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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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3. January 2009 @ 23:13 |
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Red, I like my Red HDD led. VERY cool. What I would really like to see though is a Black Light (VIOLET?) look to my PC components! THEN, I would be on cloud 9, LOL
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4. January 2009 @ 06:00 |
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Boy, a guy just cant find a decent desktop/htpc case for a cheap price. I just want something to slap my old asus m-atx board in for a media center. They're averaging 50 + dollars for low end. Do I have to spend 50+ for a good looking case? I guess there is a higher demand for these cases than I thought
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4. January 2009 @ 06:01 |
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The Antec Tricool I believe switches between three fixed resistances, so it's much the same as just having a resistor cable attached, it shouldn't prove a problem as I controlled the Tricools in the 900 when I had it using a Rheostat with no issues whatsoever.
Omegaman: Why don't you then? UV cold cathodes are cheap these days.... :) The only thing you have to beware of is that if you have other bright LEDs in there they ruin the effect as they're far brighter than UV lighting.
You're moaning about 50 dollars? 50 dollars is low-end to me. 100 dollars is typical for a high-end case, 150 for a top-end.
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4. January 2009 @ 06:13 |
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Lol, I figured. Man, your awesome. I had no idea newegg had those. Havn't really thought of working on lighting for it yet though. THANK YOU. I simply think I should get more for 50, thats all. No, im not cheap, just thrifty, LOL
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4. January 2009 @ 08:12 |
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NZXT Alpha? That's only 70 dollars and is overall a pretty decent case.
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4. January 2009 @ 09:49 |
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@O-man7:
Here are some other retailers for you. ;)
www.svc.com
www.coolerguys.com
www.microcenter.com
www.frys.com
www.mwave.com
www.Xoxide.com
www.rima.com
www.performance-PCS.com
www.tigerdirect.com
www.jab-tech.com
These are just a few from the states that some of us use. There is more but these are some of the most used by the guys from the states in the forum. I'm sure they will add more if they desire; I even have another 15-20 that I've found in the past but DON'T use for NO particular reason. :D
hth...
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4. January 2009 @ 09:53 |
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Russ,
as Gm said when i got my GA-EP45-DS3R NOTHING about the mobo showed up in 4.50v of everest. it also showed my +12v @0.25v now it is showing the same thing my bios shows. so a update was needed for the P45 board..well the one i have anyway.
now if speedfan would update for this board.
as for the fans, i have 2 of them connected to the mobo and they are set on medium.(1600 rpms at medium setting) and the board has them only running at 1210,1216 rpms. from what i have been reading and have heard from a few other people that has these fans there isn't any problem with the style of fan control the have with the mobo effecting them. as Sam said they are in all actuality a stationary fan once set on its setting.
i got the tower back under my desk on a little platform i made for it.. it has a nice red glow to it. i now need to find some red led 140mm aero cool fans for my side panel.
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4. January 2009 @ 12:35 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The Antec Tricool I believe switches between three fixed resistances, so it's much the same as just having a resistor cable attached, it shouldn't prove a problem as I controlled the Tricools in the 900 when I had it using a Rheostat with no issues whatsoever.
Omegaman: Why don't you then? UV cold cathodes are cheap these days.... :) The only thing you have to beware of is that if you have other bright LEDs in there they ruin the effect as they're far brighter than UV lighting.
You're moaning about 50 dollars? 50 dollars is low-end to me. 100 dollars is typical for a high-end case, 150 for a top-end.
Sam,
Very true on the fans, however as you slow the fans down via resistance you increase the load on the MB headers, and they weren't designed for that kind of load. A dedicated fan controller is considerably more powerful and designed with that in mind. It also depends on what the fan controller method and mode are set to, and how a particular MB decides how many of the fan headers are controlled by the MB's fan controls. As you well know from your own experience with them, the Silverstones with their own speed controls can make some strange noises when trying to control them minus the speed control plugged in because of the electronics built into the fan itself. I personally usually only use the CPU fan header, and run my two Stones direct from the PSU Molex plug, and set the fan speed to a fixed rpm via their own controllers. I think that's the reason that some fans come with a three wire plug with only one wire attached, so the speed can be measured and set, while being powered by a Molex plug. I know my rear 120 is that way. It doesn't help that the MB manufacturers are usually very vague about which headers are controlled by the MB at all. Just imagine how nice it would be if they actually supply all the information you needed, instead of trial and error! LOL!! Language translations are another problem in trying to understand what's what!
Russ
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4. January 2009 @ 12:39 |
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The resistance of a fan is natural, a lower speed fan of the same size will draw less current using the same voltage, so therefore it has a higher resistance. Slowing a fan down with a resistor is much the same as plugging in a slower fan. The only thing I know will damage a motherboard fan header bar shorting it out trying to hot-plug a fan is too much current. The only fans I know that cause this are Deltas, and who uses those these days?
The reason for the noise from the silverstones is conflicting PWM controllers, and doesn't relate to analogue voltage fan control, which most fans will accept, and most people use. As I previously stated, personal experience tells me the Tricools are quite happy with a fan controller and the switch being turned down. Personal experience also told me that Silverstones attached to a fan controller will eventually catch fire. Don't do it folks! :P
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4. January 2009 @ 12:54 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The resistance of a fan is natural, a lower speed fan of the same size will draw less current using the same voltage, so therefore it has a higher resistance. Slowing a fan down with a resistor is much the same as plugging in a slower fan. The only thing I know will damage a motherboard fan header bar shorting it out trying to hot-plug a fan is too much current. The only fans I know that cause this are Deltas, and who uses those these days?
The reason for the noise from the silverstones is conflicting PWM controllers, and doesn't relate to analogue voltage fan control, which most fans will accept, and most people use. As I previously stated, personal experience tells me the Tricools are quite happy with a fan controller and the switch being turned down. Personal experience also told me that Silverstones attached to a fan controller will eventually catch fire. Don't do it folks! :P
I don't know about the catching fire part, but I personally prefer not to run my fans through the MB except the CPU fan, as when doing repairs I often come across burned out fan headers, particularly with Dell computers! My thinking is the less load put on the MB power these days, the better! I know I can see the difference between the load of a D-940 (130w) vs the E6750 (65w), especially when overclocking.
Russ
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4. January 2009 @ 13:02 |
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30w per channel, 6 channel fan controller FTW, esp wheny ou can hook up a pump to it :)
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4. January 2009 @ 13:12 |
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GM, Once again you are the man. And Sam, Thanks for the recommendation (NZXT Alpha)! Looking into now. :D I might even try out ebay. I really dont wanna bless an OLD board with a new case. Like souping up a VW bug! lol Its my luck that, Thats when the board will go out!
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4. January 2009 @ 13:29 |
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Bear in mind this was through the said 30W per channel controller Shaffaaf is talking about. The smoke was pouring out of the fan circuitry, not the PC (the fan was running externally at the time)
It's funny you should mention Dell PCs as they do use Delta fans. One wonders if perhaps dust causes the fan to speed up too much and overload the socket!
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4. January 2009 @ 13:33 |
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GM, I am sooo sorry. I swear that burner was in stock when I linky'd it. That is unreal. They do still however have the 7200A. Wow, I guess everyone wants the sata model. Couldnt have anything to do with EVERYONE praising their abilities, LOL :D
Ok... This certainly falls under building so... Im reading reviews that the new optiarc 7220 is lite-on, but this link im looking at says its sony/nec nec chipset. Any thoughts as to the validity of this site? Is there a more trustworthy site?
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4. January 2009 @ 15:07 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
GM, I am sooo sorry. I swear that burner was in stock when I linky'd it. That is unreal. They do still however have the 7200A. Wow, I guess everyone wants the sata model. Couldnt have anything to do with EVERYONE praising their abilities, LOL :D
Ok... This certainly falls under building so... Im reading reviews that the new optiarc 7220 is lite-on, but this link im looking at says its sony/nec nec chipset. Any thoughts as to the validity of this site? Is there a more trustworthy site?
O-man7,
When that drive first came out they had it "ear-marked" as a Lite-on but within a couple of weeks or so they had changed the designation to a NEC chipset. I've had my doubts about Videohelp.com for a while now but they seem to get it right in the end. ;)
...gm
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4. January 2009 @ 15:10 |
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Gm, THANKS FRIEND!!! :D :D You just made my day! I was fearing that the TRUE optiarcs were no more. Might just get one before too long. Replace my bros DRU830.
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4. January 2009 @ 15:29 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Bear in mind this was through the said 30W per channel controller Shaffaaf is talking about. The smoke was pouring out of the fan circuitry, not the PC (the fan was running externally at the time)
It's funny you should mention Dell PCs as they do use Delta fans. One wonders if perhaps dust causes the fan to speed up too much and overload the socket!
Sam,
Most of them use a thermal diode or a Thermistor to control them, so I doubt that dust is the problem. I do know they are quite loud when doing anything like encoding. They literally roar! AMD's Cool and Quiet seems to work the best, although they do roar when you first start the computer for a second and then get very quiet. The fan controls in all the AMD MBs I've come across seem to react far quicker to temperature changes than they do on the Intel's! The Intel's are much slower in building speed, where the AMD's will occasionally give a short blast of air and then slow right down again and are more closely matched to the CPU and case temperature changes. The Intel's seem to build up the fan speeds in stages. BTW, I do see that the AF7-Pro does get quite loud at anything above about 1600 rpm. You start looking for the source of the noise! LOL!! I'm also not going to change the fan layout because of the D-940 as I'm just waiting to get the new E6750 from Intel.
BTW, has anyone here ever come across a "Phantom" icon on the desktop before? About a week ago I went to start DVDRB and it looked for all the world like it was trying to install Office XP! That's very odd because my Office XP installs from a CD, and it wasn't in the drive. It did it 3 consecutive times, and I haven't seen it since. I know the copy of the free DVDRB was corrupt, but I only keep that for customers. I use the Pro myself. I know I found a few corrupted files caused by the bad E6750, so that may have had something to do with it. I just never saw that one before! :-)
Russ
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4. January 2009 @ 15:38 |
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I meant indirectly, i.e. dust in the system causing it to overheat.
As for the fan speed control on the AMDs, it's got nothing to do with the CPU, it's motherboard specific. The majority of Asus boards have QFan, which is all but useless, as it has 6V and 12V, nothing in between. The auto speed control on the CPU fan for gigabytes seems pretty gradual but I can't tell as the stock cooler isn't especially loud above five HDDs, certainly nowhere near as obtrusive as the Freezer 7 Pro. The case fan control is dire though, for the sae reason as Qfan.
What exactly do you mean by phantom icon?
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4. January 2009 @ 16:17 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I meant indirectly, i.e. dust in the system causing it to overheat.
As for the fan speed control on the AMDs, it's got nothing to do with the CPU, it's motherboard specific. The majority of Asus boards have QFan, which is all but useless, as it has 6V and 12V, nothing in between. The auto speed control on the CPU fan for gigabytes seems pretty gradual but I can't tell as the stock cooler isn't especially loud above five HDDs, certainly nowhere near as obtrusive as the Freezer 7 Pro. The case fan control is dire though, for the sae reason as Qfan.
What exactly do you mean by phantom icon?
Sam,
I was referring to how fast they seem to react to temperature changes in the CPU The fan speeds seem to go up and down quicker. I agree, QFan is all but useless! The freezer 7 Pro on mine only starts to get obtrusive above 1600 rpm, which with the E6700 rarely ever gets that high. normal operating range on mine is usually between 1000 and 1400, so I never noticed it before, but then I never used a 130w chip in this MB! I don't know about the case fan as I never ran it through the MB!
Russ
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4. January 2009 @ 16:26 |
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Q fan FTL lol, either the fan is too slow that the system over heats, OR its to loud running full out.
fanless CPU cooler FTW :D
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4. January 2009 @ 16:38 |
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Originally posted by spamual:
Q fan FTL lol, either the fan is too slow that the system over heats, OR its to loud running full out.
fanless CPU cooler FTW :D
Isn't that the same as a Fanless heater? ROFLMAO!! Little Smokies anyone? :-)
Russ
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4. January 2009 @ 17:53 |
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I ran my Q6600 fanless for a short period, it sort of worked. The E4300 ran fine fanless, but did get a bit hotter than I perhaps would have liked.
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4. January 2009 @ 18:04 |
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Normally i'd have all the fans in my Antec 900 on lowest to remove virtually all noise from the PC, but since one of my RAM sticks died i've cranked all fans up to highest (noticed the memory sticks run very hot, it's most likely irrelevant but the RAM failure purely gave me an incentive to improve the cooling), and have ordered a Corsair RAM cooler (it may or may not be a good buy, time will tell, but 'twas only £15). The PC is much louder now, which is fine as most of the time this PC is only used for video encoding. The rest of the time the PC is used for watching/listening to media thru the xboxes and the noise is far too loud, so what i'll do in future is hookup that PC's USB2.0 backup drives to one of my (silent) Dell Dual Core machines and access the media that way.
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4. January 2009 @ 21:23 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
NZXT Alpha? That's only 70 dollars and is overall a pretty decent case.
When I said HTPC/desktop, I meant more of a laying down kinda case :)
Must admit, that does look like a VERY good case though. Here is an example of the cases im looking at. (Linky)
And only 50$ Not a bad lookin case. Plain but works, CROWDED, cooling could be a thing!
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4. January 2009 @ 21:29 |
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Remarkably like my previous £5 HTPC machine(s), most of mine were/are P3 866MHz.
:)
Not too shabby considering old type xboxes (ie my current HTPC's) are only P3 733MHz :)
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