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DVD Shrink Freezing during backup
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2. July 2004 @ 10:36 |
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pany
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2. July 2004 @ 17:35 |
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???Was this before or after converting from FAT32 to NTFS???
When it was FAT32
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Thanks for the link for the registry cleaner
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2. July 2004 @ 18:08 |
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pany
Doc deserves an answer.
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2. July 2004 @ 18:43 |
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I hope that removing the remnants of Shrink from the registry does the trick. If it doesn't...
Here's my thinking about the FAT32 to NTFS conversion. Theoretically the conversion is supposed to go fine. My experience on one occasion says otherwise. I also know that FAT32 is/was notorious for fragmented and corrupted files, etc., and I think it is possible that a necessary file might not have made it through the conversion process. Anyway, running a system file check might root this out. Here's some info you might be able to use:
http://www.networkclue.com/os/Windows/commands/sfc.php
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pany
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3. July 2004 @ 18:56 |
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Anyway, running a system file check might root this out.
I removed Shrink from the Windows uninstall. Last time I was looking for Shrink not DVD Shrink. That's why I didn't find it. Anyway I uninstalled it ran the registry cleaner, reinstalled shrink from a new download and ran shrink. It still froze. What I was also thinking is after my switch to NTFS I never ran defrag. Will try that either Sunday or Monday. I have people coming tonight and are staying in the room where my computer is so well I will not be able to work on this for a day or two.
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Doc deserves an answer.
I am sorry if I did not reply to something, which one did I misas?? I know you guys are trying to figure this out to help me, I do appreciate it and try to do whatever is suggested and let you know what happens...
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3. July 2004 @ 19:32 |
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We're OK on the replies...except the part about running the System File Check. If you have a bad file, you might be able to repair it. Check out the link I gave you above.
That's unfortunate that a re-installation of Shrink didn't work. Here's the thing...we've eliminated anything hardware related...even though I think a 1.1GHz CPU is on the light side. But Shrink did work in the beginning, so this points to software. I re-read everything going back to June 17th, and there is one last thing I can think of to try. Your Shrink appears to be connected to Nero. I would uncheck Nero under Edit-Preferences-File I/O and see if that changes anything.
Have a nice 4th holiday and let us know what happened when you can get back on the project.
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Added on 7-4. Here is another thing to try. Since DeCrypter works, rip the files with it, and use Shrink's "Open Files" to import the DeCrypter files from the HD. And then run Backup without making any changes, and see if Shrink freezes on you then.
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pany
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5. July 2004 @ 20:21 |
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Since DeCrypter works, rip the files with it, and use Shrink's "Open Files" to import the DeCrypter files from the HD. And then run Backup without making any changes, and see if Shrink freezes on you then.
Tried this tonight, used Decrypter to copy disc to HD, then used Shrink. Froze at 39%, had 115mb free ram at that point.
I haev tried to unassociate Nero and it also froze.
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5. July 2004 @ 21:02 |
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Well, the test was a thought. I don't quite understand your comment...
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I haev tried to unassociate Nero and it also froze.
Are you saying that your system freezes as soon as you uncheck the "Nero box" in Shrink?
Anyway, pany...you've not made any response to the suggestion about running a system file check. This is an operating system repair procedure that might fix your problem. If you need to know more about this, please advise.
@Sophocles. pany did say that he had used Shrink without any problems...and that he uses XP. I use W2k, and know very little about the system restore feature of XP. Could he "go back" to the time when Shrink worked if he knew when this was?
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pany
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6. July 2004 @ 08:24 |
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Well, the test was a thought. I don't quite understand your comment
Sorry about that...
I unchecked the box to "burn with Nero" in Shrink. When I ran Shrink it still froze.
The Windows XP Restore on my PC will only go back about 1 week. Last week when I ran one of the utilities it said that I might lose my XP Restore points and I did. Anyway, when I originally started having problems with Shrink I tried to go back but it still froze.
I looked at the system file check utility and it said "For you XP users, SFC should be used as a last resort." Seemed kind of serious so I was kind of nervous about using it but I will probably try this tonight as we have narrowed it down to probably being a problem with software.
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6. July 2004 @ 08:55 |
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it said "For you XP users, SFC should be used as a last resort."
This is another way of saying one should check out the simple or easy things first...like ASPI and DMA. Or to do a system restore. From my own experience, I believe we are quickly getting to last resorts...with the last one being to do a fresh install.
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6. July 2004 @ 09:19 |
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Once Windows XP's registry or system files becomes corrupted it just continues to get worse. It may be time for a clean reinstall.
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pany
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6. July 2004 @ 09:57 |
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with the last one being to do a fresh install.
When you guys say fresh/clean install - are you just talking about Shrink?? If so I did uninstall Shrink a few days ago, downloaded a new shrink file and re-installed. I assume that when doing an uninstall through XP it removes the registry items.
Right now Shrink is the only thing that seems to be not working correctly.
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6. July 2004 @ 10:02 |
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pany
When you do a clean reinstall of XP it wipes everything, if you just rerun setup and your registry is corrupted it will probably still be corrupted when you've finished.
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6. July 2004 @ 10:36 |
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pany ... Shrink is a proven sw app. If it isn't working after cleaning the registry and re-installing it, then this points to a problem with the XP operating system. A file repair might work, but this doesn't always work...and in my own experience...this can sometimes make things worse.
For what it is worth, I end up doing a "clean install" regularly with W2k. So much so, that I keep one of my old HD's formatted with all the essential sw so that all I have to do clone it to my working drive. Cloning is only about a 1 hour process, and so there comes a time where I just have to decide if I want to spend more time troubleshooting, or simply start over?
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pany
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6. July 2004 @ 11:03 |
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clean reinstall of XP it wipes everything
Since I only have the one program not working, a clean install is a bit too much for me to get involved with. I am not exactly a "newbie" but I am not advanced either. If the system file check utility in xp does not fix it I will just try to fiddle around and see what else can be done. In the meantime I still have DVD-X-Copy Platinum even though I had preferred Shrink.
In case you guys can come up with anything else pls let me know. I will let u know how the system file check utility goes. In the meantime I appreciate all the help you've given.
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pany
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7. July 2004 @ 06:48 |
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SFC
Tried it last night. Unfortunately had trouble with it finding the original files. Found an article that told how to put needed files from original XP disc onto the HD and to adjust registry to point to correct directories to search. Unfortunately SFC still came up with requests for XP Professional SP1 & SP2 discs (I have XP Home) and XP Home SP1 which should be on the HD. The XP Home SP1 files I tried to search for (the article I found said where Windows should store it) but could not locate it. In addition, it does not give the names of the suspect dll's so that I can search for the original (or updated) versions. But it went through as much as possible.
Anyway, did not have a chance to retry Shrink, will try that hopefully tonight.
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7. July 2004 @ 10:53 |
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pany ... I believe a clean install is in your near future. Once some files get corrupted, it is often downhill from there...as Sophocles pointed out above.
The best advice that I could offer a first-timer would be to get another hard drive and to try the installation procedure on it first...and to do this until you become comfortable with the proces. By using this approach you will still have a working drive you can use simply by switching the IDE cable back to the original. Just make sure the main power is off when you do the switching.
If you have budget considerations...I would suggest a used Maxtor off eBay. Maxtor has the most user-friendly utilities (a download)I have found.(These get the drive ready for the OS installation.) If you get something in the 20+GB range, it could eventually become useful as a second HD for DVD activity. This setup will also reduce fragging on the primary drive.
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7. July 2004 @ 12:02 |
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If you have budget considerations
Hell you could probably get away with installing to something like C:\WindowsCopy2 and then choosing from a boot menu ... takes a bit of trickery to get things working then but it's cheapest -- free! :P
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7. July 2004 @ 13:05 |
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@Praetor...
I was wondering if you could elaborate a little bit on this procedure? I keep learning "tricky" things all the time. Such as, will this procedure always allow a user to have internet access regardless of what state the clean install is in? I always thought that once the boot record was gone, nothing else on the drive would be accessable. (The reason I mention internet access is because this is a very good source of info when a user has questions/problems.)
With a second HD setup, the OS and internet access can be setup and used in case there are eventual problems with setting up the original drive. (Or, one could even use a cloning program such as Drive Image 7, or Ghost that comes with Norton SystemWorks to setup/clone to the original.)
The primary purpose of my response to pany was to lead him in the direction of a "solution" to his Shrink problems. It might not be the best solution, but I sensed that even offering this might have exceeded the scope of AD's purpose. (Perhaps you could give me a reading on this policy?)
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7. July 2004 @ 14:25 |
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Pany
I know this sounds strange but a reformat is not a very difficult thing to do and sometimes its the quickest and often the only way to resolve some problems. If you've spent more than a day or more trying to fix your current problem then you are wasting your time. Just look at what you want to save and start saving it on to DVDRW or CDRW. I do that already on a daily basis so that if I should mess something up then I get donw to buisness and reformat and an hour or so later I have a clean operating system. Make sure you have all of your Driver disks handy.
Doc I think Praetor was referring to a salvage operation.
If you type the following commands into your computer, it will work magic, akin to going back in time. There are three parts to this process, but believe me, they take much less time than reinstalling Windows XP and all your applications. So follow along with me, and keep in mind that each command must be typed exactly as you see it here. Please note that this procedure assumes that Windows XP is installed to the C:\Windows folder. Make sure to change C:\Windows to the appropriate windows folder if it's at a different location. The copy commands will answer you with a little "file copied" message. The delete commands just move on to the next line. Because of the way your Web browser displays individual lines, a command might look to you like it's two lines, so I've separated each command by an empty line. But anyway, type the whole command in one line, and when you've finished typing that command, hit the Enter key. Be sure to include the spaces I've included between each word here:
md tmp
copy C:\windows\system32\config\system C:\windows\tmp\system.bak
copy C:\windows\system32\config\software C:\windows\tmp\software.bak
copy C:\windows\system32\config\sam C:\windows\tmp\sam.bak
copy C:\windows\system32\config\security C:\windows\tmp\security.bak
copy C:\windows\system32\config\default C:\windows\tmp\default.bak
delete C:\windows\system32\config\system
delete C:\windows\system32\config\software
delete C:\windows\system32\config\Sam
delete C:\windows\system32\config\security
delete C:\windows\system32\config\default
copy C:\windows\repair\system C:\windows\system32\config\system
copy C:\windows\repair\software C:\windows\system32\config\software
copy C:\windows\repair\sam C:\windows\system32\config\sam
copy C:\windows\repair\security C:\windows\system32\config\security
copy C:\windows\repair\default C:\windows\system32\config\default
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7. July 2004 @ 15:26 |
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@Sophocles...
Thanks for taking the time to explain this approach. This is a very neat procedure. I am still using W2k (while my edition of XP Home gathers dust), and so I don't know about all of XP's capabilities. I'm also thinking it might be time to dust off my XP and give it another try. Anyway, this info is really good, and I've saved it for future use.
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7. July 2004 @ 15:32 |
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No prob Doc, I have Win2k on my wife's and son's computer but its XP Pro for me.
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7. July 2004 @ 16:33 |
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Well...without going into the details of the "why"...I also need to have 98SE and Me around; I went to mobile trays to allow an easy switch-over. It's now quicker and easier to clone a drive (which can be used as a boot if necessary) rather than to do a normal backup procedure. It will be interesting to see how XP handles this with its "one OS per computer requirement?"
Regarding pany's situation, do you think there should there be any concern over the fact that he was prompted for XP Pro discs during the SFC ... when he actually has Home installed?
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7. July 2004 @ 17:31 |
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I was wondering if you could elaborate a little bit on this procedure? I keep learning "tricky" things all the time
This technique I suggest isnt ideal but it allows you to test without buying a new harddisk (and only works if you have enough room for another installation of Windows). Essentially goto install windows again and use the C: drive (or whatever) and if it pops up a box saying something like "you cant install to C:\Windows" or something just change it to install to "C:\Windows2" or something... at the last step, DONT format and then you will have two copies of Windows on one partition --- messy, unideal... but cheap.
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Doc I think Praetor was referring to a salvage operation.
Kind of... I just suggested that if (s)he couldnt get a new harddrive and install windows there (which would be ideal) because of budget reasons or whatnot.
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without going into the details of the "why"...I also need to have 98SE and Me around
I'm curious... enlighten me (in a PM if you must)
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It will be interesting to see how XP handles this with its "one OS per computer requirement?"
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7. July 2004 @ 19:29 |
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There is no problem setting up 2 XP OSs. The fun part comes when you try to clean up and remove one.
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