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24. May 2009 @ 19:11 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
UndeadPixel 2.2, Just tried it. Looking pretty dead. I only tried it for a couple minutes. But everything seems to be pointing toward DEAD, so...I'll just live with it. Besides....one dead pixel out of 2,304,000 isn't bad at all :D

Thanks by the way for the new utility :D



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Originally posted by Estuansis:
My favorite solution is to put a napkin or something over the screen, line a pencil tip up with the pixel, and flick the butt-end of the pencil so it jabs the dead pixel through the napkin. Try it a few times and see what happens. The dead pixel should flicker back to life. A lot of the time this will fix a dead pixel permanently. It worked great when I got my Dell 24". I never had to RMA it :)

I NEVER would have dreamed up something like that unless I had A LOT of money LOL! Im about as cheap as they come. Stabbing my monitor doesnt seem like a good idea LOL LOL! I might just have to consider that though.

EDIT - I suppose when all else fails...hit it with a hammer LOL. Err...pencil

A genuine thanks

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Well if you use the napkin that should prevent you from scratching the screen or damaging it. I have done this with several monitors now and the success rate is maybe 50/50. Go on, give it a try. It can't hurt :)



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Estuansis: That technique did not work for any of the six dead pixels on my 3007. Neither did any of the other methods. Not saying they never work, but success is far from guaranteed with ANY method.




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Originally posted by sammorris:
3dmark03 means nothing to me. 3dmark06 is the only relevant test really. Scoring 7660 isn't bad, my file server with its X1900 scores 5000 ish with the CPU stock, and 6700 with it at 3.15.
Russ: Would people necessarily come back to you if something went wrong with your builds? Just a thought, people may want a second opinion or to have a go at the issue themselves.

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I don't see why not! Why would they take what should be a warranty issue, and pay someone else to fix it? Almost all my customers call me if they need anything or have a problem. Many have bought more then one computer from me anyway. I register all the components in my name, to resolve any question of warranty issues. That way I can honor the warranty and don't have to depend on them to register anything. All my advertising is strictly "Word of Mouth", and I have a good following. Most of them won't buy any component for their computer, without consulting me first! The majority of my customers are Professional people. Doctors, Lawyers, Accountants and such, and the word gets around those communities! As the money tightens, my business goes up! LOL!!

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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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3dmark03 means nothing to me. 3dmark06 is the only relevant test really.
3dmark03 is an aging benchmark. Another point to consider is that it is also possible to obtain a higher score by lowering graphics resolution.

Sophocles,
I use the defaults as a tool, when I am overclocking a video card. I just use it to check my progress without having to remember settings. I note that the "Point of Diminishing Returns" seems to come sooner with a graphics card than it does with a CPU! My 9500GT has a Core clock of 550, a Shader clock of 1400 and a memory clock of 1600. I have mine OC'd to 594 CC, 1512 SC and 1728 MC, respectively! I went as high as 605, 1540 and 1760, but the difference was only 243 3DMarks. Not worth the additional stress on the components! From stock, to my settings shows a very good and useful improvement!

You are right though, as 03 is a bit long in the tooth, but it also better suit's the games I actually play. I also included the results of 06, which for a 7750BE @3.2GHz, are quite good! I'll post some 3DMarks again after I set the resolution to 1680x1050.

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As 3dmarks age, 06 included, they become excessively CPU-reliant, and ultimately become a benchmark of CPU performance, not games performance. Whether you play top end titles or not is irrelevant, all the games you use have to be as old as 3dmark03 for it to be a valid test. With your current CPU, your maximum limit in 3dmark06 standard for the CPU would probably be about 13,000, so you shouldn't be hitting the CPU bottleneck yet. The reason your overclock didn't net you much performance was that while you upped the core speed by 10% or so, memory and shader clocks only got 3-4%, which is why you only got 4-5% extra performance.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
As 3dmarks age, 06 included, they become excessively CPU-reliant, and ultimately become a benchmark of CPU performance, not games performance. Whether you play top end titles or not is irrelevant, all the games you use have to be as old as 3dmark03 for it to be a valid test. With your current CPU, your maximum limit in 3dmark06 standard for the CPU would probably be about 13,000, so you shouldn't be hitting the CPU bottleneck yet. The reason your overclock didn't net you much performance was that while you upped the core speed by 10% or so, memory and shader clocks only got 3-4%, which is why you only got 4-5% extra performance.

Sam,
It's just easier to see the changes you make with 03! Stock the card ran at 13749 3DMarks, now it runs the same test at 19504! Regardless of either 03 or 06, it's about twice as fast as the 7600GT I had in the E6750, and it makes all the games I play look and feel much better! Pretty much the same as Sandra 2005 vs Sandra 2007 did!

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Then it's also completely wrong. The 9500GT is a giant leap from the 7600GT and an admirable card for a casual gamer like yourself, but a 5% increase in clock speeds will never result in a 20% performance gain.



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Yeah a new video card once in a while definitely can't hurt. The 9500GT isn't exactly my first choice but it's definitely a solid card for someone like you Russ. The 7600GT was solid for a really long time too and I even had games like Oblivion and FEAR running quite decently on it. The 9500GT should be a relative powerhouse in comparison :)

EDIT: Sam is right though. I know 3DMark 03 has always had badly skewed results(13,000 Pts on my X850XT) but I can't see such a large increase from OCing.

I now no longer trust Guru3D. They showed a 9600GT getting a 9700 3DMark 06 with an E8400. LOL Mine got over 10,000 with my 7750BE.



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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Yeah a new video card once in a while definitely can't hurt. The 9500GT isn't exactly my first choice but it's definitely a solid card for someone like you Russ. The 7600GT was solid for a really long time too and I even had games like Oblivion and FEAR running quite decently on it. The 9500GT should be a relative powerhouse in comparison :)

EDIT: Sam is right though. I know 3DMark 03 has always had badly skewed results(13,000 Pts on my X850XT) but I can't see such a large increase from OCing.

I now no longer trust Guru3D. They showed a 9600GT getting a 9700 3DMark 06 with an E8400. LOL Mine got over 10,000 with my 7750BE.

Estuansis,
I can't explain it either, but I ran the tests bone stock and then compared the results to my overclock. I'm going to run some tests with all the goodies turned on and at my Monitor's 1680x1050 and see what I get then!

Russ


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I've seen weirder from 03 so it's not entirely impossible for it to happen. I had an X850XT that outscored my X1800XT on nearly the same hardware.

3DMark 06 will give you more accurate results.



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I stopped trusting Guru3D a long time ago, for bias.




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there's not much talk about 3.5 Enclosure's but I picked this bad boy up today at my local micro center for $30 bucks


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along with a WD2500aajs 250gb 8MB Cache sata 3.0Gb for $30 bucks also (Oem)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136113
could have got the 500gb $15 more but it was'nt a green power any way like how it's working out got it hooked up to my system now with a torrent seeding back can't really tell any speed different bein outside of pc case bein hooked up to 1 of my esata port...my reason of buying it is for my dvr box to record to a external drive not the drive inside the case itself

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Hehe, I had a WD2500AAJS, Still do. Reasonably good drive, very quiet, average performance, but solidly reliable.



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Originally posted by Estuansis:
I've seen weirder from 03 so it's not entirely impossible for it to happen. I had an X850XT that outscored my X1800XT on nearly the same hardware.

3DMark 06 will give you more accurate results.

Estuansis,
That's the whole point of using 03 when you OC a video card. It's much easier to see small improvements as well as large! You aren't looking for accuracy, you are looking for tangible results that aren't the doing of the CPU! Put a 940 Phenom II in it and the results will be quite different, as Sam pointed out! I've run the tests, and I'll post them later!

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I think you're missing the point. 3dmark03 was not at all adapted for modern hardware, so its results are completely arbitrary and unreliable. The reason the variance in 3dmark06 is small is because that's the ACTUAL performance difference you get.
3dmark03's result is so much higher because it's completely wrong.
If I swapped out a CPU for one 10% more powerful and got double the performance figures (which is in essence, what you've got) there's so little accuracy, what's the point of a tangible result? Surely you can see a measure of performance has to be accurate to at least some degree.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
I think you're missing the point. 3dmark03 was not at all adapted for modern hardware, so its results are completely arbitrary and unreliable. The reason the variance in 3dmark06 is small is because that's the ACTUAL performance difference you get.
3dmark03's result is so much higher because it's completely wrong.
If I swapped out a CPU for one 10% more powerful and got double the performance figures (which is in essence, what you've got) there's so little accuracy, what's the point of a tangible result? Surely you can see a measure of performance has to be accurate to at least some degree.

Sam,
Fair enough, so using 06 I get 5245 3DMarks with the screen set to 1680x1050, or about 2400 lower than at the default setting! Turning on Non maskable AA drops that to 4372 3DMarks, which for me is still about three times faster than the 7600GT was!

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take this with a pinch, but ouch! http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/13848/1/



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3DMark 03 is pretty unreliable if you ask me. Any small changes can skew its results drastically.

Your 06 scores look solid though. Good video OC.

EDIT: Core i5 huh? Ouch, AMD might be in trouble again... Let's see some Phenom IIIs :)



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I didn't think the first i5s would be quad cores, but seemingly my suspicions about that being false were justified. (I don't see how Quads can be overlooked at all these days, especially with cheap ones like the 9350 out there, even if they are pointless)
The Core i5 is quite an exciting development, especially seeing that data, though it isn't very specific. Let's see how cheap the boards are. If they can produce a £70 board, and the CPU is £160 ish, we've got a serious contender.



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I said I would post these, and I've improved them a little!
Here we go at 1680x1050 with the defaults.




Here we are with the Non maskable AA turned on




I upped the Core clock to 605MHz, the Shader clock to 1549MHz and the memory clock to 1760MHz. The GPU temp never exceeded 59C, and the CPU never hit 50C. Not too bad for a $44 Video Card!

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Originally posted by sammorris:
I didn't think the first i5s would be quad cores, but seemingly my suspicions about that being false were justified. (I don't see how Quads can be overlooked at all these days, especially with cheap ones like the 9350 out there, even if they are pointless)
The Core i5 is quite an exciting development, especially seeing that data, though it isn't very specific. Let's see how cheap the boards are. If they can produce a £70 board, and the CPU is £160 ish, we've got a serious contender.

I see we get yet another socket from Intel! Socket LGA 1166. I also noticed the OBG! No DVI on the test MB, either!

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Yup, and this one's affordable, and better yet, the boards for it won't need a BIOS flash to run the CPUs it's designed to work with...



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Yup, and this one's affordable, and better yet, the boards for it won't need a BIOS flash to run the CPUs it's designed to work with...

You make it sound like needing a bios flash to work, is a bad thing! LOL!! It's more a need to identify newer CPUs and their features that a lot of bios flashes are needed to begin with, than anything else! LOL!! I personally never had to flash the bios to make any CPU work!

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