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yeah, I know where you're coming from. I got one of the good E6600's that will run at 400mhz x 9 buss speed. works out perfect for my memory since it is running at 800mhz (2x400) with the fsb:dram ratio at 1:1. too bad you can't use a cpu multiplier of 8. then you could set the fsb at 400mhz giving you a clock speed of 3.2ghz and you could run your memory at 800mhz at 1:1 fsb:dram ratio.
I know when I was playing with OCing my rig, up to a little over 3.2ghz the memory performed better OC'ed but as I went up from there, untill I reached 3.6ghz (400fsb which is where my memory runs at it's rated speed at 1:1), it performed better a little underclocked. even at 900mhz I was still able to maintain timings of 4-4-4-12.
I determined on my rig that the closest I could keep my memory to 800mhz whether it be OC'ed or UC'ed it performed better. example: at 3.24ghz (360fsb) it performed better at 720mhz than it did at 900mhz.
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8. June 2007 @ 14:57 |
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Mort81,
Here's both 3DMarks, both at 800x600. the first one is the memory set at 728MHz at 4-4-4-12.
The only change for this one is raising the memory speed to 910MHz and changing the settings to 5-5-5-15!
That's a significant difference! I'm just trying to understand what's making such a huge difference at the same resolution and the same CPU speed!
BTW! What is a safe limit on the memory voltage?
Best Regards,
Russ
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Don't be bombing my single core preferences lol.
I loved the 4000+. And to my knowledge you all used to be saying how AMD's dual cores and single cores were faster than Intel's at that point. I can agree that in most intensive applications that the D940 will demolish a 4000+. Only thanks to Dual Core. But you have to look at the inescapable speed gap in single core apps which, in this world, are still far more common.
At that point it's like comparing a 640 to the 4000+. Then the win is far in favor of the AMD component. And the A64 X2 was the clear winner over the Pentium D because of the superior speed of it's single core counterparts.
Don't you guys get me wrong. I LOVE the Pentium D line. They were, and still are, wicked fast and very powerful. I think they would have seen more mainstream popularity if Intel had held off a year or so before releasing Core 2 Duo. In fact, I would have been just as happy buying a Pentium D vs the Core 2 Duo. Not as blazing fast but as theonejrs has shown us; They can can still haul ass when it counts.
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UPDATE! I just ran Sandra 2007 Pro on both computers which are stock. The D-940 does 14,400 MIPS @3.2GHz while the 4000+ does 8,770 @2.4GHz!
Theone. Your Pentium D only won out over the 4000+ because of the extra core. Especially in arithmetic benches. I would be surprised if it lost. But if you half that you get around what a 640 would get. And that's what you get in general computing(most games, 3D work, etc.)
That's why I always used to(before C2D) say that AMD was better for gaming and Intel was better for video work.
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theone,
I can't remember what memory you have and the brand and model is not in your sig.
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Estuansis,
I was just "funnin" with you. You are absolutely right. Sam has it as only being able to beat out a 3000+, but in reality the performance of an A64 3800+ is slightly slower than half of the speed of a D-940, and it's not too far off the mark of a 4000+ either. Like I said I presently own both although the 4000+ is presently for sale. It's a very nice, very fast single core machine in a MB that's better than average. Uses DDR400, has Sata 3.0, 16x PCIe, 1x PCIe, 2 PCI and 2 IDE connections for 4 drives. It will sell pretty quick for about $450-$500! The 4000+ doesn't overclock very well, but most times the higher end chips don't overclock well. It's way better at games than just about any single core Intel!
Best Regards,
Russ
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8. June 2007 @ 16:34 |
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Mort81,
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I can't remember what memory you have and the brand and model is not in your sig.
That's what happens when you are half asleep! LOL!! I updated my sig to reflect both the brand (G. Skill) of memory, latency (Cas4) and the settings (5-5-5-15)! Runs very nice at 910MHz. Any ideas as to what is a safe memory voltage. I don't want to burn something out!
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Russ
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you guys make einstein look foolish.. there is no way in hell icould ever do what you guys are doing. hell i dont even understand ahlf the stuff you all are talking about...lmao. im just gonna buy me a system with the c2d in it and just and some more mem and my liteon burners...
WOW you all do amaze me. its a honor to even be talking in the same forum as all of you guys/gals
if i may quote some one...lol
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cincyrob,
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you guys make einstein look foolish.. there is no way in hell icould ever do what you guys are doing. hell i dont even understand ahlf the stuff you all are talking about...lmao. im just gonna buy me a system with the c2d in it and just and some more mem and my liteon burners...
WOW you all do amaze me. its a honor to even be talking in the same forum as all of you guys/gals
Trust me, the honour is all ours!
I have a question for you! Do you like spending way more money than you have to? Do you like having to compromise on what you really want? Just because a lot of us have technical backgrounds doesn't make us any different than you. We have a lot of folks here that have no backgrounds in electronics at all. We have folks from every walk of life, from all over the world that wouldn't know a capacitor from a diode. None of us knew Jack about computers when we first started out. A lot of us didn't have the benefit of a Forum to turn to for advice or help. We all learned and you can too! Just because it sounds so technical and difficult doesn't mean that it really is. Besides, it's much easier today than it was years ago. Much of the brain work is already done for you. All you really have to know to start is the ability to use simple tools and some common sense. It's even hard to really damage something these days because of all the built in fail-safes. Almost always the computer will shut down if you try to do something that will blow it up.
The rewards and sense of accomplishment that go along with building your own, make it all worth while. A big part of those rewards is getting exactly what you want rather than having to settle for what someone else offers. Come here, ask advice and then buy the parts you want and put it together. Even if you just put it together and just turn it on, it will almost always work right out of the box!
The whole trick is to buy good parts to begin with so that you don't have problems with inferior stuff. One of the problems with a lot of barebones kits is companies put them together mostly out of parts they are trying to unload. Most times they come with inferior power supplys, poor quality memory and so-so video. You want that for your next computer?
I've built computers for over 18 years and didn't know a thing about them until I joined AD a few years back. I just assembled them and sold them! Nice safe stock vanilla machines. I didn't know a thing about overclocking until I joined AD. There's lots of help from a good bunch of folks here, and there's no better time to learn. Just the simple fact that you can usually build a better, faster, higher quality machine for yourself than you can buy, unless you go to Alien or some place like that and have one custom built to your specs, for a lot more money than you would spend building your own.
You said that there is no way in Hell that you could ever do what we guys are doing! Well you're wrong! You can and will learn the things you need to know, but only if you want to. My introduction to this forum came right in the middle of a huge discussion between the merits of the AMD vs the shortcomings of the Intels. I had no clue what they were talking about, even though at that point I had built around 200 computers. Just stop selling yourself short. Help will always be available here when requested. Like I said, it's not really that hard. Besides, if you buy something someone else built and decide you want to increase it's performance, you'll come here for it anyway. Why not start with a fresh page with exactly what you want and be happy when it's all finished. With a pre-built or bare-bones system it will never be exactly what you want or do things with the speed you thought you would get. Doing it yourself means you get to decide what you want and how far you want to go with it, without being foiled by someone else's bad decisions! besides, sooner or later you will do it anyway. What will really hurt the most is how much money you will spend before you get aggravated enough to try. I know, I could own the best top of the line super-killer computer for all the money I've spent just learning that lesson! A lot of us here could!
Clock On,
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8. June 2007 @ 21:45 |
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well said, we all know things others dont, and help where and when we can.
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@russ
@600/800 res almost all of the work is done by your cpu and as it is is a memory intensive task the extra bandwidth can feed it faster and aids in your 3dmark score. the extra mem bandwidth will also help improve all other memory intesive tasks such as, games, image rendering and video and audio re-encoding.
as for the mem volts, i have read reports of memory melting when its been run above 2.4v for long periods of time. this was also talked about by nvidia a few weeks back when it claimed it was the case on all chipsets not just their own. i must say that i have only seen reports from people who were using the 680i chipsets and they were occasionally running upto 2.6v. i would say for 24/7 2.3v should be safe, not sure i would run mine on much more.
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8. June 2007 @ 21:50 |
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Mort81,
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i must say that i have only seen reports from people who were using the 680i chipsets and they were occasionally running upto 2.6v. i would say for 24/7 2.3v should be safe, not sure i would run mine on much more.
I'll bump it up a notch and just lower the cas to 4 and see if it works. I'll do it right now as it won't take long.
UPDATE: It will boot with the cas set to 4, raising the voltage to 2.1 but the MB setup gives a warning. I ran it and ran Prime95, which crashed before you could release the mouse button. I've set it to 5-5-5-13 and it seems to run well.
Unless someone had a little Voodoo out there, I think that 910 seems to be the limit. Why Sandra reports it as 908 I have no idea. When I went to school 364x2.50 was 910! Must be the "New Math"! LOL!!
Best regards and Thanks,
Russ
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Russ: Your fill rate tests went down the second time, what on earth?
Cincyrob: Pretty much read what theone wrote, you'd never believe it but in the 3 1/2 years I've been a member of this site I've pretty much learnt everything I know now, with the help of a few 'closer' friends too, if you know what I mean. Literally, in Summer 2004, I upgraded my first component (without paying someone else to do it for me) by replacing a graphics card, and I was petrified about it! Now it's barely something I'd think about, I can't wait to do it again. I still like someone else being there to check my work for re-assurance, after all, silly mistakes, even if they don't cost you any money in damage (they usually don't these days), they can waste your time whilst you try and figure out what you did wrong. Cables left unplugged is the usual culprit!
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Sam,
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Russ: Your fill rate tests went down the second time, what on earth?
No idea! I just decided to run it since I already had the other saved. My 1024x768 did the same thing and was about 4000 higher as well. I thought about running it after I saw the 12,000+ for 1024x768 where it was only 8,000+ or so before. At first I thought it was a mistake. But since it doesn't hurt my other benchmarks and runs better, I'll just leave it at 910MHz and 5-5-5-13. I took the memory voltage up to 2.3v but it crashed the instant I started Prim95, so I put it back to cas5 and 2.1v and it runs better than it did at 728MHz and 4-4-4-12. In general, it seems quicker overall and it boots quicker too!
Clock On,
Russ
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That I found the case with my P5N-E, when I started messing around with the memory it seemed slower. Besides, the stable frequency my PC boots at changes every couple of days, so I will have to reset and change it periodically. This alone means I can't really be bothered with continually changing my OC to get more, because I have to anyway!
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That I found the case with my P5N-E, when I started messing around with the memory it seemed slower. Besides, the stable frequency my PC boots at changes every couple of days, so I will have to reset and change it periodically. This alone means I can't really be bothered with continually changing my OC to get more, because I have to anyway!
You might want to think about returning it for a refund and getting a GA-965P-DS3 like mine instead. Just set it and forget it! It sure would be nice not to have to muck about with it every couple of days. I don't even want to think where I might be right now if Mort81 hadn't said something! I would probably be bald, and that's a lot of hair to lose! up till that point I was going P5N-E. That's what happens when you start thinking! LOL!! Thank you Mort81! Gina's lost the Seagate hard drive and I'm not thoroughly convinced that the underlying problem isn't the MB. She got an NTFS File Structure error just before it died. Now all it does is re-boot at the same exact spot. I've never heard of the hard drive itself causing that error before.
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9. June 2007 @ 08:07 |
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we all know things others dont, and help where and when we can.
amen. even the dumbest person on earth knows something I don't. it may not be information I consider valuable but point is they still know something I don't.
Russ,
I don't know why your mobo was giving you a warning but obviously something isn't right. I personally wouldn't run it over 2.2v. try to achieve the tightest timings at the lowaest voltage with everything stable and run benchys to compare.
sounds like your bandwidth is much improved with the memory OC'ed so see how tight you can get the timings there with the least amount of voltage with no errors and stable. if 5-5-5-15 is as tight as you can go so be it. it's still better than it was with the memory divider at 2.0 and timings at 4-4-4-12.
luckily I don't need to mess with all the different scenarios since my fsb is at 400 and therefor my memory is running at spec speed, voltage, and timings. I do know what you're going through though because as I was working my way up to 3.6ghz (400fsb), I went through the same thing.
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i agree with russ, i would return it too. of all the issues other have had and reported the only thing with mine has been the oc profile thing where it wont boot with settings i know work if its saved to the profile. its worth a shot in my mind, just tell them that you need to keep setting the bios back every few days so it will boot.
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9. June 2007 @ 10:55 |
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i've run my own G.Skill set @ 2.4v MAX, but what it boils down to is what model sticks you have...my own F2-8500PHU2-2GBHZ (1GB x 2) is rated @ 2.4v at aggressive PC2-8500 (DDR2-1066) 4-4-4-5 timings.
many of the DDR2 pc-6400 series, G.Skill recommends only 2.0-2.1volts, which is true with their "HK" series as well as their "HU" series which is what i assume you have? can you confirm which model set you actually have? i'm guessing it's the F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ (1GB x 2) with the black heatspreaders?
the G.Skill with either the blue or the orange heatspreaders (models: "PQ" or "MQ" respectively) USUALLY require less voltage to run @ specs, 1.8v-1.9v for the majority of them. or the exception of the F2-6400CL4D-2GBPK (1GB x 2) model which has a light blue heatspreader, these are rated to be 1.9v-2.0v @ 4-4-4-12 :)
a lot of G.Skill's memory use the highly favored Micron chips, but it depends from series to series and from which batch they were produced in and when...
on my own high end memory kits, i've personally found at least with my various rigs. that running at tigher timings (ie. CAS3) at a slower speed results in faster response/quicker application loading compared to high bandwidth @ CAS5 timings, it might vary from one person to the next, but for ME, i prefer to run @800mhz with 3-4-3-9 compared to @1150mhz-1200mhz with 5-5-5-15. sandra benchmarks usually show the ultra high bandwidth "winning" over that of the lesser bandwidth at tighter timings because the sheer speed and bandwidth triumphs over that of very tight timings.
i use mainly the Corsair Dominators at this point (ie. the PC2-9136 kit) and i have a TWIN2X2048-6400C3DF kit coming next week, it's a shame that memory prices have dropped SOOOOOO significantly lately and i do regret paying a premium less than a year ago (almost double in price) just to try them out. oh well, i'm not going to be buying ANY more memory until DDR3 comes out and then a diff. platform altogether will be in the works...
bottom line, find the speed and ratings that work BEST FOR YOU and your use of the computer, given the components you have to work with...tweaking RAM and finding that "sweet spot" is much more time consuming for me than just overclocking my cpu, gpu(s); and with so many more "numbers" to deal with, it can get confusing real fast sorting out the CAS, TRDC, TRP, TRAS, TRRD, etc. :)
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docTY,
I have the F2-6400CL4D-2GBPK (1GB x 2). Very good memory by the way and thank you for the advice on it.
In addition to the afore-mentioned 5-5-5-15, the other settings are:
tRRD=3
Rank Write to Read Delay=3
Write to Precharge Delay=Auto
Refresh to ACT Delay=0
Read to Precharge Delay=3
Memory Performance Enhance=Turbo (Normal - Fast - Turbo)
I'm a bit unsure about these so I'll see what you think.
My XFX 7600GT is set to 653 core and 1600 memory. Everything seems to be running good and as you can see my memory bandwidth widened a good bit.
BTW! Your DDR3 is out!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145182
Thanking you in Advance,
theone
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LOL
with those CAS9 specs, no thanks! hahahha
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Capacity 2GB (2 x 1GB)
Speed DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600)
Cas Latency 9
Timing 9-9-9-24
i figure when a DDR3 compatible mobo that is tested and receives positive feedback across the board is out for awhile, i might consider it later :)
as to your set of G.Skills, you got the "better" kit out of the various series for PC2-6400, when overclocking RAM, usually by loosening the CAS by "1" some of the memory modules can maintain the other timings from the rated spec, sometimes not, it all depends on the binning.
but as to what you should run them at, i think your settings right now are just fine, since you stated it's stable with these timings, will your system boot @ 5-4-4-12 with your 2.50 multi setting? or you may want to try 5-4-5-(12/15/18)...the Gigabyte mobo you have i have no personal experience with, so i'm not sure how it reacts to memory timing specifics using that particular kit of G.Skills...
when i overclock or underclock my own RAM, it's a true test of patience as you can imagine how many reboots or BSOD's i go thru to find the right balance with the timings...i no longer spend too much time fine tuning my memory because it's such a laborious and painstaking process, but you can try some of the timings i mentioned above if you have time or feel up to the task :) good luck
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9. June 2007 @ 13:05 |
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docTY,
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when i overclock or underclock my own RAM, it's a true test of patience as you can imagine how many reboots or BSOD's i go thru to find the right balance with the timings..
One of the "Perks" with the GA-965P-DS3 v1.33 is that it won't allow BSODs caused by incorrect settings. It will cycle off the PS and come back on again rapidly beeping the case speaker. Used to be a pain as I had been shutting down the PS and pulling the plug as someone suggested to me to do. I've since found out that all it takes is to press the reset button while it's beeping and it will re-set the bios to stock CPU speed as detected. Very nice feature indeed!
Still, I don't think I could gain enough with it at this point to make it worth the time and effort as you are right, it is painstaking and sometimes frustrating work. I think I've gotten just about all I can get out of my particular set-up. Thanks to you, Mort81, BigDK, marsey99, sammorris and a few others I have a very nice machine that has met and exceeded my goals and expectations. I guess, the best thing about the way it runs is it's consistency. Turn it on, do whatever work, play games or whatever and there's no surprises. It's fast and quiet and has a great feel to it, if you know what I mean! In many ways a lot like my old D-940 but twice as fast. A very comfortable computer to work with.
If I forgot to thank someone, it was not intentional. I do forget things from time to time. Either old age or my long hair, I'm not sure! LOL!! Anyway, I thank you all for your help and advice.
Clock On,
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9. June 2007 @ 16:01 |
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Another thing I have to return? If only you knew how much has gone wrong in the past few months. My Spec is where I currently am, here's where I want to be:
E6600/Q6600/K8L (If they turn out to be any good)
8800GTX/8900 series (as above)
GA-965P-DS3
Thermalright Ultra 120
500GB Samsung as OS drive
The WD5000s seemed good at first, but after having had one RMA'ed, and then reading a review of them suggesting the firmware was glitched, I'm not quite so sure. They're quiet and quite fast, but the Samsungs seem to go from strength to strength.
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9. June 2007 @ 17:46 |
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sammorris,
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Another thing I have to return? If only you knew how much has gone wrong in the past few months.
With me, it was the self doubt that I might just well be past it after the second MB went south! When I finally got things to run right with the third P5N-E I felt a little better, But my present machine was my vindication of that self doubt. It does, however make you start talking to yourself! LOL!! If you start answering yourself.....Well....... Straight Jacket Time!! ROFL!! Sometimes changing directions in mid-stream helps! Did wonders for me!
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GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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10. June 2007 @ 03:29 |
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Until I replace my current set, I do all my computer work with non-magnetised screwdrivers, do you know how much that makes me shout to myself? lol
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10. June 2007 @ 10:51 |
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docTY,
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will your system boot @ 5-4-4-12 with your 2.50 multi setting? or you may want to try 5-4-5-(12/15/18)...the Gigabyte mobo you have i have no personal experience with, so i'm not sure how it reacts to memory timing specifics using that particular kit of G.Skills...
I said what the hey, and tried 5-4-4-12. Works fine! Ran Prime95 all night with no errors. The memory bandwidth goes up a little bit so now it's 6747MB/s. Seems a tad more snappy. The other benches are marginally faster as well. Not enough change to bother posting them. I think at this point it's as good as it can be. After all the "adventures" with the P5N-E and three motherboards, it's a pleasant reward! Thanks again!
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Until I replace my current set, I do all my computer work with non-magnetised screwdrivers, do you know how much that makes me shout to myself? lol
I had a guy yell at me for using magnetized screwdrivers near his computer years ago. He was afraid I would harm his hard drive. I took out a blank floppy and formated it and then dragged the screwdriver tip all over it. Then I copied some files to it. Talk about someone wanting to kick himself! He looked like I'd punched him in the stomach! Someone had told him that if he used magnetized screwdrivers near it would ruin his computer! LOL!! Then again, he also had been told that they would ruin a CD too! ROFLMAO!!
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GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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10. June 2007 @ 11:30 |
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ROFLMAO indeed, can you say 'scare story'? :-)
Grats on the new & improved overclock. I think I'm going to bite the bullet, and once my exams are over get a GA-965P-DS3.
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