Originally posted by spamual:

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russ, PVAs have a veiwing angle of 178/178, anything less is a TN :)

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Originally posted by omegaman7:

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Yah, I really appreciated that russ. But I am months out from a build. Moneys somewhat tight right now. Been looking at giga boards for a while now. The first thing I noted about them in the past was they average a larger ram capacity(Perhaps they were simply ahead of the game)! And they do average pretty good reviews as well. Hmmmfff. As much as I want to try this board, By the time im ready, there will be something WAYYY better im sure, lol. :D

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Perhaps you can explain why my Sceptre 20.1" is 170x160 and Sophocles has already shown me that mine is not a TN panel?

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i see the veiwing angles as 176/176, so yes P-MVA, but 170/160 as the asus is, is 100% TN

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ot putting it down soph

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Originally posted by Sophocles:

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i see the veiwing angles as 176/176, so yes P-MVA, but 170/160 as the asus is, is 100% TN

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That sounds reasonable as far as monitors go but have you ever looked at your monitor from more than 170? I agree the Asus is a TN panel, but it is also a different sort of TN panel, don't you think? The dot pitch is awesome for its size on any panel. We are talking 1920 by 1080 on a monitor so small with a pixel density that can't be matched by the best HD TVs. One can forgive a little color loss which can really only be seen in a side by side comparison. This has got to be a great gaming monitor and I'm betting that the pixel density will make it so sharp that it is even a decent if not quite good blu-ray monitor.

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Originally posted by spamual:

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not putting it down soph, im buying one :D for the PS3 im getting in about 2 weeks once student loans come through. i have seen it in real life, looks fantastic to me. i bit washed out, but gamam can fix that :D

very crips and clear though. TN has improved alot :)

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Before you rush out and buy one, be aware that the one sold in Europe is not the same spec as the one listed in the States. The one here only came out not quite 3 weeks ago and the pixel pitch is much smaller than the European version.

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Whether any of this is true or not, I don't know as I've seen conflicting specs for Europe. I hope it's the same as the us version as it should make a very good gaming monitor.

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Originally posted by Sophocles:

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Before you rush out and buy one, be aware that the one sold in Europe is not the same spec as the one listed in the States. The one here only came out not quite 3 weeks ago and the pixel pitch is much smaller than the European version.

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Whether any of this is true or not, I don't know as I've seen conflicting specs for Europe. I hope it's the same as the us version as it should make a very good gaming monitor.

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Is it me, or did you just disagree with yourself, before sitting on a fence? Watch out for the barbs! LOL

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Originally posted by spamual:

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well its a toss up between that and the Dell S2409W 24" which is 16:9 1080p aswell.

i know its bigger, but itll be used on my PS3 not my PC and so there wont be much if any difference, hell ive played on a 52" plasma, and the games looked fantastic, no pixelation :)

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No matter what, the Dell will never have as sharp a picture as the Asus.

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Originally posted by Sophocles:

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No matter what, the Dell will never have as sharp a picture as the Asus.

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That's only true on paper. There are other factors that provide for a sharper picture such as a difference in contrast. Contrast will affect the overall appearance of sharpness to the eye than a small difference in dot pitch.

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I don't quite agree the statement that "That's true on paper", although I do agree that there are other factors that will appear to improve the overall sharpness, and that contrast is one of them. I also don't agree that the difference in pixel pitch is as small a difference with this particular monitor. It has far more to do with the focal range than anything. What looks good from 10 feet away, doesn't necessarily look good from a normal working distance of about two feet.

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I don't quite agree the statement that "That's true on paper", although I do agree that there are other factors that will appear to improve the overall sharpness, and that contrast is one of them. I also don't agree that the difference in pixel pitch is as small a difference with this particular monitor. It has far more to do with the focal range than anything. What looks good from 10 feet away, doesn't necessarily look good from a normal working distance of about two feet.

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You have a right to disagree although I don't think that you're right. The inherent problem with the monitor is that it is still a TN panel, and TN panels tend to look a bit washed out even up close because they have the worst color contrast of all monitors. The best for color contrast is generally S-PVA and then S-IPS. Dot/pixel pitch makes a modest difference but the real difference in the apparent sharpness of a monitor is the difference between extreme whites and blacks. The reason for the reduced pixel pitch in the Asus monitor is because it was needed to get 1920 by 1080 pixels into a given space otherwise it couldn't happen. A 24 inch S-PVA has better color contrast even though its dot pitch is larger so it's going to look sharper with 1080P playback. Look at some of the larger 1080P TV's with a BD disc and you will find the ones with greater color contrast are going to look sharper even though the pixel density of a 1080P color TV (1920 by 1080) is about the same as that of a 24 inch LCD (1920 by 1200).

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