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17. May 2009 @ 01:24 |
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My brothers AAKS is a little more audible than mine. But the Velociraptor is definitely more audible than ALL the drives. Don't get me wrong though. The veloci is VERY bearable! Certainly worth enduring for that extra latency/MB per sec! I think my brothers MIGHT be defective. I was considering buying an AALS drive and turning his into a storage drive for myself. To be absolutely certain, that its defective, I have to run some more tests :)
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17. May 2009 @ 02:31 |
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Can't afford a veloci right now, quit teasing lol.
Thinking about getting one of these as a new OS drive, hesitant about them being so cheap though. By the way what's the difference between the Blue and SE models?
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17. May 2009 @ 04:10 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
Can't afford a veloci right now, quit teasing lol.
Thinking about getting one of these as a new OS drive, hesitant about them being so cheap though. By the way what's the difference between the Blue and SE models?
Red_Maw,
Apparently, a warranty! LOL!! I thought it might be one of those energy saving ones, but that's usually associated with green. I won't use them! Electric motors do not like to have their speed changed! They will usually last longer at a constant speed! It has to do with frequencies, vibration and harmonics, and what that all means to bearing life, than anything! I don't like the change in pitch either! To me, it's annoying! Nothing really bad about them, but I prefer the constant speed ones!
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17. May 2009 @ 13:52 |
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LOL one dollar difference just because it doesn't have a warranty. Doesn't seem right to me that would be the only difference but I certainly am not going to try and save a dollar.
Green power doesn't matter to me, I only shut the computer down when I'll be gone for an extended period of time and never use hibernate or sleep. Supposedly hdd's last longer if they are left on and so far I only have one hdd that's lasted longer then 2 years so they need all the help they can get lol.
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17. May 2009 @ 14:57 |
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Hard drives don't like being left up and running for years at a time though. I know that's probably not going to happen to most people using PC's but over the years at work i've seen what happens to drives left up and spinning for a few years (normal PC drives and Enterprise-level drives alike). When they finally get a powerup they have a tendency to go bye-byes, something to do with the bearings giving up the ghost.
As to drives used by most of us in our PC's, i don't think there's any difference between shutting/restarting down once or more a day, compared to leaving PC on for days/weeks at a time. My torrent machine stays up and running for weeks at a time, i just restart it every few weeks to give the hard drive a bit of variety.
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17. May 2009 @ 15:17 |
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I have a few drives nearing their 3 year mark now and SMART still checks them at 97 and 98 for performance and fitness. As long as you're careful with your drives and don't let your PC go idle 24/7 it's not really an issue. My PCs are usually torrenting or folding or both when I'm not on them so they always have some drive activity. A lot of it is luck of the draw though. But if you get a good one to begin with, they usually last 5+ years. In my own experience of course.
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17. May 2009 @ 15:37 |
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My desktop gets turned off when ever I won't be using it for more then a day and it never idles thanks to folding. This would be the second AAKS to not make it past the two year mark for me, maybe I should get seagates lol.
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17. May 2009 @ 15:42 |
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Seagate has always been good to me. Some of the older large capacity drives are a bit noisy but they're mostly dependable.
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17. May 2009 @ 16:17 |
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WD is usually a quieter drive from my experience so I'll give them one more chance before getting another seagate, or until something else changes my mind. As long as there isn't data loss having a hdd go bad while it's under warranty doesn't bother me too much anymore.
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17. May 2009 @ 16:20 |
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15 WD drives going great guns here, silent 
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17. May 2009 @ 18:25 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Seagate has always been good to me. Some of the older large capacity drives are a bit noisy but they're mostly dependable.
Estuansis,
I couldn't agree more! I've never had a problem with any Seagate other than the one FedEx threw about 40 feet into the middle of my front yard! I don't buy anything over 250GB anyway, as I don't have the need, or want to put up with the additional noise larger drives make, not to mention what I would lose if one of them big suckers went down! LOL!! I have a couple of 10,000 RPM SCSI drives. Both are about 8 years old. The Iomega was in a server running 24/7 for 7-8 years and gives a new definition to the word LOUD, as it screams like a banshee! The 37GB Hitachi in the Dell 420 Workstation is going on 9 years old and it's still whisper quiet. You only hear it when it spins up on startup, and even then you have to listen very closely to hear it at all.
BTW! the 1.4GHz P-III, 1400S I had, won't work in the Intel server MB I have. The board was mislabeled. The label says D815EEA2, but it's a D815EEA, so no Server only chips, only Coppermines. It takes the regular socket 370 CPUs! I sold the SL657 1400S 1.4GHz Server chip to a Doctor friend of mine for his office server. It had an 1100S 1.1GHz in it before. The CPU works perfectly in it. He says it's much faster! I found a 1GHz chip for mine for $25, including shipping, and Rob is checking on one for me on Monday at his job.
The 700MHz one I just put together will replace the old Dell as a backup computer, as it's almost as fast with a 700MHz chip than the Dell is with a single Slot 1 1GHz chip. The Intel should work even better with a 1GHz in it! I had originally upgraded the Dell to two 1GHz slot 1's, but I couldn't turn down the offer I got for one of them, so it's just a single now! LOL!! I don't think it has a lot of life left in it, and if something goes, it's just too expensive to fix, as nothing is standard!
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17. May 2009 @ 19:57 |
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Russ: The 5400 and 7200 is a marketing scam, the drives are actually fixed 5400rpm.
I've only had one out of over a dozen WD drives fail due to its own fault, and even then it didn't lose any data.
Russ: The quietest HDDs you can buy only come in 500GB-2TB size (WD Green).
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17. May 2009 @ 21:20 |
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Electric motors do not like to have their speed changed!
Then how do you explain ceiling fans, air conditioner fans, hair dryer speeds,electric cars and trains, and CD and DVD ROMS? You mean that Hard drive electric motors run at a constant velocity?
In regards to hard drive quality. The only hard drive that has failed me in some time is sadly my 150 gig Raptor, but then look at what it was asked to do and that was after a few years. I have both Seagate and WD drives and what determines my choice is often a mater of price and performance, but they both make excellent drives. Now at work I'm swapping out drives from HP and compaq (before they got married) work stations all the time, and wouldn't you know it, everyone of them is a Maxtor. A product I have never thought of purchasing.
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17. May 2009 @ 21:27 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
wouldn't you know it, everyone of them is a Maxtor. A product I have never thought of purchasing.
Couldnt agree with you more. I replaced my moms recently!
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17. May 2009 @ 22:58 |
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all maxotr drives since 08 IICR are seagate, as seagate bought them out. they are just rebadged. even on the stickers, their 500GB ones said 7200.10
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17. May 2009 @ 23:01 |
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As far as I'm aware:
Maxtor Drives
Diamondmax up to 11 inclusive: Maxtor
Diamondmax 20 onwards: Seagate
Of course this changes yields no benefit in terms of noise or power consumption as Seagate and Maxtor share the bottom end of that table. However, reliability should be significantly improved.
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Then how do you explain ceiling fans, air conditioner fans, hair dryer speeds,electric cars and trains, and CD and DVD ROMS? You mean that Hard drive electric motors run at a constant velocity?
Sophocles,
A number of the things you mentioned above, will not last as long as a HDD will! People don't get very fussed if their hair dryer or Ceiling fan quits after 3 or 4 years. What I'm talking about with ball, roller or needle bearing motors is they develop a mechanical set to the rotating parts. All I'm saying is that a motor run at, let's say medium speed, will bed in it's bearings based on it's environment of heat, vibration and balance. Once that set is developed, any change to that set, such as speed changes, load or balance, change the wear points of the bearing surfaces of any motor. It goes against the set, the bearing surfaces have developed.
I don't know if you remember the Quantum Fireball LCT series of IDE ATA/66 drives, but about 9-10 years ago, Quantum came out with the LCT, which was quieter and more vibration free than anything that had come before it. 3 platter, 5400 RPM, and quiet. That particular drive was designed from the ground up with that very intention! I still have one and use it often. I have all my diagnostic software on it. It makes working on computers a lot easier on me! LOL!! I just add the drive, and I have everything I might need to do the job!
The reason I mention this particular drive is because one of the things Quantum discovered in testing it, was that it's MTBF when run 24/7, was better than when it was turned on and off, a couple of times a day. That's the biggest reason I never turn off my hard drives! It doesn't save any power, as parking and un-parking the heads, and the spinning up of the drive, negate any savings. I have several drives that have 8 years or more of use on them.
The same principles apply to any motor. At a constant speed, any motor develops a wear pattern in it's bearing surfaces. Change it's speed and you change the points of those wear patterns, which accelerates wear!
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Russ
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18. May 2009 @ 01:57 |
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I put a Maxtor in as a scrap drive a couple weeks ago and although it's probably the loudest drive, reliability doesn't seem all that bad. It's at least 6 years old and was most likely run 24/7 for most of it's life. Mind you I would never buy one, but for free it works alright.
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18. May 2009 @ 03:35 |
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I couldn't agree more! I've never had a problem with any Seagate other than the one FedEx threw about 40 feet into the middle of my front yard! I don't buy anything over 250GB anyway, as I don't have the need, or want to put up with the additional noise larger drives make, not to mention what I would lose if one of them big suckers went down! LOL!!
Well I've reformatted and filled both of my new 500GB drives several times and they keep on going no problem. In my experience, high capacity drives are just as reliable as lower capacity ones. It's all in getting a good one to begin with!
Noise is also becoming a thing of the past. A lot of the older Seagate drives were really noisy, notably my retired 250GB. But the newer ones are whisper quiet. Both of my 320s and both of my 500s are absolutely silent in cases with moderate noise levels. The 500s right on my desk like 2 feet from me. The 320s on the floor like 3-4 feet away. I actually have to put my ear to the front of the case and turn down the fans to hear them working. They are definitely quiet!
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18. May 2009 @ 03:50 |
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Long live HDD's LOL!
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18. May 2009 @ 06:27 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
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Estuansis,
I couldn't agree more! I've never had a problem with any Seagate other than the one FedEx threw about 40 feet into the middle of my front yard! I don't buy anything over 250GB anyway, as I don't have the need, or want to put up with the additional noise larger drives make, not to mention what I would lose if one of them big suckers went down! LOL!!
Well I've reformatted and filled both of my new 500GB drives several times and they keep on going no problem. In my experience, high capacity drives are just as reliable as lower capacity ones. It's all in getting a good one to begin with!
Noise is also becoming a thing of the past. A lot of the older Seagate drives were really noisy, notably my retired 250GB. But the newer ones are whisper quiet. Both of my 320s and both of my 500s are absolutely silent in cases with moderate noise levels. The 500s right on my desk like 2 feet from me. The 320s on the floor like 3-4 feet away. I actually have to put my ear to the front of the case and turn down the fans to hear them working. They are definitely quiet!
Oman7,
I agree totally on the quietness of the Seagates. That's why the 250 DeathStar isn't my boot drive! No noise or vibration idling, but reads and writes are moderately noisy! You can't hear the Seagate at all unless you take the side cover off and stick your ear right in there! The DeathStar would be annoying as the boot drive, but it works well as storage and it doesn't take very long to transfer things, so the noise is usually minimal! I just don't need the drive space, so a 250 is my limit for now. My next one will be one of these! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148309
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Russ
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18. May 2009 @ 07:07 |
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A number of the things you mentioned above, will not last as long as a HDD will!
My 3 speed Ceiling exhaust fan is 42 years old. It came with the house when we purchased it, and the house was built in 1967. Most electric motors do just fine with speed adjustments and many will last longer if they're ran at a lower speed because it just means less heat and wear and tear.
A hard drive uses a constant speed because of how the information is written and read to and from the disk. It's function not longevity that determines the type of motor. CD ROMs however have to adjust speed to compensate for the difference in read speed from the inner and outer parts of the disc because the outer edge of the disc at a fixed speed would run at a higher velocity. Anyone who's ripped a movie will note that transfer begins slowly and then increases almost throughout the rip until near the end before it winds down. Graphics card fan motors usually run at 25% of its potential velocity and then speeds up depending on how much stress the GPU is experiencing. Then there's CPU and chipset heat sink fans......
The two most common failures in a computer are hard drives and power supplies.
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Sorry, what? I had a Toshiba DVD-ROM still working after 6 years, electric cars aren't really common enough to judge reliability, but electric trains last decades, and very seldom need motors changed. Again, my mum's last hairdryer lasted her about 10 years.
To be honest, I think the whole spin up and spin down is likely to wear HDDs down more than running them 24/7, but it depends how long you use them for in one sitting. If drives run for maybe 6 or 7 months without ever spinning down, I've hard a fair few storiesa that loads of them all fail at once when they're spun back up. RAID's not so good if 3/4 of the drives die at once!
The only Maxtor I've ever owned was a 40GB DM+8 I bought for £39 at a local PC shop back in 2005. It was noisy but it didn't fail, though I only used it for 18 months before acquiring a 37GB Raptor instead. I did, however use it again about 6 months ago and it was still working. However, of the number of failed HDD stories I know, I would still place Maxtor at the top, along with Hitachi/IBM.
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No noise or vibration idling, but reads and writes are moderately noisy!
That was my experience with my 250GB as well. No noise until I was actually using it. To be fair, it still works just fine though in my external enclosure and it's at least 4 years old now!
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Lol agreed. But in my own experience it's: PSU -> Motherboard -> HDD -> RAM. In order from most often to least. But again, It's all in picking good brands to begin with. Cheap components fail. period. The worst offending motherboard are almost always Foxconn, TUL, ECS, ASRock. I dunno why. They're just not made of the same stuff as a Gigabyte or an ASUS.
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Number of failed components I've had
CPUs: 0
RAM: 1 stick fail, 1 stick destroyed (Elixir PC3200 DDR1, Samsung PC2700 DDR1 respectively)
HDD: 1 drive faulty, 3 drives destroyed (WD5000AAKS, WD5000AAKS (Same drive), SP2504C, WD2000JB)
PSU: 2 failures (Qtec 450W, Magna Value 600W)
GPU: 1 card fail, 1 card destroyed (Sapphire HD3870 Single Slot, Powercolor HD3870)
ODD: 3 drives fail (Acer 40x20x10, BenQ 40x20x10, NEC ND-4570, suspected starforce for latter)
M/B: 4 boards fail (Asus A8N-SLI SE, P5N-E SLI, A8R-MVP, Gigabyte X48-DS5)
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