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26. November 2008 @ 22:51 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
WTF cant anyone have an original thought of there own???or does everything done have to be copied from what someone else has done or wants to do??????
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26. November 2008 @ 23:23 |
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WTF cant anyone have an original thought of there own???or does everything done have to be copied from what someone else has done or wants to do??????
I'm sorry Rob, I didn't mean to do it, but I'm weak man.;P
Hmm! I'd give stick of memory to know what Russ erased. LOL
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26. November 2008 @ 23:27 |
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not you Soph,Russ.....
im just tired of this i cant take this shit any more...
im outta here.
you'd be suprised....
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26. November 2008 @ 23:42 |
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Uhh, what's going on?
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26. November 2008 @ 23:49 |
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DUhh, what's going on?
Go back and read a few posts and then extrapolate.
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26. November 2008 @ 23:56 |
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Looks to me like Russ just likes quoting so you know who he is replying to. I don't really see the problem...
Maybe I'm just a naive child.
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27. November 2008 @ 00:06 |
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Looks to me like Russ just likes quoting so you know who he is replying to. I don't really see the problem...
He replied with a quote but he erased the reply. If you don't see a problem then perhaps that is part of the problem.
I'm still waiting for a reply to an earlier post!
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hmm! I window shop microcenter everyday looking for deals on Vid cards, processors, memory, and motherboards and I have never seen a Q6600 for less than $180, certainly not for $105!!!
My point is simple! If you are challenging the price of an item that was posted by someone else with another item that you claim is a better item for about the same price, then you had better be able to show that it can also be just as easily purchased. To do otherwise is to pollute the thread with non information which in turn confuses the daylights out of first time or inexperienced members. It is also a waste of time for those of us who have experience but are left to try to explain it. Then newbies are left to go wandering off into the wilderness looking for the Holy Grail!!
You still aren't showing anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are a number of members who are sick of what this thread has become. The quoted response above is just a part of that. A very small number of members have coopted this thread and converted it into a chat room filled with unqualified debates and suggestions that serves no one, but those making them, and then it only serves ego gratifications. Russ no doubt left this thread and started an AMD thread to get away from this, and Mort has just left it altogether and I don't blame him.
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Maybe I'm just a naive child.
Or maybe you're just a child.
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27. November 2008 @ 00:19 |
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No, I mean Rob posted that before Russ did that. Plus I think he is just messin around.
Also about my comment. It's easy enough if you look. Why must you be spoon-fed everything? On ebay, just yesterday, 4 Q6600s were sold in the 130-140 price range. Just look around it's easy enough to find if you're willing to wait a few days. I could go on OCNET and go buy one right now, couldn't I? There always is one or two guys selling them on there.
But yeah this is all I have. I can't find any retail for that cheap.
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27. November 2008 @ 00:44 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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WTF cant anyone have an original thought of there own???or does everything done have to be copied from what someone else has done or wants to do??????
I'm sorry Rob, I didn't mean to do it, but I'm weak man.;P
Hmm! I'd give stick of memory to know what Russ erased. LOL
I think that I know what's going on but I believe it's Rob's prerogative to say in his own words if he decides to stay around. If he doesn't then I don't blame him and there's always other places to "hang" out.. especially if you're a member of the hound pound. :)
I personally wouldn't let someone dictate how I operate or what I do if I could help it. Just tell them to FO and go on about my business I say. :D
RedRob good luck to you and with your decisions.. you know how and where to get a hold of me. ;)
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27. November 2008 @ 00:52 |
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abuzar/spamual - I think it would be wise and better all round if you posted outside of this thread, or better still don't post anywhere at all unless you have anything of value to post. Quite a few of us are tired of sifting thru rubbish posts and i for one am sick of seeing it drive members (who have posts worth reading) away.
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27. November 2008 @ 02:02 |
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Sophocles,
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He replied with a quote but he erased the reply. If you don't see a problem then perhaps that is part of the problem.
I'm still waiting for a reply to an earlier post!
Actually, it was done in error. I started to ask Rob if he meant me by his outburst which came before my unintentional reply, but thought better of it. I erased my reply and like an idiot hit send. I'm a bit tired as I've been making Pies all day and getting other stuff ready for tomorrow. No excuse, just the facts. I just decided to leave it alone and see what shook out of it all! Hell Soph, you even thought possibly that he was talking about you, didn't you? You even apologized for it.
Did I miss a post directed at me?? If I did, I'm sorry. Frankly I still don't understand what the hell is going on, or why there's an issue in the first place. I do know that a situation like this is why I've been asking people to put a name on a post so we know who is being asked or told what!
I still have no idea what Rob was referring to! If it was my advice to Will, I think it was good advice! The post Will sent was directed at me (@Russ) and I answered it honestly and to the best of my ability! I didn't tell him what to do, I just told him what I would do if it was mine, and why.
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No, I mean Rob posted that before Russ did that. Plus I think he is just messin around.
No! He is angry, but I have no idea about what, or why!
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Soph said:My point is simple! If you are challenging the price of an item that was posted by someone else with another item that you claim is a better item for about the same price, then you had better be able to show that it can also be just as easily purchased.
I understand what soph is saying. You compared the price of a used CPU against the cost of a new one, without indicating that it was used. I know that unless I knew and trusted the person doing the selling, I would never buy a used processor, especially since Intel now demands a copy of the invoice when you RMA a CPU! If you aren't the original purchaser, you have no warranty! If it was a gift,as a new item you would have to get the original buyer to RMA it, and that's straight from Intel!
I'm going back to the old way of replying to posts. It's too easy to mess things up, especially if there is more than one person involved and it's a multiple quote. I only changed because of pressure to do so because I messed up a few names with my quotes.
I started the new AMD thread because every time someone came here to the building thread and mentioned they wanted to build and AMD, all they heard about was how much better the Intels are, and suggestions for a better substitute using an Intel. I got tired of seeing people leave because of it. There are still a great many people out there that like AMDs and don't want anything to do with Intel, so it's a moot point whether it's better or not. I've said it from the first day I put the x2 4800+ tegether, that I want one. Automatically, that makes me be stupid here! I've also said from day one that the AMD's do certain things better than the Intels, and this was magnified in my eyes when I built the recent x2 4400+ on the AM2+ MB. I was stunned by the difference between it and another x2 4400+ I had just finished working on. I don't care about the benchmarks, I care about what the computer can do. People take benchmarks as the "tell all" about performance, and IMO far too seriously. In the first place, they are synthetic benchmarks, not the actual real life performance. There are so many variables that come into play besides the benches. It's the reason I decided to negotiate for the eMachine and build the x2 4800+. Granted the only thing left that's original is the MB as I replaced all the other stuff with quality parts. Even the lowly 3800+ Sempron that came out of the eMachine, that I gave to GM, attracted my attention. No great shakes as a Processor, but light years better than a comparable Celeron. Again, it does things so much faster. Now I'm going to find out why, for myself!
One of the things that's going to doom this thread eventually is that some people feel that they are entitled to their opinions, as long as you agree with them. So how come if you disagree or have a different viewpoint, you are automatically wrong? It's become a "Chat Room"! When's the last time this thread actually helped someone doing a build. Half the time if I do try, I get treated like I'm senile or suffer from "Oldtimers"! Yet I think I'm the only one who gave decent advice to Chui2k8. He asked what he could do to improve his old Dell. I told him about the only thing he could realistically do with it is increase the memory. Anything else would not be worth the expense for the small gains he could get out of it! The key here is, he asked, I answered his question! That's what we are supposed to be here for!
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27. November 2008 @ 02:07 |
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creaky...
huh? is this from the argument before or the reply about the ACF7P?
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27. November 2008 @ 05:29 |
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Originally posted by spamual:
creaky...
huh? is this from the argument before or the reply about the ACF7P?
It's an ongoing thing.
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27. November 2008 @ 08:26 |
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Abuzar: Then they're lying for the most part. 3.6Ghz is the best the Q6600s ever got to stable on anything other than stupid volts, and this is with the best revisions, let alone the later, or the earliest ones.
I've no objection to you saying you can find them for $130 when you see them on ebay for that much, I've not looked myself but that seems realistic. However, you ought to clarify that you meant second hand.
The rest of all this is way over my head, I'm not going to ask...
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27. November 2008 @ 09:58 |
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I understand what soph is saying. You compared the price of a used CPU against the cost of a new one, without indicating that it was used.
Even worse is that it's not even available anywhere, and I think that he was out and out lying. He claims to have gotten one on a thread, so he posted the info from a forum where there was only one used item for sale, but he wasn't the buyer so he retracted the statement and pointed to Micro Center where he claimed to have gotten one for $105. Micro Center is now has always sold them at $179. The reason is quite simple. A Q6600 wholesales for about $145 so who is going to loose $40 on a sale, even on a loss-leader? Now that Micro Center didn't have them it's Ebay! LOL
The only point of such as post was to act as a spoiler for no particular reason other than "one up-man-ship." I've grown a little weary of this kind of posting so I called him out just to get to the truth. It was something that had to be done and I believe that I made my point so I am done with it.
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27. November 2008 @ 10:10 |
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Seems fair. They seem to, for the most part, be selling for a bit more than 130 on ebay anyway. I would certainly call most of the Phenoms 'very cheap' compared to the Q6600, which I think was the original catalyst for this discussion. That said though, without wishing to start an Intel vs AMD rant, from what I recall, the Phenom 9850 was the Q6600's performance equal, and that's $170. Granted, AMD sell cheaper quad cores than Intel, but to be frank, they're bested by almost any Intel Dual core outside of a 4-core environment, and even in 4-core apps, an E7300 is only $120, and that would keep pace with the 3-core Phenom at stock, if you overclock it, it could match the similarly priced quads. There's certainly a market for AMD builds, but in my mind it's for the super cost-effective X2 builds, not the Phenoms.
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27. November 2008 @ 10:52 |
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I realize you don't want me posting here and that's fine. but I need to straighten something out.
Soph, you think I was LYING? lol You think you're THAT important? I don't lie. Period. I sent you FOUR threads not ONE and I linked you to the deal at Frys when they were selling them for 105 with a motherboard. I even said I was mistaken when I referred to Microcenter.
Seriously what is wrong with you guys anyway? You guys get pissy over little small things, you're like a bunch of 12 year old girls who have just experienced menarche.
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27. November 2008 @ 10:56 |
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Abuzar - that illustrates my point. If you can't post like an adult, don't post with adults.
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27. November 2008 @ 10:59 |
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And you guys are obviously SO adult like?
I mean I thought we were here to discuss computers? Why is it that everyone just throws a fit and decides to quit the thread every few months?
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27. November 2008 @ 11:01 |
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That said though, without wishing to start an Intel vs AMD rant, from what I recall, the Phenom 9850 was the Q6600's performance equal, and that's $170.
The 9850 is the price equivalent of the Q6600, but remember that the 9600 is a black edition which means that it has an unlocked multiplier. If the core speeds are the same and clock speed is the only difference then an unlocked multiplier renders that point moot.
I have no doubt that some lower priced processors can be had on Ebay including the Q6600., but the new Q6600 on Ebay are going for $170-$180 there too. I saw a couple of used Q6600 with a starting bid of $132.50 plus shipping costs. The one I'm looking at now has a starting bid of $132.50 and a shipping cost of $7. It's 8 months old and it's been overclocked. Now that doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with it, but if it was overclocked to 3.6 GHz for 8 months according to its owner then how much of its life has been used? Also one has to be careful when posting prices from Ebay because they are usually starting bid prices that will change before the item is sold.
I posted the info on the AMD 9600 because as many have noted AMD hasn't been given a fair shot in this thread. A person who already has an AMD setup with a dual core in it could see this as a decent and inexpensive upgrade, especially overclocked to 2.6 GHz or better. I'm not looking for an AMD Intel war either because everyone knows that my current stuff is all Intel, although I kind of wished my P5W DH could house an AM2+ because it would make a decent encoding alternative.
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Abuzar - I won't say this again. Post correctly or don't post at all. Period.
Now if you don't mind i have my hands full with pages of 'non-working' people abusing a certain section of the site due to Virgin Media or a.n.other cable company cutting off connection to their (non paid-for) services, nationwide.
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27. November 2008 @ 11:06 |
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im sorry creaky, but i wont stop posting. if you do not want me posting here then ban me from this thread, but i still want to remain on aD, for the other PC threads.
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27. November 2008 @ 11:15 |
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I spotted the 9600, but I think it was Russ that said you're likely to end up with one of those that still has the bug, or suffers degraded performance from how it was fixed, not sure which. Thing is, how far does the multiplier go, and how far will the CPU go?
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27. November 2008 @ 11:16 |
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spamual - It's really simple. Like i said to abuzer, Post correctly or not at all. Threads such as this are not here to keep bored fingers occupied.
It is not fair on those who come here for genuine help to keep sifting thru rubbish & irrelevance. And if certain individuals had some respect for others and the general viewing public then moderators wouldn't have to clutter up threads (over and over again) saying the same things to the same people. I'm not here threatening bans i'm here (wasting breath as usual) trying to coax bored fingers to think before posting. Show some maturity, most of us have been around since before the internet and know how to show restraint before posting..
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27. November 2008 @ 11:24 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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That said though, without wishing to start an Intel vs AMD rant, from what I recall, the Phenom 9850 was the Q6600's performance equal, and that's $170.
The 9850 is the price equivalent of the Q6600, but remember that the 9600 is a black edition which means that it has an unlocked multiplier. If the core speeds are the same and clock speed is the only difference then an unlocked multiplier renders that point moot.
I have no doubt that some lower priced processors can be had on Ebay including the Q6600., but the new Q6600 on Ebay are going for $170-$180 there too. I saw a couple of used Q6600 with a starting bid of $132.50 plus shipping costs. The one I'm looking at now has a starting bid of $132.50 and a shipping cost of $7. It's 8 months old and it's been overclocked. Now that doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with it, but if it was overclocked to 3.6 GHz for 8 months according to its owner then how much of its life has been used? Also one has to be careful when posting prices from Ebay because they are usually starting bid prices that will change before the item is sold.
I posted the info on the AMD 9600 because as many have noted AMD hasn't been given a fair shot in this thread. A person who already has an AMD setup with a dual core in it could see this as a decent and inexpensive upgrade, especially overclocked to 2.6 GHz or better. I'm not looking for an AMD Intel war either because everyone knows that my current stuff is all Intel, although I kind of wished my P5W DH could house an AM2+ because it would make a decent encoding alternative.
if one checks the completed listings one can see the prices ranging from $110 to $170 :)
also processors that are overclocked wont just give way in a year, im sure you must have an old OCed CPU that you are still using? sam, is your E4300 still OCed?
by the time it could have given up, im sure we could have gone through 2/3 different processors.
creaky, IMO you are being unfair on boozer. he has backed up all his points, and yet you accuse him of not talking like an adult, but you dont explain how he isnt talking like and adult. this site doesnt require you to be 18 to sign up, so we dont have to talk like adults (though i am legally one, mentally in 5 :D HAHHAHA!!)
i do feel that i have to say that when the members do end up arguing, i feel, not sure about boozer/sam or other the other youth/young adults, that the mods instantaneously pick sides with the older posters. i feel that it is unfair, and why arnt both sides told to pack it in, not just us?
just becuase we are younger then you lot doesnt mean we are worse posters than you. most people tend not to post help on this thread, why that maybe, who knows, but most people make their own threads and ask in their. the only crap that is here is things posted not about computers, and normally if you check, we ARE posting about computers, even if me and russ differ, its still about components (PSSHT russ, ASUS>GB :P haha! :D). right now this post has been half abotu components, and half about replying to you, which is OT, and you could have told me in a PM.
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