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21. November 2007 @ 02:20 |
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21. November 2007 @ 02:30 |
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sammorris,
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Why would they run out of 6600s? Have they stopped being produced?
It's older tech, so I can't see them building them for too long. The new 45nm chips cost less to manufacture. I'm sure Intel would rather make more 45nm CPUs, as there's more profit in them! I'm pretty sure that Intel will switch over as fast as possible! If they do stop production, that would leave a large gap that only AMD will have covered without overclocking! AMD's prices will force the price down on the 45nm CPU's from Intel, or people will buy the 9700 for less money and still be ahead of everything but the Intel Quads by a fair margin!
Tom's didn't give any meaningful figures on the overclocks so we'll have to wait for those results an see what Phenom can do! I'm rooting for AMD on this one. We'll all benefit from their success!
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Update: My daily 4GHz on aire is timing in little by little in the past few days. Recent BIOS for the MAXIMUS FORMULA SE are helping in the area of getting my 5:6 ratio for DDR1200 but now I got to fine tune the RAM again. Vcore is now stabling at 1.54v idle and a 1.56v under Prime95 load. No vdroop anymore, I actually get a boost instead so I can keep idle a notch lower now.
Renduring Xvid to VOB right now as we type, and temps are as follows; CPU:48~49, cores 1+2:60/59c (93~95% in high priorty NeroVision 5), MB:27, NB:44c, SB:40c inclosed in SilverStone TJ-06 on it's back cause of heatpipes and inverted BTX mounting.
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21. November 2007 @ 05:27 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
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Note how the Phenom scores lower in Sandra than any of the Core 2 Quads, and by quite a big margin. Not really the most promising of starts...
Notice also that it does a pretty good job compared to the top C2Ds! I look at it this way. At least AMD has something that can compete with some of the better C2Ds even up! Even if it takes 4 cores to do it! At the prices indicated, who cares?? Remember, no one wants to hear about the labor pains, they just want to see the baby! LOL!! AMD will also improve on them as time goes by and the prices will come down. How many people are going to shuck out $1300 or so for the baddest Intel Quad? I just don't see everyone running out and buying one! What AMD has done is give people something in between the Quads and the C2D, that's very affordable! A big plus is that it's backward compatible with older AM-2 motherboards and chipsets!
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Russ,I was going to post something along those lines but you saved me the trouble!!!
Let's remember, no one knows the overclockability of the phenoms atm!!
Also keep in mind that newer steppings will evolve,as will higher frequencies.It's still early days yet!!
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21. November 2007 @ 17:32 |
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Crowy,
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Let's remember, no one knows the overclockability of the phenoms atm!!
Also keep in mind that newer steppings will evolve,as will higher frequencies.It's still early days yet!!
I would find it hard to believe that AMD rigged the tests with limiting the voltage to 1.225, and it would be even harder to believe that AMD had it maxed out at that voltage and couldn't go higher. The 9700 hit 3.0 on air at that setting and during the tests, not one of them had any problems or exhibited any glitches. Given the number of computers that were provided by AMD for testing, that's pretty remarkable considering that all the overclocking was done with a utility called "AMD OverDrive", not in the setup!!
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The utility is called "AMD OverDrive" and accesses the CPU directly, letting the user select the multiplier, bus frequency, memory timings and all voltages on-the-fly from within Windows. The tool can also read out the current frequencies, voltages and temperatures. Another specialty of the OverDrive utility is that the multipliers can be set individually for each of the four cores.
Unlike the Athlon 64, the multiplier on the Phenom is unlocked in both directions - at least on our engineering sample. With its overclocking utility, AMD is setting a new standard. This tool should work with every motherboard, regardless of the manufacturer, since it communicates directly with the processor. Finally, the days of dodgy tools downloaded from the Internet that only work on certain boards are coming to a close. In many cases, the use of such tools ended with a system crash. Thus, AMD's OverDrive utility is great news for overclockers.
It's not a software utility, it's a direct connection to the CPU! All this means is that you can set it and when the computer is booted again, the settings are what you set through AMD OverDrive to begin with. no software that has to run to bring up a profile! I can't wait to see what one of these "Mother-Froggers" can do! LOL!!
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21. November 2007 @ 18:19 |
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Whats also going to be interesting is how each of the four cores overclock individually??
Are they all going to max out @ the same frequency or is one core going to be better than the rest??Cant wait to see some independent testing!!
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21. November 2007 @ 18:46 |
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Whats also going to be interesting is how each of the four cores overclock individually??
Are they all going to max out @ the same frequency or is one core going to be better than the rest??
I'd have to believe it will very just like Intel quads. without "cherry picking" each individual, stress testing each, it'd be a long shot to have them match beyond rated specs. Look @ OC'd E6x00's. Overclocks would be great if we can tweak the individual PLL & GTL Ref per core. But very few mobos barely allow for tweaking 4 seperate GTL Ref voltages.
I don't run enough AMD/nVidai systems to know, but none of mine ever offered this. However, w/ nV770/790 right around the corner on DDR3, maybe we will get some better voltage tweaks.
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21. November 2007 @ 19:07 |
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Nucknfuts,
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without "cherry picking" each individual, stress testing each,
Now there's food for thought!
How about four cherry picked individual cores on one die with unlocked multipliers??
AMD Phenom Extreme Black edition anyone??!!
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21. November 2007 @ 19:40 |
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K, guys, I'mopen to some X2 on nV-590 tweak options and opinions if any. As I said before, I've never been heavy in the nVidia for AMD as I'd hoped to. So getting back into the swing of things and need to better understand the nVidia chipset and platform as a whole so I can get more out of my AMD overclocks and better stablize them.
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21. November 2007 @ 19:54 |
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I didn't know you could clock cores at different frequencies.
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21. November 2007 @ 19:59 |
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I think it's an ability unique (or so far unique) to the Phenoms.
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21. November 2007 @ 21:26 |
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I didn't know you could clock cores at different frequencies.
If reffering to my post, no, we don't get to dajust core frequencies individually. I was speaking of tweaking individual PLL GTL Ref voltages wich can help for quad core OC'n when any one single core needs to be upped to equal the stronger one in set so to keep overall vcore average and thus heat produced down and now allowing higher FSB sinve overall core set is cooler.
GTL Ref is directly tied into VTT or PLL, so when we fine tune these individually, we can tweak to add a pinch more PLL but lower vcore (less heat) or same vcore but more FSB/OC.
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21. November 2007 @ 21:27 |
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No, I was actually talking to crowy.
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21. November 2007 @ 21:42 |
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Sounds like somehing Nehalem mobile on is going. Thermal Monitoring TM2 + C2E. Not only can it reduce the FSB instead of multy, but on Nehalem desktop quads on 32nm, it can shut down 2 or 3 cores to conserve power if they are not called for after a such time of idle, and allow full use of single core to woak @ 100% wich will again have multi-tread per core (like old Hyper-Threading).
I can't wait.
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22. November 2007 @ 19:12 |
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Wow, the new Phenom X4 9700 is available here in our area and cheap too, at 1/4 the price of Penrin 1st releases for January. I can get one here in CA, USA for $330.00.
Don't see any officail support for the CROSSHAIR yet. But the Opteron 2350's work now on this mobo. Are these known to hit 3GHz since it runs so cool as is at 2GHz at 45W?
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22. November 2007 @ 20:20 |
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Abuzar1,
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I didn't know you could clock cores at different frequencies.
Not only different frequencies, but voltages and multipliers as well. I imagine it's so you can tweak the individual cores for overall performance. If 3 cores make it to say 3.2GHz and the 4th won't, you should be able to raise the core voltage of that core only, for a little more stability to get that core to 3.2! Not a bad idea!
I don't look at it as a Quad-Core, I look at it as a CPU capable of 35,000+ MIPS right out of the box. Who cares how many cores it has? That makes it AMD's fastest chip ever! It also makes it the 5th or 6th fastest CPU in the world, and only the Q6600 is cheaper and it doesn't overclock particularly well! The 9700 may well be faster overclocked than the Q6600! That would shake up Intel a bit! LOL!!
Frankly, I wasn't expecting much from AMD at this time but I have to say, I think AMD has something and at the perfect speed to sell. The Q6600 isn't going to be around that long as Intel wants to convert to 45nm as soon as possible and it will probably be the first to go, being the least profitable. If an overclocked 9700 winds up being faster than an overclocked Q6600, the Q6600 might be gone in very short order! Especially if AMD brings the price down a little bit, as you know they will. I'm especially impressed that none of the 40 some-odd computers AMD provided had any problems and remained stable throughout the entire overclocking and testing session! That to me, bodes very well for the future. The Phenom is also cheaper to manufacture since it's a true Quad! Far less human intervention, so if it sells in any kind of numbers the prices will drop. I personally think that it's nice to see AMD doing something more than expected, so "Go AMD"!!
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22. November 2007 @ 21:44 |
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the Q6600 is cheaper and it doesn't overclock particularly well!
Both versions of the Q6600 can OC well I found. It looks liek from all the forums I read, people are focusing on unlinked and out of sink deviders to get RAM score in benchmarks, and usually requiring a sloppy timing, and high mobo volts, yet not so excitinglu high mobo FSB.
I ended up getting my GO Q6600 to 4GHz on air w/ same ThermalRight and it can do 500x on the X38 chipset and some P35'x with the right PLL & GTL Ref tweaks.
So it's not that they don't OC that well, it's more of, they tend not to OC as high FSB or clock MHz as a dual of equal stock rating.
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Not only different frequencies, but voltages and multipliers as well. I imagine it's so you can tweak the individual cores for overall performance. If 3 cores make it to say 3.2GHz and the 4th won't, you should be able to raise the core voltage of that core only, for a little more stability to get that core to 3.2! Not a bad idea!
Where did you find this? I'd like to know a little more, as I may be getting one for my 2nd AMD rig. The X4 9700!
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22. November 2007 @ 23:16 |
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NuckNFuts,
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Where did you find this? I'd like to know a little more, as I may be getting one for my 2nd AMD rig. The X4 9700!
It was in the Tom's article. Here's the page! on this page they only mention the multiplier but elsewhere in the article, the mention the voltage!
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/t...web/page19.html
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ck5134,
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that shows the phenom being clocked using amd overdrive
I guess that answers the question as to whether the 2.2GHz 9500 Phenom can hit 3.0GHz as there will be no 9700 until some time next year. I can't wait to see some real benchmarks, but I'm already impressed! If AMD can get the pricing a little better, it's got a market!
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23. November 2007 @ 03:47 |
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It's going to be an interesting one. Despite my scepticisms I'd like AMD to have a competitive product at last...
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sammorris,
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It's going to be an interesting one. Despite my scepticisms I'd like AMD to have a competitive product at last...
I think it's fairly safe to say that AMD is delivering a good bit more than was expected of them. Their response to Intel's performance lead is far better than Intel's was in their early attempts of battling the 64x2s. There all we heard was rhetoric and talk about clock speeds, but all we got was dogs form Intel for a few years. Once the enthusiasts get there hands on the new AMD Phenoms, we'll see what they can really do in the hands of experienced overclockers! This could really heat up the competition quite a bit. If it does, guess who wins! LOL!!
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ok someone please correct me if i'm wrong...
about OCing...if over clocking the cpu by 100 - 200mhz - don't need to increase the volt, but clocking by 300 - 400 - need to increase the volt. am i correct so far? but when OC do you also need to increase the volt for the ram?...
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26. November 2007 @ 12:29 |
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GTR35You only need to increase the voltage if you reach a wall in the overclock, ie if it wont run prime without errors/ orthos crashes the system / wont boot into windows or post.
if your o/cing your 3500, you should find that it wont need any extra voltage until its reaching its maximum clock, i could boot my 3800 x2 up to 2750 at stock voltage 1.3-1.35v, and it took 1.48v to get it upto 300 fsb and 3ghz on air which was my best clock on it. didnt bother going over 300fsb and dropping the multiplier but it would have gone further im sure, but as I gave the system to my daughter its back running stock :)
tried a x2 4200 before but it was no where near as good for clocking on my msi k8n neo4 ultra plat.
youll probably find after 275 you might need to increase the vcore slightly, but not by too much as the heat goes up pretty quickly too, overvolting the memory is dependant on if your running it 1:1 with the fsb and to how tight your timings are. my geil 2 gig value pc3200's never took more than 2.6volts to be stable, but memory varies alot and combinations of mem / motherboard effects this too.
when you do hit a wall just increase the voltage until it runs stable again each time, dont make massive jumps as youll just create heat and limit your clock.
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@ck5134 yes i know that but my cpu temp is about 40c idle, it reaches 60c when gaming...thats why i post in the cooling thread asking for help...
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