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xbox 360 has substandard graphics
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couimet1
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25. November 2005 @ 08:25 |
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I just got my xbox and frankly i just wanted to say that i am so dissapointed with the graphics.
xbox 360 graphics is equivalent to a mediocre computers graphics.
i have a pretty good computer, and i've played games such as fear or doom 3, and those games look soo friggin good that i was amazed when i first played them.
when i played the xbox, its more or less like, what the hell is this crap. and WHY the hell does my xbox always crash. microsoft should drop out of the competition, because they can't beat sony.
a recent survey even showed that in japan only 2% of the market actually wants the xbox. that falls under the revolution which was 8%. the remaining percentage of course goes to sony. pretty pathetic if you ask me. honostly... i think microsoft made a huge mistake in rushing out this system, and i made a even bigger mistake for getting sucked into the hype and purchasing this garbage.
chris
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chedabob
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25. November 2005 @ 08:45 |
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firstly, are you using HDTV. cos if not, then you arent gonna get mint graphics. secondly, if you are using HDTV, are you using the correct cable, and thirdly, if u have done both of the other two things, do you have it set to run at the HDTV resolution.
as for japan, theyre a bunch of shitheads that just bone off nintendo and sony. nobody cares what they think. if they wanna go jack off over the nintendo remote, or the 7 usb ports on ps3, let them. they didnt support xbox 1 and it did fine.
Check out project dashboard 134 on 134.xbox100.com
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couimet1
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25. November 2005 @ 08:57 |
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Yes i have a 37 inch Sony Wega HDTV, and yes i am in fact using HDMI cables. believe me, my guess is that no platform could ever match a powerful computer.
i honostly i feel like microsoft robbed me of my 400.
dude, have you played call of duty ? worst graphics !!!!
im just hoping that being that the 360 is new hardware, that they still do not know how to utilize to it's maximum potential as with the other previous systems. but if this is all that the 360 is capable of, den i think the 360 will be short lived once the revolution or the ps3 murders it.
chris
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couimet1
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25. November 2005 @ 09:00 |
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oh and one more thing, the game is clear as hell. im just saying the polygons, the games are just not detailed like a pc game is.
who knows, maybe the games on it right just suck and they didn't spend alot of time on the character details.
chris
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jimmy42
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25. November 2005 @ 09:47 |
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You also must remember its hard to make a console that is for a TV produce graphics that computer like. #1 HDTV or not the resolution of your computer screen is much higher then an HDTV.
I suggest you try plugging your 360 into your computer via component cables and see how the graphics are then. I'd imagine they would be much better.
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imgr81337
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25. November 2005 @ 12:24 |
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Keep in mind that the launching titles aren't using the 3 cores. it is only using one core and that is like using a pc with a 3.2 ghz processor. also the games that came out with the console aren't putting the 360 to it's full potential and when the games come out that are using the 3 cores it will roxorz your soxorz.
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oofRome
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25. November 2005 @ 13:39 |
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couimet1, the problem isn't 360's lack of graphic capability. It's the games. They are brand new, and don't even come close to utilizing what the 360 can do.
It's an awesome maching. Give game developers a little more time, and you won't be dissappointed.
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jimmy42
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25. November 2005 @ 14:51 |
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just as imgr81337 said, the launch titles are not using nearly the full potential of the xbox's power. Hell 90% of the original XBOX Games even the very latest ones did not use 100% or even 80% of the machines power, it takes along time for game developers to get used to new consoles and produce games that fully take advantage of the consoles power.
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Bohefus
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25. November 2005 @ 14:58 |
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Yes i have a 37 inch Sony Wega HDTV, and yes i am in fact using HDMI cables.
That's gonna be hard to do considering the xbox360 doesn't have an HDMI cable for it. Component or VGA HD cables maybe. So your either lying or you don't know what your talking about.
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i honostly i feel like microsoft robbed me of my 400.
dude, have you played call of duty ? worst graphics !!!!
How can you feel robbed? If you don't like it, simply list it on Ebay and make at least a 100 dollar profit on it rgt now.
Yes I've played COD2 and IMO the graphics are Awsome!!!!
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im just hoping that being that the 360 is new hardware, that they still do not know how to utilize to it's maximum potential as with the other previous systems. but if this is all that the 360 is capable of, den i think the 360 will be short lived once the revolution or the ps3 murders it.
Don't hope! just get off your Sony fanboy arse and sell that fine console to someone who will appreciate it. Sony may still sell more PS3's but the Xbox360 will gain ground if not overtake Sony this time around.
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Lennme
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25. November 2005 @ 15:05 |
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My experience with the Xbox 360, so far, is that the appearance of the game is outstanding. I've played at both 720p and 1080i (scaled) on Kameo, Project Gotham and Perfect Dark. As a long time PC gamer I have seen how fabulous games such as DOOM 3 can look on a PC, but it becoming so expensive to continually upgrade video cards! With the power of the 360 so focused on the graphics, I hope I'll get at least a few years of visually stunning gaming in before having to upgrade!
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j0j081
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25. November 2005 @ 15:46 |
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kookoo76
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25. November 2005 @ 16:37 |
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Keep in mind that the launching titles aren't using the 3 cores. it is only using one core and that is like using a pc with a 3.2 ghz processor. also the games that came out with the console aren't putting the 360 to it's full potential and when the games come out that are using the 3 cores it will roxorz your soxorz.
Even if xbox 360 uses only one core, the graphihcs wil still be the same. The three cores are for processing speed, unless i am mistaken.prbably not because that what GPU is for graphichs, the cores are for speed. I thikn the game develepors prbably only uses the 30% of what the GPU is capable of. If the 3 cores are to be used, The games will run faster, not look better. But if the full potential of the GPU is used, the graphics will be better.
And whoever said mxbiox was a huge succes , what in the world are you thinking!? ASony ps2 sold 60million more than xbox sold. Xbox only sold 30million. They probably lost billions. xbox 360 wont be selling more systems than sony, because sony has all those asian contries. Japan China on its side. Not to note like half of all north america. Nintendo sold least. M$ 2n sony 1st.
j0j081..
not being against thexbox360, i love those website..
You all should think about buying a 360 before you actually do because what happenes if m$ dont sell anymore? What a waiste of money!?It is soo similar to the dreamacst its not even funny.
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as for japan, theyre a bunch of shitheads that just bone off nintendo and sony. nobody cares what they think. if they wanna go jack off over the nintendo remote, or the 7 usb ports on ps3, let them. they didnt support xbox 1 and it did fine.
NO,im sure lots of people care what they think,inculding me and a bunch, xbox did not do fine, they lost 4 billion dollars just because of xbox,. And xbox didnt help Sony or nintendo either, why should sony or nintendo help the like richest company in the world/?
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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couimet1
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25. November 2005 @ 18:55 |
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Exactly !! This is dreamcast all over again !!
Microsoft should have learned from Segas mistakes.
Shouldnt have rushed this out
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25. November 2005 @ 19:15 |
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@Lennme
I agree with your comments bout continually upgrading graphics cards,I bought a Video card 2 years ago and now it`s obsolete,it wont play any of the newer titles which require support for pixel shaders.So I either fork out another 250 bucks for a new card or put it towards a new console...If I buy the Xbox 360,I would be buying it for it`s many functions,not just gaming.Cheers.
As for the Japanese being shitheads,it`s not about these corporations misleading the public or the public being disinterested in the Xbox,it`s ingrained in Japanese culture to be very wary of foreign competition in any business sector,perhaps one of the reasons why Microsoft couldn`t get a foothold in the Japanese games market...
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Jkhmmr
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26. November 2005 @ 03:02 |
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I've seen this same mistake made in a lot of threads. The XBox did not do well. kookoo76 is right. Look online for financial reports of the XBox. Look at the results of each quarter. Look for a profit and guess what. There isn't any. MS has been making a loss on its XBox division since it first came out. It is the only current gen console with a loss. Even the PS2 which is sold at approixmately the same loss per console as the XBox managed to pull off a pretty good profit. So financially the XBox is not doing good. The only reason that Microsoft doesn't cut off the division is because they can afford the loss and they figure sooner or later they'll overtake Sony and kill the PS and make up all the losses. And you can't compare XBox 360's graphics to PC's ones. PC monitors aren't as high resolution as a HDTV so the XBox 360 PC ports on a HDTV will look better but since the PC can't do HDTV yet it's not a fair comparison. If in Vista using inferior parts compared to the XBox 360 and puts out better graphics than the XBox 360 then it means that the XBox 360 is weaker than that PC graphically. And PCs can already beat the XBox 360 and PS3 graphically with the 512MB X1800GT, 256MB 7800GTX and 512MB 7800GTX. And MS can't get a foot hold in Japan because they don't have all those weird Japanese games that Japanese people like. If you go there and see the types of games they like it's completely different from what MS has to offer in terms of games.
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26. November 2005 @ 03:20 |
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I hear the consoles are sold at a loss and the profits are all made on software titles,a reason Sony is strides ahead of MS because of the shear titles available for the PS2.Sure,Japanese games are somewhat abstract at times,Ive seen it down at my local game shop here in Fukuoka where the wall is plastered with used PS2 games and the Xbox titles are relegated to the bottom tier.I know it`s impractical to compare pc graphics to the Xbox 360`s,I`m just saying that with my present video card,the graphics are shite,so I would rather spend my coin on something that will outgun that card and provide other features also...
PS2 V.12 Japan NTSC
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lxhotboy
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26. November 2005 @ 03:50 |
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Another reason sony was able to make money was by making the system smaller and making it cost lest to make a system. Xbox still has that huge CPU tower. Cost too much so that hurts them too.
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JoshLogan
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26. November 2005 @ 12:54 |
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why are you guys hating on the japanaese? haha. not everybody enjoys or stays amused very long with halo and madden. there's a huge difference between cultures. trust me, there's plenty of americans that don't like first person shooter over and over and over and over (xbox). atleast, they are going to try and have more diverse games this time.
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halo4life
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26. November 2005 @ 14:19 |
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More or less MS does care about profit..I have been in marketing for the past 5 years and I can tell you this. Its not how you lose the money its where you make the money..You can design a $1000 dollar console sell it for $299.99 and YES still make PROFIT. The money on every console system ever made has been in Accessories,Games,Memory Cards,Magazine Subscription any and all related products,even 3rd party. All consoles take a nose dive on the manufacturing cost. What kills a console is the CONSUMER>SALES<.Just stop buying them>(Dreamcast,Sega Genesis)<That is what kills a system. So for all that love playing Halo1,2 and all that love Sony's GTA games..Keep buying them and the system will stay FOREVER.
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GriffinE
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26. November 2005 @ 16:11 |
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I would first like to start off by saying that the ps2 is ahead of xbox in sales not because it is better but because it came out first. No one wants to fork out more money right after they bought a new console. As for couimet1, video games are not all about graphics. Gameplay is alot more important. Many ps2 fanboys like you are finally starting to realize that playstation is not near what the xbox is and will be. Sony 's online gaming community is about that of the Gamecube. Console gaming will never be as detailed as computer games. I also hope you know that none of the major console developers have released their titles for the 360. The games that have been released are only using one thread of the processor out of the possible six. To finish I will give a link about threading. http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/221160.htm?prn=Y
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kookoo76
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26. November 2005 @ 16:18 |
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I would first like to start off by saying that the ps2 is ahead of xbox in sales not because it is better but because it came out first
O my, the ps2 did not come first!! How many people do i have to tell this to. THe SEGA DREAMCAST DID, and for which, it failed. Ps2 second and then the rest. And yes Dreamcast was part of the ps2 xbox generation of concols, but the dreamcast came in to early, and xbox360 is follwing in there footsteps.When ssega dreamcast left the gen, it all of a sudden because a ps2 vs xbox war.MAbey you should take time to read over the thread.Read http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154 as proof that the dreamcast came first. J0J0 dude posted the website
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Many ps2 fanboys like you are finally starting to realize that playstation is not near what the xbox is and will be.
noo, im a sony fanboy, and i alwasy new xbox is a better system, well duh because it came out a year after the ps2. And what i do notice, is that the lates ggames for ps2, look like xbox graphics. Take gt4 for example, i dont see many xbox games that good, even though xbox is a awy stronger system. Thats why people buought the ps2. Take n64 and ps1 for example, n64 was a far better system, but the graphics somewhat look identical to eachother.
And dude this is xbox360 graphic post, why would you include somthing about ps2 vs xbox? Thats so old.
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I also hope you know that none of the major console developers have released their titles for the 360. The games that have been released are only using one thread of the processor out of the possible six.
Mabey im misunderstanding you.. Tell me if I am, dont insult me.
What are you talking about!? , out of the possible six?@ there is only 3 cores?! and it doesnt matter how many cores they use, the more cores the faster the system, not the better the graphics i suppose that the game develeporst are only using 30% of the GPU.
As i posted aove, GPU is different that CpU. And please what do you meen by "major concole developers have realeased their titles for the 360..No sory, only nintendo like makes there own games, m$ didnt make there games, the engeniers of the 360 didnt make their games either. The games have nothing to do with this post either,.And "I hope you know" that even though this is off topic, ps3 has 170 games under development, sooo your statement meens nothing, arround 35 of those games wil be released when the ps3 comes out, and i anticipate that major game developers created those games.
Unless you are like taling about that site you posted? I dont want to talk about hta untill i have fully understand the website, i just skimmed it for lk 5 secs. what i read out of it is that threading or w.e will allow more in a less ammount of time, like be able to put alote of sprites in the game, on the same screen or w.e , and let them all be indipendent. Or whatever else, that still counts as CPU right, i dont think the threading thing will allow better graphics.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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oofRome
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26. November 2005 @ 18:43 |
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the Xbox 360 has three cores with two hardware threads per core. Thus, 6 threads. None of the games out right now are utilizing the xbox's CPU or GPU. Not even close.
The Xbox wasn't a success.
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More or less MS does care about profit..I have been in marketing for the past 5 years and I can tell you this. Its not how you lose the money its where you make the money..You can design a $1000 dollar console sell it for $299.99 and YES still make PROFIT.
You could, I suppose, but the Xbox did not. Microsoft has lost around 4 billion dollars on the Xbox investment. I doubt they will make a profit off of the 360, and if they do, it certainly won't be anything close to handsome.
And yes, cookieboy, the consoles are usually sold for less that what it costs to make.
I believe Nintendo lost the least amount of money per console. They might've even made a profit, (I don't remember... probably not, though)
The PS2's amazing success is due to a lot of factors, and their timing into the market was one of them. Sony hyped up their system enough to deter Dreamcast consumers, but was released early enough so that consumers wouldn't want to wait for the Xbox or GC. The system is the weakest, but obviously that doesn't matter. (Which is why I am usually annoyed when people try to criticize a system for graphics.) Sony is the Giant in the video game market.
Obviously, though, the large success of the PS2 is due to it's top-selling game titles.
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Jkhmmr
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26. November 2005 @ 23:41 |
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Nintendo made a profit on each Gamecube. They only lost money when they dropped the price a while back. It should have only been a one digit loss per console. And the XBox 360's CPU and GPU as well as the PS3's isn't that great. XBox 360's is basically the little brother of Ati's new card so it will only be able to do as well as that card except in HD. PS3's one is the little brother of the 7800GTX and will do slightly worse than that but better than the 7800GT in HD. So basically expect games that look like Doom 3 and Half Life 2 except in high resolution HDTV so it will look much better than the PC counterparts but technically not really be much better because of the difference in displays. And does no one here pay attention to the rest of us that keep saying MS made a loss on their whole XBox division every single quarter. And technically the PS2 is better than the XBox because the PS2 appeals to both Japanese and American gamers while the XBox is focused on American gamers.
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kookoo76
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27. November 2005 @ 07:35 |
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Isnt it bad that game developers fro xbox 360 arnt using the full capasasty of the system? Well like 33% of sxbox360 gpu is not good. People who dont know that xbox360 games only use 33% of the maximum capability are most likely to say that the graphics suck. So they might even return the system or just dislike it afterwards.
In my oppinion, arround 30% of 360 is equivelent to like 100% of xbox.
So People who have the two systems and compair them, they wouldnt see much difference in graphics correct?
IN my OpInIoN
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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27. November 2005 @ 09:06 |
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Its a mixed bag. The point of the first xbox was to get attention, and it did that. Its now the it console, far ahead of the weak ps2 - even though many more people have the ps2. Did you know that with the release of a major console there is a calculated major loss? The companies intentionaly price them too low to get a base. Xbox 1 is itself a calculated loss, so that they can pick up steam to take the market with 360. In addition to the first comparison to the dreamcast, check this out...
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=1&cId=3145154
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