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8. April 2007 @ 20:02 |
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@LOCOENG......... I'm glad you updated to BCIB, the BenQ 1655 will learn the disks and then you'll get great scans. But, I must admitt that YUDEN000T02s will do better than any MCC disks or TYG02s and the drive loves 8x better than 16x disks. I stockpiled almost 450 8x,DVD+Rs Taiyo Yudens and I even bought the 16x, DVD-R WaterShed inkjet hub printables Taiyo Yudens, just to see how the Glossy printables look like! I love the look.... but disappointed in the scans of the 16x, DVD-Rs! The printing on the Glossy Watershed disks are great! my Epson R320 prints them just fine and I even put them under water and it rolled right off like my new car with RainX treatment at the car wash! the printings are great.... but the 16x disks are not what I thought they should be. The first disk had a defect on the dye and you can see streaking by the outer edge! I tested it out with Qsuit scan and it said, "We don't recommend burning at this speed or under." and I tried scanning from 4x to 16x.... all failed the recommending burning speed tests. I then tried other disks from the 50 spindle pack.... it finally got better and these disks passed the 4x-16x writing speed tests. I was expecting that Taiyo Yuden perfection and I found a couple of disks sub par. Maybe it's me and it's all Taiyo Yuden's fault for spoiling me but all the DVD+Rs I have from them are prefecto! oh well..... they are showing me that nothing is ever pure all the time!
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8. April 2007 @ 20:06 |
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IHoe i am at 800 plus of the DVD dash R TYGO3s and a few TYGO2s with maybe 1 coaster
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9. April 2007 @ 02:33 |
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@aabbccdd....... I'm over 1500 plus for the YUDEN000T02s and about 200 or so with the TYG02s.......and I don't think I have had ANY coasters other than my own mistakes (I find when I turn on my scanner it interferes with burning and shuts the program down..... not the fault with the disks and I did that about 3 times!). http://www.rima.com/Merchant2/merchant.m...ategory_Code=GP
the recording of these are disappointing.... the printing on these are outstanding!
you can't really appreciate the look and feel of these babies! Here is it's scan:
like I said... these babies look great but there is definitely something wrong with the outer edge of my TYG03s WaterShields. And it seems to be on most of the spindle of 50! You can actually see a ring of shading that is not apparent on other Taiyo Yuden disks!
and here is another TYG03 scan (this is not a WaterShield disk!):
I guess I'm spoiled because my YUDEN000T02s come out like this one:
I guess when I get a new burner maybe then I'll get these same scans with TYG02s or TYG03s. Untill then I'll booktype my +Rs and enjoy the burning of these Taiyo Yudens.
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9. April 2007 @ 04:46 |
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@IHoe,
If you see a visable "mark" on the WaterShed's then I think you should send them in for exchange or refund. I agree with aabbccdd that the TYG03's produce a "good" product at worst and should on almost any burner that will do a 16X disc. :) He uses a Plextor, I use a Pioneer DVR-112L, Lite-On LH-18A1P, and a BENQ DW-1650 and for me the Pioneer probably burns the best all the way around. It scans similarly to the BENQ which is impressive for a Pioneer, they're not known for scanning. :)
If you decide to buy another drive I would look at the Pioneer with one of the Buffalo f/w's in lue of the stock stuff. In case you don't know the Buffalo f/w will book type a DVD+R to DVD-ROM in the Pioneer drives. :)
JM2C on the discs and possible new drive. ;-)
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@IHoe,
I was thinking you might try "shrinking" the image even further and see what results you get. I think that something at or below the 4 GiB point would be good. Something to try if you decide to keep the discs. :)
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9. April 2007 @ 07:16 |
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@greensman........ I bought the WaterShield Taiyo Yudens just for sh_ts and giggles. I have no plans of buying another burner till these crap out. I run on the philosophy "if it's not broke, don't fix it." So buying a new burner is not necessary. And, as you can see from my scans, the TYGOs are not as good as the YUDEN000s which I stockpiled a load of them! Anyway...... I was just wanted to try the watershield ones out.... they are only 50 on a spool, so not such a big deal.... and I hope that as I use them maybe it was only a few of the top disks that were not up to par for Taiyo Yuden. I'm keeping them and tomorrow I will burn another 10 of them or so and test them out again. The verdict is still not conclusive yet!
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10. April 2007 @ 10:01 |
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guess i dont need TY's when i can get scores like this out of the 16x+r Verbs perfection.....
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10. April 2007 @ 10:55 |
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@cincyrob,
I completely agree and if you use more Verbs that leaves more TY's for me. hehehe. No, j/k buddy. I've said it at least once and some other more knowledgeable members have too. What ever your system likes and produces the best product with use that and don't ask any questions , well not very many questions. lol.
I would prefer that my system uses one of these brands/manufacturers: Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim (MCC 003, MCC 004), Ritek, Ridata, Maxell (MIJ), Ricoh and maybe one or two more but the 1st 2 for sure. :)
For instance my system really likes the TY (YUDEN T02) and performs fairly well with the TYG02 and TYG03. It also does pretty well with the Verbatim MCC 003 and MCC 004.
BUT to add I've run almost everything that you could imagine thru this system and it does OK with most of the discs that I thro at it. I had some FUJIFILM 03's I think and I had to give them away to a friend and his system did way better than mine with them. I've also run some TDK 003's thru it and they do better than the FUJIFILM's but not as good as the TY's. No real surprise there. :) btw don't tell creaky that I've used some of the TDK's. LOL. TOO LATE. hehehe.
Sorry Rob just putting M2C in here.
BTW VERY nice scan there buddy!!!! Hey the best thing about your system liking those Verb's is they are on sale almost every week somewhere. :) Get them close to home and not having to worry about S&H or anything. If you decide to get some online you might check with Mort81, he knows all the sales for Verb's. :)
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10. April 2007 @ 19:15 |
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here is an update to the one I first posted about the WaterShield 16x DVD-R Taiyo Yuden (TYGO3s):
as you can see the scans are better than the first ones and I think it was just the first 3 or so disks that had imperfections near the outer edge of the disks.... you can see that other disks didn't have the imperfections that the first ones did! And the glossy inkjet hub printables look great and is actually photo print quality. It dries soooooo fast that you can actually take it right from the printer to the burner and start burning immediately! The quality of the printing on the label compared to thermal printing! I love it! I just wish they did the WaterShield in the DVD+R format. I hope they will eventually.
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10. April 2007 @ 20:17 |
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@IHoe,
Got a question. Have you tried burning the image first then printing to the disc? If so what are the results? Just curious if there would be any differences in QS. :) JM2C mixed in there. ;-)
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11. April 2007 @ 02:58 |
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in all my experiences the printing on the disk before or after the burning doesn't matter! I have been printing my disks both way (before and after) and still I get great scans! The only difference that I see was when I opened up the 50 spindle WaterShield disks and found some visual defects for the first 3 or so disks on top of the spindle and I got this result:
and this movie plays just fine in my players!
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11. April 2007 @ 03:29 |
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That's cool. I was just curious about the differences. I don't have the ability to print discs but now I know either way is safe. :)
So the visual "defects" are not noticeable now?? If not that's good and you should get some great results from your burns. :)
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11. April 2007 @ 04:38 |
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interesting thread ya got here cincyrob :)
well, my trusty Benq dw-1650 has finally given up the ghost on DVD+R media~ LOL
within the last week, i've had 5 MCC003 8x DVD+R Verbs "coaster" out on me and 3 YUDEN000T02s 8x DVD+R Taiyo Yudens do the same~ :(
ironically, on DVD-R TYs, it's halfway decent still...not spectacular, but decent...
i know all my drives well enough that i've crossflashed all of them MANY times in the past, just a few days ago, i cross-flashed my Benq 1650 to the Philips 1660 firmware, then back to an older official Benq one, then back to the BCIC i have been using since the day it was released...this was my attempt to clear the damn eeprom as QSuite v2.1 now disables the "clear learned media" button under Solidburn settings, so, naturally, cross-flashing will relieve that and clear it all for me~ :)
anyways, at this point, my Benq is no longer my "go to burner" for DVD+R media, i'm going to milk this drive for as long as i can until it gives up the ghost on DVD-R media, then into the trash it goes :)
this is a very typical example of the burns i get these days, nothing spectacular as mentioned earlier, but they play just fine on all my standalone dvd players...
may my Benq dw-1650 DVD+R burning capabilities REST IN PEACE, looks like i will have to go through my DVD-R TYs from now on LOL, this is gonna take me a LOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG time to accomplish :) i suppose the only "good" thing to come out of my present issues is that i have plenty of TYG01/TYG02/TYG03 to burn through before i need to purchase more~
@greensman
i might just pick up a new Pioneer for "poo poos & ha-ha's" as you so eloquently put it :)
urs truly~ :)
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11. April 2007 @ 05:34 |
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@docTY,
Good to see you visit the scan thread. You're right on the scan being "average", especially for you. I've seen a few of your scans in the past and that isn't typical. :) I have an extra DW-1650 *wink wink*. I like the Pioneer DVR-112L better tho. ;-) How many of those DVD-R's you got left buddy. You been stock piling for a while? hehehe.
Guess I'll have to do a movie tonight so I can post something, don't want docTY out doing me. hehehe. Well if nothing else I'll do one for poo-poo's and ha-ha's.
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11. April 2007 @ 06:36 |
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@greensman
LOL, yeah...the scores are a bit below my own "standards" for burns, but it's been awhile since i've HAD to burn to DVD-R media just to get a decent backup...
actually, my next burner will definitely be a SATA optical drive, i'm seriously considering the Pioneer dvr-212d at this point since thus far, for a SATA drive, it's been rated as a "must have/no brainer purchase" in the SATA market (this is from various forums/review sites that rank it #1 as far as SATA opticals are concerned) :)
as with progressing tech., with all my builds these days pretty much abandoning PATA/IDE drives/controllers and moving forward to SATA (mobo specific), it's about time i stepped up to SATA burner as well.
perhaps i haven't looked hard enough, but the pioneer dvr-212d doesn't seem to have a buffalo firmware equivalent to enable bitsetting does it? i know the 112 that you have does, but i can't seem to find one for the SATA counterpart?
as to official firmware, the pioneer dvr-212d just very recently released an update, v 1.15, which only improves writing capabilities for a wide range of newer media, but you know as well as i do that i could give a rat's @$$ about write quality for 16x rated media (all my current drives write just fine to the newer media, i would prefer auto booktyping incorporated into the firmware over compatibility with all the various MIDs/media i would never use anyways~ LOL)
as to your question about TYs DVD-R media i currently have "in-stock", i have more than i care to count, easily a few thousand total -ranging in quantity of each- of all 3 flavors :)
i think what i'm going to do in the meantime is speedpatch my Benq drive to do the ripping and have my Pioneer dvr-109 (buffalo 8.58 patched and unlocked) do the actual burning of my DVD+R media...i know my pioneer has been a very good DVD-R burner in the past (better on DVD-R than DVD+R actually), but what other choice do i have at this point?
it might be awhile before you see any more of my frequent "99 scores", but i gotta do what i gotta do~ :)
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11. April 2007 @ 10:57 |
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@docTY,
Checked out TDB and they don't have anything yet. I would think that they are working on something and will have it out pretty soon. They've always introduced a f/w patch within a reasonable amount of time after the "stock" f/w is released. Anyway I would look for it soon. ;-) You know in the mean time you can always buy a DVR-112 and use it. ;-) It's not like you can't use it with a SATA drive. hehehe. j/k buddy, pokin fun at the doc.....lol
btw the DVR-112 scans pretty closely to the BENQ's in my experience. Seems like Pioneer might have something good in these drives. REMEMBER my experience here. NOT the 1000's that you have done. :)
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11. April 2007 @ 10:58 |
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well it is a total honor to have the DOC make his presence in our crazy scan thread... good to see you my friend. sorry to hear about you benq. but im sure you have plenty to fall back on..lol
i havent posted the scans yet but in the series of "the walton" im doing for mom inlaw i got 3 more 98 scores actually it was 3 in a row of 98's then a 95 and another 98 so 4 out of the last 5 i have gotten 98s... all on the MCC004's this drive loves them 16x disc..lol now i know i gotta get me some of them 16x+r hubprintable TY's...
speaking of printing onto the disc. i havent printed on them then burnt to them, never thought of that, mostly i wanted to make sure it was a good burn before i wasted the ink..lol
at work now if i get out of here early enough i will try and post thos scans.
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11. April 2007 @ 17:49 |
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Hey Cincy ? Those are some excellent scans with that media! What software are you using to do those burns ?? I have been using dvdfab with Nero but I think the highest score I've gotten is a 95. Here's a recent scan .... /unjust
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11. April 2007 @ 18:56 |
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oh no buddy, your score is what we all are shooting for. on one of your scans maybe 15-20 pages back(might not be that far) you posted a scan of a 98 with only 6 PIF's awsome scan.
as far as what program im useing. im useing AnyDVD and clonedvd2 going disc 2 disc.. id say the last 10 burns i have with the 16x+r verbs have been my best ever. i have had 1 scan that was a 95 with 108 PIF's the scan looked awsome, but i went to play it and in the first 3 mins it hung up for a couple seconds then played and hung up again. dont know if it was a dirty disc or what. i took it out tossed it and reburned to another verb and no problem.
i'd say 90% of my burns i use clonedvd2 with AnyDVD running in the background. and the other 10%+/- i use ripit4me then dvdshrink and imageburn.
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11. April 2007 @ 22:38 |
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Hello All, Just backed up one of my old Western Movies plus menus and everything with some Sony TY's I found at sears. This is the first time I have had sony TY's /unjust
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12. April 2007 @ 04:47 |
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Welcome back Doc...good to see you, and I noticed you are starting fresh. LOL
I've noticed the MCC004's are giving alot better results when burned at 8X vs anything higher....this is forcing me to rethink my whole game plan. Even though there is nothing wrong with the playability of the burn if I can knock a grands worth of PIF's off the final scan why not...eh?
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12. April 2007 @ 05:07 |
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I have a question....... I noticed the scan from Unjust2u:
notice the PIE and PIF and quality score......... now look at my scan from the same disk (YUDEN000T2):
my PIE totals and PIF totals are higher than Unjust2u's totals and yet I have a better quality score! why is that? the only thing I noticed was the jitter scores (mine is better). I don't think my quality score should be higher because of the jitter scores ..... so why is my scan supposedly better than Unjust2u's scan?
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12. April 2007 @ 06:14 |
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@Ihoe
the reason your score is higher than Unjust, is for the sole reason you are scanning with your benq drive. he did his on his liteon. the 2 drives have different scanning requirments. then benq allows for a little higher PIE/PIF's before it drops the score any. so as a great Doc once told me that a 95 on a liteon is like a 98 on a benq.
heres the link to the scan Unjust got a 98 with only 6 PIF's total
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/31/415515#2768467
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12. April 2007 @ 06:41 |
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so what happens when and if I get a 100? does that lower my score..... too bad there isn't any standards for scans! there should be instead their is guessing! I thought you do a scan on a disk to find out how the burn went? if you are playing it on players then a 98 score should be a 98 not a guess that my drive is better than your drive and so forth, so my 98 is better than your 98! LOL I guess you can't really judge what one drive will do compared to others..... I just took my last scan.... I won't be judging my disks anymore..... the only way to really judge a disk is Does it play in players?I'm done scanning.
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lol in a way your 100% right Ihoe, but the scans for a benq should and is i would say will be the same on all benq's and the liteons should be the same. a while back before i got my liteon i sent some disc to DocTY and he scanned them and they were horrible. but he burnt a movie for me on his benq(id say the one that is going out on him)lol and he scaned it and got a 98... when i got it and scanned it on my new liteon it was a 95. thats not saying it is bad disc just different ways the disc are read on each drive.
oh yea if and when you get a 100 you will be called GOD....lmao
there is standards for the scans also... but the standard are set so high that they arent acceptable for our standards... the pie's shouldnt go above 280 max and the PIF's should go above 8 max... that is the standard for a disc to be readable/playable disc. but if you or i got a 280 on our PIE's or a 8 on PIF's we would be really pissed, and want to know why it was so high.
like you said the best test on these disc is the playback, and if you can rerip them.
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12. April 2007 @ 07:16 |
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This is really a test of the drive and their ability to read/scan different media. I don't like to get to anal about the scanning thing, becuase like you said IHOE..."if it plays..."
The best test is a verification after the burn...this will tell you if your disc was burned bit for bit as it is from the source. If you know that your source is good and the burn verifies then you should know that future reading and ripping from that disc won't be a problem. There is always that line down the road that media will cross and dye will degrade and blah, blah, blah. Nothing is forever though...right?
The quality scores aren't really saying that "my 98 is better than your 98", but rather my drive is more tolerant than yours with the media that I'm using. I tend not to even look at the QS anyway, but instead I look at the PIF's...that should tell the story. 1 PIF will bring your score from 100 to 99...as soon as that one tick is recorded your score drops.
I typically only scan when I open a new batch of media, switch brands, upgrade firmware or trying out new software and/or speeds of burns. I don't scan to brag about my "high" scores, but rather to compare what I have already burned on my drive so that I will know how what I'm burning stacks up against what I've considered to be good (to me) in the past. Even though I've pushed certain brands in the past (ie TY, Verb and BenQ) doesn't mean that they will be the best combination for you, but rather what have worked the best for me. You see alot of posts where member have problems with Memorex...there are probably more out there that aren't posting that don't have any issues at all with Memorex discs. It all comes down to use what works best for you.
Ah well...for us lay folk this is all subjective anyway, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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