the V8! I forget who makes it but this thing is unbelievably cool looking with a cover that makes it look like a little V8 motor. Unfortunatley the only thing cool was it's looks as it finished last in the tests by a wide margin!
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Might get one of these!!!:
Like sammorris said, get two! Charge it to DFI as a work project! He He!!! Personally I would forget about the Tunig. It weighs just a hair under 800g without the fan. It makes the 9500 look like a lightweight.
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2. June 2006 @ 12:50 |
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Yeah I heard the V8's rubbish. I did look into the vapochill micro before voting for the freezer64, I think. There was something that swayed me, I think it was the noise.
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Here it is here,
made by EKL.I read about this one too some time back.
Certainly looks the part but couldnt find any favourable reviews at all.
@theonjrs,
Lets not get back on the DFI v ASUS thing!!(Having lots of fun with this DFI Genie bios though.Got the computer to boot at 2.84GHZ but immediately crashed when windows opened.)
Not really concerned about the weight of the cooler as I wont be moving the computer around at all and have already considered placing a support
under the extreme end of the heatsink.That weight you were talking about (798grams) is without the fan!!
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2. June 2006 @ 19:15 |
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crowy,
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Lets not get back on the DFI v ASUS thing!
Just joking!! It,s just most people here think you work for DFI. If you do, that's cool!!! If you don't. well.... People will always think that you do.
You should have shown the pic with the cover on. It's pretty wild looking. It's a damn shame, it just doesn't cool!
Got my Zalman pointed in the right direction after discovering that it was in backwards. Mumbers are on DVDH.
The reason I brought up the weight is that a cooler that heavy once you've added a fan could very easily crack the MB around the area of the CPU socket just from the side load. If you go that route, you might want to consider a leg to the bottom of the case to help support it.
After putting the Zalman in properly, it now idles at 46C and encodes at 52C in a 21C room. This is a 3.0/800 Prescott we're talking about, so it's hot to begin with. My encoding temps dropped 10C from the way it was installed before and 16C lower than at stock 3.0 settings while encoding. all this after being on for over 8 hours. You know which cooler gets my vote!!!
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@theonejrs,
Actually I do work for DFI,my real name is Oskar Wu..........JUST JOKING!!LOL.
Wish I did work for them,a free mainboard here and there would be nice.
Have a read about Oskar Wu on the net.He used to work for ABIT but went to DFI and became their chief design engineer.He has created some of his own bioses for some of the DFI boards that are optimized for certain types of RAM,unfortunately my value select isnt one of them.However when I decide to upgrade the memory I will do some research into which RAM has his bios support and consider going with that.
Ive already got the extra support for the cooler worked out.
I will use a wooden support to avoid any issues with static electricity.
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