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xbox 360 has substandard graphics
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barnardep
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1. December 2005 @ 21:56 |
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hello i am sik. in my country we say "who cares?" what tis all dis fuss about? if u no like u no play. if other peepoes no like they no play. tis simple yah? why wast dah time to show peepoes what is good and what is gooder? why care? for me i like play wid goat. i no like the sexy game. i like dah goat. all you need is dah goat. noting more noting more.
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kookoo76
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1. December 2005 @ 22:08 |
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cazer:
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ps2 came out what two, two and a half years before xbox?
sonys ship what 100 mil so ms should have what 50. no sorry try 22!
if being the first out of the gate DOES make a difference then why did dreamcast fail.
ps2 came outa year b4 xbox. not 2 and a half. Where did you get that from?
They didnt ship 100million concols. Not long ago, on sony's website did they say that they sold 100 million ps2's up to date.
being first makes some advantages and some disadvantages.
The difference between 360 and dreemcast is that.
1.Is m$, not sega. Sega had to work with only 100million dollars to creat their system.
2.There are greater games
Some disadvantages are:
1.360 kind of "rushed their system"just so they can come out first(which would explain why the graphics look "substanderd", and the 360 problems.)(note i meen that game developers had little time to create their games for the 360, making the graphics to almost a 1/3 of its capablities.)
2.They ahve the same marketing scheme. Infact the people who decided when to release the dreamcast are the same people doing the bisness witht he 360.
3.they both are launched before 2 major concols. (rev-ps3) And if yougoogle in sega new concol, you'll get many pages saying that sega **might** have a new concol in this gen wars. So if that is true it would be ..u know 1vs 3 in the view of buisness.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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cazer
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1. December 2005 @ 22:37 |
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i sad two to two and a half years. sorry i was wrong ps2 came out in march of 2000 and xbox came out november of 2001 thats what twenty months? ok maybe i shoul have said almost two years. that just makes my point better. if the xbox is the system to have why are they so far behind and why dont they have more games? to sony shipping is the same as selling. same with ms there 22 mill is shipped. and i not think sony has millions of ps2s stored somewhere just to say they have shipped more it just doesnt work that way.and as far as sega and a new system thats like atari coming out with one. they both make games for other people now because arcades are long gone and there concales almost killed they.
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biener
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2. December 2005 @ 01:10 |
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why are you sad for?
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d_bo_1
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2. December 2005 @ 02:14 |
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Just stopped by to say how much I'm enjoying my brand spankin shiny new 360 on my 30" Sony WEGA HD tube.
A lot.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA
Infinite or Definite? That is the question
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Jkhmmr
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2. December 2005 @ 06:21 |
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We're diverging from the topic again. I personally don't like getting banned. So let's put it up to a vote. Who here thinks that the XBox 360 has substandard graphics. No need for comments. We'll leave it for 2 days then see the overall opinion and comment. Does that sound reasonable?????
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SSamurai
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2. December 2005 @ 22:15 |
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You expect people to not leave comments? Are you insane?
Character models have STANDARD graphics. don't tell me that they are WORSE than the standard (which is playstation 2/Xbox/GC) graphics, cause you're full of poopoo.
Have you checked out the lighting effects? the particle effects?
Have you seen explosions in COD2? those are BADASS particle effects, much harder to create well on a system than Dude Armstrong the character with 50,000,000,000 polygons (ok, that is an exageration, but particle effects are HARD to get right)
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JoshLogan
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3. December 2005 @ 04:32 |
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well, obviously it is better than current generation systems, but I think what people were saying is they just didn't think it was big enough of a change. I agree, but later on I'm sure we will start seeing much more impressive games...
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ZpYkE
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3. December 2005 @ 06:05 |
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well, look at the screenshots from rumble roses XX those are gonna be the real graphics, next year is when the 360 shows its potential and the developers have all the time they wab nt on it, and now add that to all the live functionability, wich works, not like the dreamcast, and i say thats enough to beat a stupid blu-ray movie, i mean, the graphics could only get realer if they were real ppl...
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speccyfan
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3. December 2005 @ 06:48 |
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360 graphics are the best on any console ...yet,that's the bottom line,until we see the ps3 we'll never have any other console to compare it with,ok they've rushed it out and probably could've made it a little more powerful,but unless you own a very expensive pc then you'll not get the chance to play such smooth detailed games at home,as for the waiting for better games debate,they'll not get much better looking because there is only so much info you can fit on a DVD9 which i imagine will work in ps3's favour if they incorporate blu-ray and besides this there's the programming which all xbox fans have repeatedly said is soo much easier than the ps3 which is totally true but worrying for 360's users who aren't going to see too much improvement for future game releases,but then again i've seen some early ps3 graphics and they look very good but not much better than the real time games i've seen from the 360. Time will tell and whatever happens,let's not take it away from the people who make these consoles that are like us and love gaming,it's just the people that run their companies that screw everything up! :)
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kookoo76
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3. December 2005 @ 08:28 |
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OOO, time for me to stand up for sony
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360 graphics are the best on any console ...yet,that's the bottom line,until we see the ps3 we'll never have any other console to compare it with
The first sentece makes little sence. K first of all I'me sure you havnt done your reserch here, your just expecting the 360 to have better graphics. Look at the ps3 graphic thread, and look at my thread about the Gpu pipeline thing.
There both about the same thing. They just point out that ps3's Gpu will be a tad better than 360's. WHile the 360's CPU will be a tad better than ps3's.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429Quote:
ok they've rushed it out and probably could've made it a little more powerful,but unless you own a very expensive pc then you'll not get the chance to play such smooth detailed games at home
I seriosly dont know what you meen here. Are you trying to say that the 360 is rushed or the ps3 is? The next gen concols will currently beat the pc in graphics, untill the pc comes out with somthing new.
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,but then again i've seen some early ps3 graphics and they look very good but not much better than the real time games i've seen from the 360.
KK,lol, have you've seen e3 ps3 and mtv 360. The ps3 clearly looks better than the 360. But in turms of graphics, they look the same man. Go gamespot some images of games from both concols, and compair. They look the same man. You've seriosly got to do some more reserch before you post somthing like that again.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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cazer
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3. December 2005 @ 20:22 |
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you cant compare ps3 and the 360 to each other in any way tell the ps3 comes out. what i have heared from my local eb games store is that the ps3 is not even in the bate stage. and they just upgraded some of the chips.so that means things can get better or worse for the ps3. then again they could be wrong about the hole thing. just what to do a far comparison when you see both 360 and ps3 with your own eyes. seeing is believing.
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3. December 2005 @ 23:30 |
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As I have said before in many other threads it is extremely difficult to cpmpare the Xbox 360 and PS3 because the PS3 has not even been released and from what I have seen all the PS3 videos are pre-rendered and therefore makes it unable to compare with the Xbox 360.
It's Here!!!
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Jkhmmr
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4. December 2005 @ 00:03 |
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The standard for graphics will be PC games. And NEGLECT THE FACT THAT XBOX 360 GAMES ARE IN HDTV. Screenshots matter little. So how pretty it looks matters little. Lighting and particle effects are important. I haven't seen it. How good is it compared to F.E.A.R. in terms of graphics????
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speccyfan
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4. December 2005 @ 01:48 |
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did you read what i said?, i said the best YET, the ps3 is not out yet that is what i'm saying and there is no other console that is released that has better graphics than the 360, i totally think that the ps3 will blow it out of the water as a huge ps fan, but as i haven't actually seen one running a proper game in real time then i can't say that it will be the better console.I would imagine that the ps3's graphics will look more 'real' than the 360's because they use that reality chip or whatever it's called, but i also reckon that the extra speed will be needed to accomodate that extra chip as it's gonna take a lot of power to attain those kind of visuals,but again,this is just what i have read on various demo sites,but the bottom line is that you're right in the fact that we cannot compare the 360 and the ps3 as technically the ps3 is a non runner until it comes out and until then we can only speculate,but the 360 is out and it's the fastest,most detailed,feature pack console that money can buy and i'm saving for the version 2,then i'm gonna sell it when the version 2 ps3 comes out(early 2007 i would imagine),not because i hate the 360 etc, but because i don't play online,i don't need those extra features that i already have on my pc,and blu ray holds a shite load more data (bigger more detailed games).
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Jkhmmr
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4. December 2005 @ 04:42 |
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Oh I was refering to a comparison between COD 2 and FEAR adressed to SSamurai in the earlier post. Plus while I am a PS3 fan the GPU isn't very new technology. It's basically the 7800GT modded and uses no new technology just tried and true ways although the called it the Reality Synthesizer or RSX. I always felt they should put an Extreme at the back because of the X but that's it's name. If XBox 360's brand new GPU works perfectly then that will look more real.
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TruthMan
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6. December 2005 @ 07:56 |
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if 360 and the PC both had a game that ran on both of them and both were working at 100% of their power, and it was a multi-threaded game, (so the dual core PC's and all 3 of 360 cores worked at once on the same thing, therefore removing the bottleneck on the GPU also) then the 360 WOULD WIN EASY, even against a AMD X2 4800+ (for multi-threaded stuff) and 2x X1800XT PE's overclocked (when they come out, say we fastforwaded the time a little so they *are* out, get it), then the 360 would win still.
the xbox 360 GPU is more powerful than a soon to be X1800XT PE overclocked extreme hardcore style, (i mean using DRY ICE cooling and a PRO overclocker etc).
ps.
(for single threaded the fastest core for games on PC is AMD FX-57 hands down, and 90% of software at the min is singlethreaded)
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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7. December 2005 @ 05:29 |
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For $300 who can bitch? But yeah, CPU department, the XBox 360 is by far in the lead. The GPU is already outdated, but so will the PS3s it's just what you get for $300, a damn good deal.
And ocnsidering the devs are working fo rone GPU one purpose, all code is written and compiled SPECIFCALLY for each console and nothing else like the 100 different architectures PC devs have to write for. This will eban absolutely huge boost in performance over PC and the 360's true potential is slowly unlocked over time as devs get better and better at this specific hardware.
The 360 will keep up with PCs just fine. The PS3 too, but if you drop $5000 of course you can have better a better graphics card. But, also, with a CPU like the xenon and the cell, so much more can be offloaded to the CPU, leaving the GPU dedicated to it's sole purpose.
I think i had somehting else to but i forgot.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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kookoo76
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10. December 2005 @ 15:18 |
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For $300 who can bitch? But yeah, CPU department, the XBox 360 is by far in the lead. The GPU is already outdated, but so will the PS3s it's just what you get for $300, a damn good deal.
I agree with that 100%. You can buy the geforce 7800 graphix card from bestbuy canada for 745$!! And the graphic card is on par with the ps3's GPU. wow + the controller and the cell processor, bluerayreader, and features, its a bargan.
lol i sound like an advertisment.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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chimpanel
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10. December 2005 @ 20:09 |
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Guys go onto http://www.ps3today.com/
you will see what i expected to find out all along.
Ps3 beats 360 in some areas, 360 beats ps3 in some areas but 360 IS slightly more powerfull.
Not a major difference true but it will stop all this talk about the 360 being significantly less powerfull than the ps3. It is not, it is more powerfull overall.
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kookoo76
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10. December 2005 @ 20:14 |
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Ok, that website is biased? You know why, an engenier that worked on the 360 said some shit about the 360, and the people got all hyped up. Just visit my forums, on my signiture and discuse which is more powerfull. Dont believe every website you see. You have to understand the concol, then talk about it.
And yett, you have no facts, that link just said that some m$ idiot said the xbox360 is slightly more powerfull. he said nothing else.
So basically you just said... You read that some idiot from M$ said that the xbox360 is slightly more powerfull than the ps3. but he didnt back it up. So it makes him look like an idiot.
No facts no fact no facts. AHH, its like handing in an essay with no proof or resorces that it's right.
Visit my forum on my signiture, read it all if your intrested on which console is better, then post.
Dont believe everything you read or hear.
And for a little reminder, try using un biased websites such as anandtech
One more thing, when you look at the link, make sure you read who submitted it. Notice its not even a news reporter jernolist or Bill gates, its some dude witht he name ps3fanboy. So bassically, some idiot posted something on the internet.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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lxhotboy
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10. December 2005 @ 22:06 |
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I must admitt i got the same vibe from that site too. The guy works for Microsoft. What did you expect him to say??? I am not saying which is more powerful but if he came out saying that yeah the xbox 360 is not as powerful as the ps3 he would probably be looking for a new job when he went back to work. Well just have to wait and see till they are both out.
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kookoo76
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10. December 2005 @ 22:31 |
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Lol that is so true.
Can you imagine if like some sony dude at e3 was like the xbox360 is better than ps3. OOO i would hate to be him or her. He'd be fired on the spot. Same vise versa
LOL.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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11. December 2005 @ 10:36 |
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The site is definitly a PS3 site, obviously, but it's not like the site is wrong. I did a quick scan and it's all relevant. I did not however find a direct comarison of the consoles on the site, am I missing it?
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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biener
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15. December 2005 @ 15:49 |
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you guys should name this thread to xbox fan boys vs ps3 fan boys. why do you guys take it so personally when someone talks sh** about the system you like? also why are there so many people out there that even bother to talk sh** about it in the first place? honestly if you don't like it don't bother with it. its a waste of time trying to provide an argument because if someone hates something then they're not going to change their minds cuz of something you're trying to point out to them. just stick with whatever system you like and keep it to yourself. i don't see a reason to blindly follow a system that has just been released like xbox 360 or a system that hasn't even come out yet like ps3.
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