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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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21. May 2009 @ 13:59 |
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I dont call it a $ony drive, I call it an optiarc. In my opinion, $ony bought rights. Nothing more. I rarely refer to it as a $ony. Its Nec's chipset, Period. :P (well, unless your talking about the 7220 LOL)
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Red_Maw
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21. May 2009 @ 17:12 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Potentially, but if you don't buy bad drives there's no problem eh? :P
True lol.
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21. May 2009 @ 19:54 |
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LOL @ all this talk about drives. I burn like 1 disk a month tops XD
As far as I'm concerned, you buy a DVD-RW drive, tt reads your disks. If it has problems with certain disks just replace it with a better one. I didn't know there were so many models and variations XD
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21. May 2009 @ 20:45 |
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Done out of Here!
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21. May 2009 @ 20:47 |
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Not really, I don't think Russ wants an AM3 CPU or DDR3. He didn't originally want a board without OBG but that has since changed.
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21. May 2009 @ 21:49 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Not really, I don't think Russ wants an AM3 CPU or DDR3. He didn't originally want a board without OBG but that has since changed.
sammorris and Bigwill,
Actually, I'm waiting for the AM2/AM3 Phenom II due shortly. I bought the 9500GT out of frustration! LOL!! I've been playing more games since I got it, and the 9500GT is better than the HD3300 graphics of the OBG at playing games, so..... I got spoiled! Actually, the AM2/AM3 Phenom II will be the first upgrade, and then eventually something like the board Will linked me, will be the next one! Right now I have to check on unlocking the other two cores of my 7750BE, since they show in the ACC controls in the setup. Don't know if it can be done, but I'm gonna try!
Russ
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21. May 2009 @ 22:15 |
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Russ, AFAIK the 7750 can only be unlocked on certain Biostar and ASRock boards. Gigabyte boards don't do it I think. I've looked into it but my 780G board is an SB700 so it doesn't even have ACC as an option. I'd try with my 790FX board but what's the point? Already have a Phenom II.
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22. May 2009 @ 08:36 |
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Right now I have to check on unlocking the other two cores of my 7750BE, since they show in the ACC controls in the setup. Don't know if it can be done, but I'm gonna try!
Hey Russ if you don't mind stepping over to dark side of the web here's a link to get intouch with a few fellows on help with that...(Luke I am your Father) vander said just alittle humor from the darkside...I found it can be done but I hav'en read which board they are using but...I have read the AMD Athlon 64-X2 7750 BE can be Unlocked to Quad-Core by Advanced Clock Calibration (ACC) feature In the bios, to changed only the acc to(Auto).
And, the 4 cores was displayed in CPU-Z, Everest and TaskManager...
XtremeBoyz
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Phenom II X3-720BE List Capable to running 4 cores or not
Phenom II X3 list of batch
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22. May 2009 @ 10:58 |
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Does the 7750 unlock to an original Phenom, Phenom II or neither? I heard it was Phenom 1 technology, but of course the clock speed is higher than any original Phenom. Perhaps that's why, only the dual cores on that architecture could run at such speeds?
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22. May 2009 @ 11:57 |
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It's a B3 stepping Phenom I. 2 x 512K L2, 2MB L3. When unlocking, you unlock more L3 cache as well IIRC. And I think the core code-name switches to Agena but I'm not sure.
Sweet if you can unlock it Russ. But so far from what I've heard about Gigabyte boards, they can't do it. I have a friend on another forum who unlocked it with a Biostar 790GX board and he was able to keep it OC'd to 3.2GHz vs his previous 3.4. It actually performed pretty well too.
Sweet chip though for the price. Very happy with it even in dual core. Was cheaper than an E5200 and overclocks OK. Though I hear you can get it to 3.5GHz or so with ACC on. Zippy in just about everything and a budget sleeper in games. It surprised me :)
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22. May 2009 @ 12:28 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Does the 7750 unlock to an original Phenom, Phenom II or neither? I heard it was Phenom 1 technology, but of course the clock speed is higher than any original Phenom. Perhaps that's why, only the dual cores on that architecture could run at such speeds?
Sam,
It's a B3 stepping Phenom I. It has the same exact transistor count, and shows 4 cores in the setup. I tried enabling ACC, but it won't boot and you have to clear the bios to the default settings. I found out afterwards, that it won't work on the GigaByte 790GX chipsets. It only seems to work on Asrock and Biostar 790GX motherboards.
Russ
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22. May 2009 @ 12:55 |
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That's a shame really as I would like to have seen how effective it is. Ah well. Is it any different re: manufacturers for 790FX users?
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22. May 2009 @ 14:22 |
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I'd like to see it done but I'm not sure if I want to do it with my own. I'd rather keep the systems together as they are.
LOL Running a 1080p movie and two 720p movies on my X2 7750BE! It's at 100% load but not a hitch! LMFAO
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22. May 2009 @ 15:39 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
That's a shame really as I would like to have seen how effective it is. Ah well. Is it any different re: manufacturers for 790FX users?
Sam,
The FX is really a misnomer! With the OBG, the FX ran a faster clock for the video, 800MHz vs 700MHz. What the difference is without OBG, I'm not really sure, but it may be a higher memory performing NB Chip when you overclock! The FX is capable to DDR3 1666 (O.C.), while the GX with DDR2 is only capable of DDR2 1200. The FX also supports full 16x Crossfire! That's about the only differences I can see!
Russ
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22. May 2009 @ 16:08 |
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It sounds to me like the FX is less held back because it doesn't have OBG to get in the way, in much the same way as any board in the past with OBG.
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22. May 2009 @ 16:56 |
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My FX board used DDR2 and supports up to 1200 I think. Full 16x Crossfire and it's working quite well too. Plus DDR2 800 is still the magic stuff for me :)
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22. May 2009 @ 22:19 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
It sounds to me like the FX is less held back because it doesn't have OBG to get in the way, in much the same way as any board in the past with OBG.
Sam,
Not really, it's a totally independent system that can be turned off completely with no ill effects on the memory or it's performance! Also, it's not a hindrance to overclocking like other OB Graphics are. Turning it off is akin to changing a video card!
Russ
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22. May 2009 @ 22:30 |
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Well, not disagreeing architecturally, but it still seems to have the same effect, albeit to a lesser extent. Is the underneath of the 790GX weaker than the 790FX?
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22. May 2009 @ 23:12 |
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di still say itd take up heat, room in the NB etc etc, therefore the mobo has to use tracks, layers for the OBG, where as for one without, it can focus on only the OC performance.
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22. May 2009 @ 23:19 |
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Agreed, I also see no evidence that every part of the OBG section is fully disabled when it is not used. Even if unused, power still runs to it, I'm willing to bet it acts like a second graphics card when disabled by the PCI express bus. Completely dormant, uses a lot less power than when normally idling in 2D, but still uses a substantial amount of power and produces heat, and still essentially powered up.
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22. May 2009 @ 23:38 |
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not forgetting mobo manus have to take time to incorprate it into the baord, where as that time in normal mobos coudl be put to refining the board/bios
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23. May 2009 @ 01:19 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Well, not disagreeing architecturally, but it still seems to have the same effect, albeit to a lesser extent. Is the underneath of the 790GX weaker than the 790FX?
Sam,
That's a good question! The 790FX is 65nm while the 790GX is 55nm. The FX suports x16 crossfire and Quad x8 crossfire, but probably runs a bit hotter. I've found the best setup for mine is 16x on the multiplier and let EPP manage the memory. It gives the best results in benchmarks, and while it will run at 3.5gHz and pass Linpack and Orthos, but it randomly crashes while doing other seemingly mundane stuff. I still have a lot to learn about AMD! LOL!! For now I'm just going to leave it alone and wait on the AM2/AM3 Phenom II. To me, it makes no sense to buy the AM2+ version right now, because I would loose an upgrade path by not being able to go to an AM3 motherboard!
Russ
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23. May 2009 @ 01:41 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Agreed, I also see no evidence that every part of the OBG section is fully disabled when it is not used. Even if unused, power still runs to it, I'm willing to bet it acts like a second graphics card when disabled by the PCI express bus. Completely dormant, uses a lot less power than when normally idling in 2D, but still uses a substantial amount of power and produces heat, and still essentially powered up.
Sam,
Well, the graphics part of it is completely turned off via the setup, as well as turning off the link to the main memory and the Sideport memory. I can tell you this, the D-Sub and DVI ports are electrically dead when both are shut down!
Shaff,
Normally I would agree on the bios development, but in this instance there have been very minimal changes in either bios so far. That means they hit the ground running, with minimal fuss. All the bios upgrades addressed CPU recognition of some of the newer chips, and minimal other problems. Very little was needed to improve performance. This was a case where the chipset was ready before the CPUs were! Neither the 780 or 790 chipsets were very green! LOL!!
Russ
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23. May 2009 @ 02:05 |
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haha :)
fair enough :)
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23. May 2009 @ 02:31 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
haha :)
fair enough :)
Shaff,
In all fairness it's probably because the CPUs were so late coming out! LOL!! Just about everything was late until the Phenom II came along! Since then they have been early with everything that followed the Phenom II. That's why I asked a while back, "Who are these people and what have they done with the real AMD"? I think the term vaporWare was coined in reference to AMD! LOL!!
Russ
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