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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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Any Flaming Results in a Temp Ban or Worse. Your Choice!!!
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20. November 2008 @ 22:05 |
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If you don't mind me asking Soph/Russ, how is the Donald? I haven't chatted to him in ages.
Donald, l8, and I've restarted the Hounds folding team so we hear from him everyday. He hasn't changed much, his humor is as dry as ever. In fact he's online at hounds this very moment.
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20. November 2008 @ 22:07 |
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Wow, that takes me back. Bet one of your machines can probably do as much work as the whole team used to do!
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20. November 2008 @ 22:15 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Good stuff.
Are there restrictions on which AM2 chips you can stick in geforce 6100 boards? My mate's fileserver could do with an upgrade from a Sempron :)
As far as I know, AM2 and AM2+ are motherboard related and have nothing to do with the chip. If it's socket "F" it should work for any single or dual core socket "F" chip! The Low Wattage AMD's are designed to make better use of the features of the AM2+. That's why my big interest in the 5050e with the "e" being the key as it will gain all the features of the AM2+. If it does what I expect it to do, here's my new PC!
Would look real nice with my sound system and it's perfect for me! 2 Opticals, 2 Sata HDDs. Finer than a Red Froghair! AMD is going to sell a ton of these new chipsets and a lot of the "e" CPUs as well!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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20. November 2008 @ 22:59 |
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Originally posted by rick5446:
I run accross this at Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134R
Open Box: ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler $12.99
Reg price is 27.00
rick I've purchased quite a few "open box" items and had NO problems what so ever. It may be luck of the draw but I've purchased 6-7 open box items and the EGG is still batting .1000. :D I even bought an ACF7 from them. :)
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21. November 2008 @ 17:43 |
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Rick
I also have purchased a lot of open boxed items with no regrets at all and when I say a lot I mean a lot. LOL
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Wow, that takes me back. Bet one of your machines can probably do as much work as the whole team used to do!
Individually all of our rigs can do much more than our old systems did. We are bringing in more points in a day than we used to bring in for a whole month, about 45000 to 50000 points per day combined.
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21. November 2008 @ 18:08 |
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Hey Russ, I followed your link on that water cooling kit:
this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835108105
and it was interesting, but there are some pros and cons. The price is nice at $139 - not really much more than a Tuniq or what not, and one of the reviews said it had been awarded "best water cooler under $2,000" ???? and most of the guys were getting 20 degree cooler than air, which is exciting.
But lots of the newegg reviews talked about leaks. Apparently the block is plastic, and there is an o-ring that is problematic - you have to really tighten it down carefully. Are you put off by that at all, and if not, why not?
-Rich
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21. November 2008 @ 18:22 |
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You will never find a perfect review on anything that requires thinking from newegg. The truth is that things go wrong but why they go wrong often depends on who's at the other end.
I purchased this item a little over two years ago and it is still working like a charm. All that I have to do is top it off with a little distilled water every now and then. It won't fit in your case because the unit is too large. I've grown since then but it as good a unit as one can buy for $149.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181004
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21. November 2008 @ 18:23 |
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Plastic anything other than the pump casing (sometimes even that too) and the actual tubes = leaks. ALWAYS.
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21. November 2008 @ 18:29 |
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Originally posted by harvrdguy:
Hey Russ, I followed your link on that water cooling kit:
this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835108105
and it was interesting, but there are some pros and cons. The price is nice at $139 - not really much more than a Tuniq or what not, and one of the reviews said it had been awarded "best water cooler under $2,000" ???? and most of the guys were getting 20 degree cooler than air, which is exciting.
But lots of the newegg reviews talked about leaks. Apparently the block is plastic, and there is an o-ring that is problematic - you have to really tighten it down carefully. Are you put off by that at all, and if not, why not?
-Rich
It's a problem that cropped up early, and has been addressed as you can well imagine it would be. The WC blocks on some of the Asus motherboards suffered from the same problem. It should be a non issue at this time. Lets face it, they wouldn't stay in business very long if the problem wasn't corrected!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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harvrdguy
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21. November 2008 @ 18:59 |
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Sophocles, that little external cooler looked good - what type of waterblock - plastic or not? The 500 watts of cooling sounded quite sufficient for sure - sounds like it would take care of a cpu and a 4870x2 board at the same time. Is there anything that would fit in a tempest (virtually a full tower) that would provide as much cooling?
Russ, staying in business without correcting a problem? Hmmmm, well, I don't know about that. Gecube stayed in business for quite a while, and the entire time their tec coolers kept uncoupling from the x1950 graphics cards - thank god I never got around to buying one.
What do you say about sam's comment, which is the same thought that I had - plastic equals leaks. I would think that one would at least want to make sure that the water block was a solid non-plastic part that was not going to leak all over your card, be it mobo or gfx. Out of curiousity, if you know offhand, how much more would it cost to upgrade to a system with that type of water block for somebody say, like sam, who refused to trust plastic waterblocks.
-Rich
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21. November 2008 @ 20:13 |
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my water cooling set up is this:
CPU Block: Swiftech GTZ
Radiator: ThermoChill PA120.3
Pump: Swiftech Laing D5 Vario MCP655
Reservoir: EK Multioption 150
Barbs: EK 1/2" Barbs
Hoseclips: Wormtail Hoseclips
Tubing: XSPC 1/2" tubing
Anti Kink Coils: Primochill 3/4" Black
Coolant: Feser1 UV Pink
anything else im missing?
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21. November 2008 @ 20:20 |
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21. November 2008 @ 20:23 |
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Originally posted by spamual:
my water cooling set up is this:
CPU Block: Swiftech GTZ
Radiator: ThermoChill PA120.3
Pump: Swiftech Laing D5 Vario MCP655
Reservoir: EK Multioption 150
Barbs: EK 1/2" Barbs
Hoseclips: Wormtail Hoseclips
Tubing: XSPC 1/2" tubing
Anti Kink Coils: Primochill 3/4" Black
Coolant: Feser1 UV Pink
anything else im missing?
as in i have bought and set up this. is there anyhting missing from a normal set up which i have not told you lot?
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harvrdguy
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22. November 2008 @ 01:28 |
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Sophocles, thanks for the links - an excellent product. No doubt - Corsair did a good job with this product. They talk about an excellent waterblock and ease of installation. You might pick up a little noise being external like that - you've got 1800 rpm pushing over 70cfm through that radiator right in front of you - they had some db charts with a variety of comparisons.
My new case is going to be the Tempest, which also does put out some noise with lots of case airflow. They claim it is a mid-tower, but it's about 1/2 inch narrower, 1/2 inch shorter, and 1/2 inch as tall as a full tower - so it's pretty big.
I think I'd prefer a solution that went completely inside if I went with water. Plus the tempest apparently is set up to mount a radiator on top - there are two 140mm fans up there. So I guess I'd be looking at an internal pump - mount the radiator where the fans already are, and add some quality waterblocks, like that swiftech gtz Shaff just posted. What do you think about Shaff's component list above? He's got that beautiful Lian-li Buckingham Palace he's stuffing full of goodness! LOL
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22. November 2008 @ 01:48 |
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Originally posted by harvrdguy:
Sophocles, that little external cooler looked good - what type of waterblock - plastic or not? The 500 watts of cooling sounded quite sufficient for sure - sounds like it would take care of a cpu and a 4870x2 board at the same time. Is there anything that would fit in a tempest (virtually a full tower) that would provide as much cooling?
Russ, staying in business without correcting a problem? Hmmmm, well, I don't know about that. Gecube stayed in business for quite a while, and the entire time their tec coolers kept uncoupling from the x1950 graphics cards - thank god I never got around to buying one.
What do you say about sam's comment, which is the same thought that I had - plastic equals leaks. I would think that one would at least want to make sure that the water block was a solid non-plastic part that was not going to leak all over your card, be it mobo or gfx. Out of curiousity, if you know offhand, how much more would it cost to upgrade to a system with that type of water block for somebody say, like sam, who refused to trust plastic waterblocks.
-Rich
On the Swiftech, the pump is on the heatsink and the leaking problems have been resloved. They recommend installing it as a sandwich with the Radiator being the meat in between the case and Rear fan! I would prefer to put it on the outside with the case being the meat between the fan and radiator. The Corsair is a good unit, but I don't much care for it's mobility. I have a cat that just pushes everything out of her way, and I would be upset if I found it dangling in the breeze! Does it have an option to be securely bolted down?
One of the main things I like about the Swiftech is regardless of whether you mount it inside or out, it's securely mounted to the case! I was seriously thinking about the Swiftech for my computer, but it looks like I'm selling it so I can build an AMD, and I won't need water cooling for that! Not with a 45w CPU, anyway!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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22. November 2008 @ 02:32 |
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If the NZXT Tempest is anything like any of NZXT's past cases, it'll be far from noisy. Usually they use 1100rpm fans, which even in 140mm variety will be nice and quiet.
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22. November 2008 @ 09:40 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
If the NZXT Tempest is anything like any of NZXT's past cases, it'll be far from noisy. Usually they use 1100rpm fans, which even in 140mm variety will be nice and quiet.
Agreed sammy, the 140mm fans (AeroCool) that I've messed with are dead quiet and push plenty of air. ;) I like the Tempest case as well. I looked at it when they first came out but haven't purchased anything and won't until I make a decision on a new CPU and mobo. I still want to do some research on the new stuff from Intel. It's NOT that over priced and it also seems that good things are happening. :D
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22. November 2008 @ 12:41 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
I still want to do some research on the new stuff from Intel. It's NOT that over priced and it also seems that good things are happening. :D
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the price's truly isn't that bad for the new I7 stuff, other than the big CPU the X965 just over $1000. the 940 is a little high but not much more than the Q9650 just over $550 and the 920 @ $299 which is less than the Q9550. so they can be had. its just the mobo is almost twice as much as a LG775 mobo depending on model. and the DDR3 3channel mem isn't all that bad either. 3gb of triple channel ddr3 from corsair is only $119. and i think it might have been Soph or even docTY say that Quad channel mem is in the works for the I7 stuff. Corsair dominator series even has a 3gb triple channel series with a low cas8 latency 8-8-8-24 and they are only $179. as for the coolers to go with the I7 there is only a few that are designed just for them. and plenty of existing coolers with adapters. with the I7 being bigger than the LGA775 cpus I'm not sure i wont a adapter.I'm sure the I7's will need plenty of faceplate to keep all 8 cores cool.
there is a lot of fun stuff here going on with the I7 just coming out. along with others though I'm not ready to gang onto the bandwagon and be one of the first Guinea pigs. I'm sure there is some bugs to be worked out still,from what Ive read not to many or that big but there is bugs.so I'm sure a good 6 months from now I7 will rule the PC world. and then i can afford to get on the badnwagon....lol sorry to ramble like that.
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22. November 2008 @ 12:55 |
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AHHH, NOW you guys come around to my way of thinking!
lol and Before everyone was telling me off for supporting i7. It's new tech, of course it will be bit expensive at first. You guys remember how expensive DDR2 Ram used to be?
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22. November 2008 @ 14:50 |
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You know expensive DDR3 still is? :P
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22. November 2008 @ 15:08 |
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22. November 2008 @ 15:12 |
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Yeah, it's about $180, or £140, for 3GB of high performance DDR3, versus $110 ($70 after rebates) or £90 for 4GB of high performance DDR2. Realistically, 3GB isn't sufficient for high brow systems, so you're going to need 6GB. 4GB on the other hand, is sufficient.
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22. November 2008 @ 17:28 |
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Originally posted by cincy:
there is a lot of fun stuff here going on with the I7 just coming out. along with others though I'm not ready to gang onto the bandwagon and be one of the first Guinea pigs.
I was a guinea pig for the 45nm quads (Q9450) so waiting for I7 is understandable.
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22. November 2008 @ 17:40 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
Originally posted by sammorris:
You know expensive DDR3 still is? :P
DDR3 has come down. you can get some corsair DDR3 for under $100 after mir
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLis...XMS%20Series%29
and the triple channel DDR3(for 3 sticks)is $118
so not bad at all..
True, to a point! That's cas 9 memory there! cas 7 would be better, but more expensive!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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24. November 2008 @ 20:33 |
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whats goin on peoples? droppin in to say hi drop some factory specs
of the r&r of the centurion 590,Russ your favorite Sandra specs
just getting use to new ride gonna take it easy and see what this puppy
can do..lol all factory level tests..
cpu
memory
Orthos test after 30mins
E8400
Memory
by the way check the temps on alittle stress.lol
sorry russ.. i jump ship on buying gigabyte..but i still
got 1 running ga-p35-ds3r rev 2.0 in my antec case stuck
the ga-ep35c-ds3r rev 2.1 in the box and it's under the bed..
Done out of Here!
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