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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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Any Flaming Results in a Temp Ban or Worse. Your Choice!!!
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23. May 2009 @ 08:06 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
i have heard wonderfull things about the MSI 790FX-GD70.
lol some of those reviewers are so stupid!
i mean normally if your going to buy such a good board youll have a decently sized GPU and that would kill a good few ports, thats why they face adjacent with the board, its been a standard since P35 for GB in their upper sereis and most others in their mid to upper series. lol
though some people say updating their boards didnt help, remember most people that post are going to post IF something goes wrong and not if something goes right.
Shaff,
I looked at it, but right now the GB gives me everything I need, to do things the way I want to do them! I'll take a hard look at what's out there when I'm ready. So far it's my only solution for my needs, as a second sound card will be a problem if I have to put one in, I loose that channel from the F/O SPDIF out.
Russ
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23. May 2009 @ 08:19 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
Yup I hear Ya Russ, I would have leaned on the $139 myself, I side with the GB boards for many reasons, but I sure did not like the comments on the board you just posted, one or two bad comments it's called s#*t happens, but there were a flood of bad comments, kinda scary.
Fred,
It's too new, at the moment. It's not the same as when the 780GX and 790GX came out. Those chips were very refined because of the delays with the CPUs. That pretty much goes for most good brands. Most problematic motherboards are just a bios Flash away from being very good!
Russ
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23. May 2009 @ 11:46 |
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Electrically dead? If they truly are, you would get 'check signal cable' when you plugged a cable in, not 'no signal' or 'entering powersave'. Also, just because the DVI port is turned off doesn't mean the OBG is turned off. I think if it were that easy to completely shut down a GPU, it would have been implemented for Crossfire systems when the second card was disabled.
Is it only me that spotted that the initials for Duke Nukem Forever also stand for Did Not Finish?
Omega: This is something that many people comment on, Intels being more expensive. Per performance they are, but it's such a small difference it's usually barely worthy of discussion. When you think of all the benefits you get with an Intel, I'd say they're pretty well matched, and what little extra cost there is, is justified. Hehe, you think 3.5 Phenom II Ghz is good, wait until you see 3.5 Yorkfield or Bloomfield Ghz, or higher (since they'll both go higher :P)
On the PSU front, I bought several units to play around with when I had issues with Quad crossfire. I had one bad PSU I wasn't expecting of the bunch, but unsurprisingly, the unit I expected to fare the best still did the job fine. (but with 10x more noise).
Russ: Side-on S-ATA cables make sense for cable management but NOTHING else. Even in the giant HAF932, they are an absolute pain to work with. Standard S-ATA port positioning with big GPUs wasn't fun, but I preferred it (That said, a lot of boards lose several S-ATA ports when you use big graphics cards, I expect this move is foremost to resolve THAT problem)
Fred, Omega: FOr AM3, I would probably take the 790XT for standard builds, 790FXT for Crossfire systems. I wouldn't really ever go for the 770T, because it's a low end board with low end hardware. This is what Gigabyte do best, but I still wouldn't be happy putting a Quad core, especially an AMD in a board that cheap, even if the AM3 ones are significantly better than the AM2+ chips. If you wanted a Dual core, why would you be using AM3?
Having read the criticisms though, I do have my doubts. The 790FXT-UD5P does seem like yet another example of where Gigabyte's high end product has been the inverse of its lower end counterparts for reliability. I also refuse to accept a board needs a BIOS update for a chip it is designed from the outset to use. You should NEVER be forced into a BIOS update to use a board, since Gigabytes will revert BIOSes if they crash (which means anyone who uses one needs to be familiar with the BIOS flash process, tech-literate or not) and Gigabyte, not unlike other board manufacturers, have put out lethal BIOSes in the past.
Omega: Re: the 1TB drive, what has it achieved that the Velociraptor hasn't? Surely the only thing I can think of is 1TB storage, or lower noise. The drive has a high throughput but not as high as a VR, nowhere near it.
MSI and Biostar are all the more tempting these days. I'd suggest DFI too, but their intolerance for hardware is still as bizarre as it ever was.
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23. May 2009 @ 13:14 |
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Well, for one, the FALS has a larger cache. Im unsure how this would effect their performance. Ive been under the impression for a few years, that larger cache is always better.
MOST noticeably, is when I run a windows search, the FALS is EXTREMELY fast about its searches. Indexed or not! For searches, its the quickest drive Ive ever seen. Although a SSD, would probably annihilate! There however is no doubt, for basic tasks, programs, and boot up, that the Velociraptor owns!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcom...N82E16822136296
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23. May 2009 @ 13:53 |
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23. May 2009 @ 14:24 |
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WD ran some extensive tests on cache, and discovered that while the difference between 8MB and 16MB Cache is significant, the gap between 16 and 32MB was negigible. I have a feeling they gave the Black drives 32MB cache for the sake of marketing above anything else. The Velociraptor is WD's flagship drive, if they saw the need for them all to have 32MB cache, they'd do so.
Running searches, would I be right in thinking your FALS mainly has large files on it, and the Velociraptor lots of little ones? When searching through indexes, file size is irrelevant, number of files is what's critical, I bet the velociraptor has a lot more files on it than the FALS.
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23. May 2009 @ 14:34 |
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30,000 files on the Fals, almost 90,000 on the Raptor. Funny...I would have thought it had more. The 1TB drive that is. I have a great deal of music, and what not on the drive. The drive seems to sift through it all pretty quick. It would be an interesting test, to put hundreds of thousands of pics, and mp3s on both drives, and see how they match up.
While the Fals has a great deal of LARGE LARGE files on it(ISO's), it also has a great deal of incredibly small files(Jpeg's).
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23. May 2009 @ 14:51 |
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Great read and advise from all about the boards and the HD's, actually the reviews are intersting but I wouldn't sqeeze a fart without getting opinions from the boys on this thread before I ever decide to fix or build something, even if I was a techie I still would never proceed without talking to the gang here.
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23. May 2009 @ 15:07 |
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Right-click properties on C:\Windows and look at how many files there are in there... :P
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23. May 2009 @ 15:33 |
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Windows 7 Raptor drive shows almost 62,000 files.
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23. May 2009 @ 16:01 |
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Electrically dead? If they truly are, you would get 'check signal cable' when you plugged a cable in, not 'no signal' or 'entering powersave'. Also, just because the DVI port is turned off doesn't mean the OBG is turned off. I think if it were that easy to completely shut down a GPU, it would have been implemented for Crossfire systems when the second card was disabled.
Is it only me that spotted that the initials for Duke Nukem Forever also stand for Did Not Finish?
Shaff,
That's precisely what I get! It says "No signal" in a blue postcard sized window, with big red letters on the Viewsonic and "No Signal check cable" on the Dell! on the Sceptre it says "No Sync check video cable"! It is very easy to shut down this particular GPU, since it was designed for it in the first place. Remember the video chip is in the northbridge, so it would have to be disconnected in order to use a different video card. Video decoding is handled by the CPU through the NB, from the video card!
Russ
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23. May 2009 @ 16:29 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Remember the video chip is in the northbridge, so it would have to be disconnected in order to use a different video card.
Why, that's not the case for using two dedicated cards...
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23. May 2009 @ 16:50 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Remember the video chip is in the northbridge, so it would have to be disconnected in order to use a different video card.
Why, that's not the case for using two dedicated cards...
Sam,
Could you explain that a little better, please!
Russ
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23. May 2009 @ 18:50 |
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There's nothing wrong with using two completely different graphics cards at once, even ATI+nvidia. You can't chain them for performance, and driver support is a little patchy, but there's no reason the OBG in a board need be disabled for another card, that I can think of.
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23. May 2009 @ 19:39 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
There's nothing wrong with using two completely different graphics cards at once, even ATI+nvidia. You can't chain them for performance, and driver support is a little patchy, but there's no reason the OBG in a board need be disabled for another card, that I can think of.
Sam,
You can use it for hybrid crossfire, but the video is completely independent in both speed and memory configuration unless Hybrid Crossfire is enabled. You can even overclock it separately from the CPU. You can set GPU speed, Memory configurations and memory speed, all independent of the CPU! The memory speed is in another part of the setup, and is phantomed out unless the GPU is enabled. I'm going to call GigaByte on Tuesday and see what they say about it!
Russ
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23. May 2009 @ 20:28 |
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I don't really see how that changes anything. The OBG for the 790GX acts as a graphics card of its own within the chipset. However, for that reason, more than ever it should be subject to the same restrictions.
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24. May 2009 @ 17:31 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I don't really see how that changes anything. The OBG for the 790GX acts as a graphics card of its own within the chipset. However, for that reason, more than ever it should be subject to the same restrictions.
Sam,
As I said, I will be calling GigaByte on Tuesday and ask them about it!
On another note, My monitor came back early this morning, so my computer is finally finished, 100%! Everything runs just the way I expected it to. I'm going to keep the 9500GT, and forget about the OBG! I get a 3DMark 03 of 19504!
And a 3DMark 06 of 7660!
I have to say, I'm pleased by the way everything works, and it's perfect as a game machine for my purposes. Certainly not up to your gaming standards, but the 9500GT only cost $44, and the 3DMarks are a 100% improvement over the 7600GT I had in the E6750. I'm ready for a Phenom II in the not too distant future!
My monitor had a problem with the firmware, where it would loose the settings. They replaced the entire screen assembly again, and it works magnificently. No more stair-stepping with the video when it pans a scene. No dead or stuck pixels, and is, for all intents and purposes, a brand new monitor! It all took some time, but it's been well worth it. Why I have to have problems with my own personal builds, I'll never know. I built about 57 customer computers during 2008, and only had two RMA's, a BioStar 780GX motherboard, and a bad stick of A-Data memory! Still, in spite of having so many problems, I'm very happy with the result!
Best Regards and Happy computering,
Russ
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24. May 2009 @ 17:53 |
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3dmark03 means nothing to me. 3dmark06 is the only relevant test really. Scoring 7660 isn't bad, my file server with its X1900 scores 5000 ish with the CPU stock, and 6700 with it at 3.15.
Russ: Would people necessarily come back to you if something went wrong with your builds? Just a thought, people may want a second opinion or to have a go at the issue themselves.
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24. May 2009 @ 17:57 |
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Wish I knew enough to begin building on a more professional level. Currently, I will only do it for myself and family members. They think im ready, I do not.
On another note, im seeing a tiny imperfection on my monitor. Ive tried blowing it away, rubbing it away, and have come to the conclusion, that its QUITE stationary LOL, and must be a dead or stuck pixel. OK, it must be dead. Dead pixels present themselves black on white backgrounds. And I never see it on dark backgrounds. Its simply DEAD! But isnt this unusual? When I look at it with a magnifying glass, this is what it looks like. Yes...like a corner has been bitten off.
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24. May 2009 @ 18:01 |
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3dmark03 means nothing to me. 3dmark06 is the only relevant test really.
3dmark03 is an aging benchmark. Another point to consider is that it is also possible to obtain a higher score by lowering graphics resolution.
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24. May 2009 @ 18:02 |
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sam, they'll go to somebody else if he dosen't resolve the matter to their satisfication as i do the same as russ does somewhat.
omega, lcd screen?
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24. May 2009 @ 18:04 |
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Sounds reasonable.
Omega: So the whole pixel is black bar a corner? Potentially could be a dead pixel caused by minor impact damage, for instance, accidentally poking the screen.
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24. May 2009 @ 18:23 |
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Yes, its an LCD screen.
Impact damage eh. I suppose its possible that blowing it off one day, the tube on the air can could have caused it. Its so minor though. In fact, I darn near have to try to look for it. I generally have a more Gothic approach to my wallpapers(Usually Dark). Text documents(white screens) comprise a small portion of my day anyway. No biggie. :)
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24. May 2009 @ 18:31 |
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omega, look for a dead pixel installer program, latest version i have is 2.2. is used to unstick a stuck pixel which you might have or it could be a dead pixel.
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24. May 2009 @ 19:09 |
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My favorite solution is to put a napkin or something over the screen, line a pencil tip up with the pixel, and flick the butt-end of the pencil so it jabs the dead pixel through the napkin. Try it a few times and see what happens. The dead pixel should flicker back to life. A lot of the time this will fix a dead pixel permanently. It worked great when I got my Dell 24". I never had to RMA it :)
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