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23. March 2008 @ 20:09 |
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Yeah and the only reason the quad cores would be faster at the same speed is because they have double the cache.
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24. March 2008 @ 01:24 |
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Here's some interesting reading regarding temps of various 65 and 45nm CPUs just out from Tom's!
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/221745...mperature-guide
Read and learn!
I have a special request,
Anyone out there that has an old Athlon XP socket A (462) 2400+ or better they are willing to sell, Please PM me. I need one very badly. It figures I would need one now as I just put the last 2400+ I had in the Retro I just sold Friday! The only other Athlon XP socket A I have is an 1100, and it's just too slow, even with a GB of memory.
The computer belongs to a good friend's Son, who is bedridden with Cancer, and his dad was just laid off so there's just no money. It's the only computer they have at the moment, so this isn't for profit, it's for a worthy cause!
Thanking you in advance,
Russ
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24. March 2008 @ 08:53 |
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Some good reading there Russ. but i didnt see any of the E8000 series include in the testings.
i have about 3 hours before i can call gigabyte for a RMA and 2 hours for intel... they need to get a office here on the east coast part of the country...lol kinda sucks sending this stuff back for replacements. i got a new sata burner comeing wed/thurs.....lol
yes once i get the new stuff back its gonna stay at stock for a while untill im sure it is all stable...
EDIT: to correct myself
they do refer to the E8000 series...lol
Scale 1: Duo
E4x00: Tcase Max 73c, Stepping M0
E2xx0: Tcase Max 73c, Stepping M0
E8x00: Tcase Max 72c, Stepping C0
E8x90: Tcase Max 72c, Stepping C0
E6x50: Tcase Max 72c, Stepping G0
E6540: Tcase Max 72c, Stepping G0
-Tcase/Tjunction-
--70--/--75--75-- Hot
--65--/--70--70-- Warm
--60--/--65--65-- Safe
--25--/--30--30-- Cool
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24. March 2008 @ 09:21 |
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not sure if i asked this before or not so here goes again.
can you run a ODD and a HDD on the same IDE cable. once i get the big red machine back up of the Disabled List, i have my new sata burner thats gonna go in there. i also plan on getting a second sata burner and use 1 of the ide burners with them. totaling 3 burners i was wanting to do away with that pci e x1 card i have and run the ide HDD and ide burner on the same ribbon connected directly to the mobo. is that possible. or shouldi just keep the PCI e 1x card until i get another sata HDD???
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24. March 2008 @ 10:35 |
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ok im at a crossroads here now..i just talked to intel. they seem to think the CPU is getting to hot and causeing the shutdowns im getting. he said that he is sending out some thermal paste for me to use instead of the AS5 i used.he wants me to try that first and if i still have the problems we can go along with the RMA. so he is sending out the paste today.
Also i asked him about the cooler that came with the CPU(acted like i used it) i cleaned off the paste the cooler came with and used the AR5. he said i shouldnt have done that and used what was shipped with it....do i now put the factory cooler on it with there thermal paste and see if that works? if it does do i take off the cooler and put my Coolermaster cooler back on with there thremal paste they are sending????
and should i still try and RMA the MOBO. guess i will try this paste on the factory cooler first?
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24. March 2008 @ 11:34 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
v2 of ConvertXtoDVD doesn't, not sure if v3 does or not; DVD Flick doesn't, and as for TheFilmMachine i don't use it often enough to comment, but TFM can certainly use HC and CCE encoders. Rotary uses the Film Machine a lot, have asked him to pop by to add his AVI guru_expertise..
hi just jumpimg in here, not read 300 pages so.... i am not sure if CCE uses the 4 quad cores or not?
i use tfm/cce on an avi to dvd/iso, it takes about 1 hour on a 4400 dual core, stripped/mirrored raid 0+1 raptors 10,000rpm with 2 gig of corsair extreme ram...
hope that helps? prolly not.... ;-]
Nothing here to see, move along folks.
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24. March 2008 @ 11:35 |
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Rob I'm calling BS on that cpu overheating!! I'm pretty sure the monitoring progies that you're using are ok for that cpu as well as many others. I would expect Russ to comment here since he's had much more experience but it seems they are blowing smoke up ye arse.... lol. Never hurts to do what they say tho, just don't say anything about OC'in. *shhhh*. :D What sucks is you gotta put everything back together now. ROFL!! Good luck with that. Have you ordered that new psu yet?? Makes me curious actually. I know Russ has made his suggestions and I feel he knows his stuff but I'm all for a BETTER psu too. ;) No offense to the fella that you got it from but hey I've got a little Tim Taylor in me blood. hehehehe. :P
That cooler is fine btw, I've used the same model in 3 systems now and it provided some good cooling I thought, especially for the dough.... I'm gonna "lap" my CM-TX2 this week if I can get to it..... maybe this weekend. Russ any hints would be appreciated.... :D I've got access to a "buffer" with all the compounds that I want. Which color compound do you recommend for the process?? I've already hit it with 400 grit paper but I'm sure I need to do some 600-800 before I "polish" it right?? /me needs direction.... :D
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24. March 2008 @ 11:41 |
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well that was a short crossroad. it hit a hugh speed bump.
i put the factory heatsink on it with the factory paste. it wont boot up at all. i hit the power button it pauses then trys to start then shuts down and does it again over and over.. calling gigabyte now. gotta wait till i get the pasted from intel then send it back.
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24. March 2008 @ 12:08 |
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well that was a short crossroad. it hit a hugh speed bump.
Well what color hue was it?? hehehe. I'm sure you meant huge... ?? :P j/k buddy, I know that you're beyond frustrated by now.
Well that really stinks don't it?? <<<incredible knack of stating the obvious... :D
Rob PLEASE get another psu before you do all this again. I know it may strain the pocket book but it will save you some extra time I think. That takes the psu out of the equation completely and you can concentrate on the mobo and cpu then. I think the RAM is fine personally but I'm not sure about the other 2 components now. I know this doesn't help anything really but maybe it gives you some assurance that you're headed in the right direction. :D good luck buddy...
....gm
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OCZ RAM PC2-8500 $51.99 after MIR w/ FREE shipping
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24. March 2008 @ 12:53 |
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Just talked to a guy at giga-byte...they seem to care more than intel does....he asked a series of questions mostly about what the problem was. then ask about the mem and cpu i was useing. he said the board is more than capable of handleing both the products i have. i told him i was trying to send the CPU to intel for the RMA also. he told me that when i send it(mobo)in they will check it out. if there is something wrong and they can repair it they will, if something is wrong and cant be repaired they will give me a new one. but it will take about 3 weeks..i first have to wait for the RMA # then once they get it, it will be about 2-3 work weeks.....
so with the wait on intel and the paste and then telling them ineed the rma it will be about a month before im back in action... so i should be able to get a better PSU by then.. i hope/think...lol(all my MIR should be back by then)
said thing the new sata burner will be here this week and cant use it for another month...lol
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24. March 2008 @ 13:06 |
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Originally posted by REDSboy:
said thing the new sata burner will be here this week and cant use it for another month...lol
Just send it to me for the 4 weeks and I'll break it in for ya. hehehe. :P
Good to hear that G-Byte is willing to check things out. :D May shipping be fast, money come easy, and everything go back together for the computer of your short computing life. heheehe. :P
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24. March 2008 @ 14:27 |
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GM & Rob,
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Well what color hue was it?? hehehe. I'm sure you meant huge...
No he meant what color Jewelers Rouge to use! ROFL!!
Rob,
I start with the White and finish it off with the red! Only takes a couple of minutes. I had one cooler for a customer where he supplied the cooler. I had to start with the Green and work my way down. You could feel the machining grooves in the surface. It was a Rosewell POS!
Call Intel back tomorrow and put your foot down. Their thermal paste is not going to be better than AS5. Just demand a replacement. If you get the same guy just ask for his supervisor. Tell them your friend has the same MB and memory, and when you put it in his, it does the same thing! They will ask you the make and model of the MB you tried it in and what memory, and that will be it! That will put and end to all the BS! Those guys are mostly from other countries. You just got one that knows what his "Manual" tells him to say. Just call them back and insist on a replacement based on your testing with the same MB and memory! If they give you any lip about the thermal paste, just point out that Arctic Silver 5 is the industry standard. It's the best there is! Otherwise they'll treat you like you're an Organ Grinders Monkey! LOL!! Got to be fast on your feet! ;) You just got to be firm with them, and not take no for an answer!
Yes you can run the Optical drive on the same cable. If you have the 80 wire cable just set the jumpers on both to CS. If you have a 40 wire cable set the jumpers to MA for the end one and SL for the other! Bear in mind that the very end cable plug will be the master and the other one will be the slave automatically!
Best Regards,
Russ
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24. March 2008 @ 15:25 |
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Russ thinks it's BS too Robert.... Call those SOB's back and tell what for.... BUT do it nicely... hehehe.
Thanks Russ, you is the "sparkly polishin" man!! :D What's funny is I had a Rosewill cpu cooler and I think it's a pretty good design, similar to the ACF7 but you're right it had the 'grooves' in the block. I "sanded" those out and used it for a while with NO issues then got the TR 120 Ultra, which is a dandy as we all know..... :D
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24. March 2008 @ 18:50 |
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im gonna call them back tomorrow no matter what. im gonna put it in bigwill's system today at work and see if it does the same thing as in mine. if it does i know for sure its the CPU.im also gonna try my mem in there also but like Russ said before i dont think it is the mem now. its the CPU or MOBO...so later i will keep ya all informed how it goes once i have the CPU in will's rig.
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24. March 2008 @ 19:56 |
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cincyrob,
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im gonna call them back tomorrow no matter what. im gonna put it in bigwill's system today at work and see if it does the same thing as in mine.
Good Man, that Will! Good Friend! Not many people would pull apart their working rig and do that! My hat's off to you Will!
Best Regards,
Russ
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24. March 2008 @ 20:02 |
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I'm having an annoying problem with my rig.
Everytime i switch it on, the fans and everything will power up and then itll go off, and then power up again and work perfectly.
BIOS issue?
Apart from that though, it's all fine and dandy.
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24. March 2008 @ 20:13 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
OK Folks, I'm away from now until Monday night for the easter break.
Have fun guys, no doubt i'll have a dozen pages to read when I get back!
Nah, just 5 or so.... :)
Hope all is going well Sammy!!
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24. March 2008 @ 20:15 |
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Originally posted by GregI6:
I'm having an annoying problem with my rig.
Everytime i switch it on, the fans and everything will power up and then itll go off, and then power up again and work perfectly.
BIOS issue?
Apart from that though, it's all fine and dandy.
My Quad always does that each time it's powered-on, then it's 100% stable from then on. Wierd. Has been like it since i first built it. As it's predictable and consistent i personally live with it
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24. March 2008 @ 20:21 |
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Mine doesn't do that.
The only thing it does is the Freezer 7's fan comes on then off and then on again. That's the only fan connected to the Motherboard though, everything else is directly connected to the PSU. So maybe that is why on the CPU fan does it?
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24. March 2008 @ 20:26 |
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@creaky & greg
do you have a P35 mobo???i was told buy a tech at microcenter the P35 mobo tend to do that....but then thats my problem it will shut down start up and not be stable. then it wont even start up.power and lights come on then go right back out and start over...
but we have some good news (so far)
my CPU is in BigWill's rig right now. it fired right up no problem.(but it did start up and shut down the very first time) but it has been started up and shut down 3 times now and all is good. we got orthos running on it right now...check this out. he has the same Cooler as i do(thanks gm) and right now on his mobo(ga-p35c-ds3r) my load temps are 10 degrees cooler than on my mobo. right now at load it is running 49-51c. if on my board it would be about 60-62c.
so is this a sign of the (my) mobo being bad????
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24. March 2008 @ 20:32 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
@creaky & greg
do you have a P35 mobo???i was told buy a tech at microcenter the P35 mobo tend to do that....
yup, mine's a sexy MSI P35 Platinum. It's not got the latest BIOS as the first board i had was turned into an expensive doorstop when i tried to update the BIOS; luckily i was able to RMA it but there was no way i was going to mess with the replacement's BIOS; as i say as long as the initial powerdown/restart is 100% consistent i'm happy to live with it; easier than googling for an answer as well.
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24. March 2008 @ 21:12 |
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Cool creaky. Good to know im not the only one.
I have an ASUS P5K-E WIFI mobo.
Have you oced your quad? I keep mines at 3Ghz. Don't see a need to push for more(only when benchmarking)
As for stability, i had my system on for 2 days with idle temps of about 29c on each core. It will also Fold on all 4 cores without miss of a beat.
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24. March 2008 @ 21:31 |
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GregI6, greensman, cincyrob & creaky,
I think it's the active bios. Mine does it, but blurry fast, it just goes click, click real fast and boots up. I shut my PS off every night because of the mouse and a few other things connected to the usb have lights that annoy me. I'll bet Boozer doesn't usually turn off his PS! It all seems to have to do with the capabilities of the power supply. My guess is that the system does a quick scan of the bios settings, analyzes them and continues on. Mine used to do a complete on, off, on every time I turned off the PS and then started the computer. After I got it running the way it is now, it does it, but blurry fast, less than a second! The power light turns on, off, on in less than a second now! Before, it was 3 or 4 seconds total. This was also a known teething problem with a lot of the earlier P35 chipset motherboards. My original DS3R was a Rev. 1.0 and if it got cold enough, it would turn on and off for 15 minutes if I let it, yet if I take my hairdryer and blow some hot air into the case first, it would fire right up with no problem.
I know that PWM controlled fans don't start immediately, and under PWM control it can sit for as long as 10 minutes or more without ever moving the fan blade when it's cold. It's not the Arctic's fault as the MB tries to run it at 400-600 rpm, and the cooling fans low rpm is 800! If you give it a flick with your finger, it will almost always continue to run, but if you just leave it alone it will start all by itself once the temperature comes up in the CPU a bit! The voltage is there, but the pulses that control the speed aren't enough to kick over the fan, yet Everest, speedfan and some other utilities show it running as low as 400 rpm, when it's standing perfectly still. I think that the speed you see is what the MB is calling for as a minimum. I would guess it would have to be that way, or it would trip the fan alarm every time you start up. When it's running, I can trip the alarm by stopping the fan and the rpms drop to "0"! I guess it's all tied to the temperature of the CPU at the time. I have such good airflow through my case that I can completely remove the CPU fan, and while it gets to mid 40s at idle, it won't overheat! Some motherboards, like the P5N-E have no PWM fan control setting at all. Gina's fan failed and she had to get a new one from Arctic, but hers is only controlled by the thermal control built into the Arctic Freezer 7 Pro itself, because you can't control a PWM fan by voltage control properly. Just what I think is happening, that's all!
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Russ
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24. March 2008 @ 21:34 |
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well after a hour and 12 mins still stable on orthos. highest the temp has gotten is 54c
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24. March 2008 @ 21:42 |
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Rob,
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well after a hour and 12 mins still stable on orthos. highest the temp has gotten is 54c
First thing is, what speed is the CPU running at? The next thing is what's it going to do after evrything is cooled down and you fire it up again. Remember, you've been in that same situation before, where it failed after cooling down from a long Orthos run that showed no errors. Your temps are about the same as mine after a long Orthos run. At least if you know that it's not the memory or the CPU, I'm pretty sure you will be able to RMA the MB faster because of all the testing you're doing.
Best Regards,
Russ
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