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shaffaaf

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5. June 2009 @ 11:28

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IMO the new X2 550 BE > intel dual cores.

just for the fact that it can be unlocked to a quad core!

(well the OCablility aswell :D)

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Tap_paT

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5. June 2009 @ 11:30

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Originally posted by sammorris:
See my edit above, the motherboard is wrong.

Jeff: All the new CPUs are AM3. IIRC that means they work in AM2+ boards.

Is there a Maximus formula for AMD?
I have a catalogue that says there is an AMD Maximus II Formula

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sammorris

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5. June 2009 @ 11:34

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No, that's the Crosshair II Formula

Shaff: Why make one of the things that weakens a CPU its selling point? The AMDs are the better products stock, but overclocked the Intel wins. They're great CPUs for the majority of people who don't overclock, but when you do consider enthusiast users, their appeal is weaker. The core unlock is largely irrelevant since so few boards can do it.

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Tap_paT

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5. June 2009 @ 11:36

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Originally posted by sammorris:
No, that's the Crosshair II Formula

Shaff: Why make one of the things that weakens a CPU its selling point? The AMDs are the better products stock, but overclocked the Intel wins. They're great CPUs for the majority of people who don't overclock, but when you do consider enthusiast users, their appeal is weaker. The core unlock is largely irrelevant since so few boards can do it.

Last annoying newbism; Will the crosshair work in my setup?

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sammorris

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5. June 2009 @ 11:37

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Well, yes, but it's a ludicrously over-complex board for your uses. You would be better off with something a lot cheaper.

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Estuansis

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5. June 2009 @ 11:43

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Jeff: All the new CPUs are AM3. IIRC that means they work in AM2+ boards.

Well there were supposed to be some AM3 only models, some AM2+ only models, and some revised AM3 models that also have a DDR2 memory controller for use with AM2+ boards. I'm not sure which is which. I think if the X3s can do AM2+, the X2s should also be able to.

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sammorris

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5. June 2009 @ 11:45

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All AM3 CPUs work in AM2+ with DDR2 don't they?

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shaffaaf

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5. June 2009 @ 12:37

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theres a crosshair iii coming out.

and sam, because they are strong dual cores which can be turned into quad cores, what not to like?

the enthusiast will want to do that, and over clock them.

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sammorris

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5. June 2009 @ 12:42

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The fact that nobody outside extremesystems will actually turn them into quad cores.
That you can get a very fast dual core CPU that performs exceptionally well in games for £65 is excellent, but when you consider overclocking, an E5300 is a much better looking option simply for the ridiculous speeds those CPUs can achieve.
Power usage of the new CPUs is still pretty chunky though.
E7200: 57W idle, 67W HD video, 88W load
X2250: 60W idle, 84W HD video, 122W load
X2550: 65W idle, 85W HD video, 129W load

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shaffaaf

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5. June 2009 @ 12:49

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why would the extreme user only unlcok cores? im sure any overclocker, will unlock them as Ocing is all about getting extra for nothing....

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3572&p=10

that says otherwise about the power consumption

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sammorris

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5. June 2009 @ 12:52

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It doesn't seem to have sunk in that you can only use very specific boards to unlock the cores on these chips. If it could be done on any board, it would be much more appealing.

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shaffaaf

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5. June 2009 @ 13:43

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right, and anyone makign a new build woudl then buy those boards.... i dont see the problem.

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theonejrs

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5. June 2009 @ 13:48

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Originally posted by dru3692:
Ok, Take 2!

DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136144
CASE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119106
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
Video: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125236
Power Supply: http://www.warcom.com.au/shop/flypage/co...-supplies/12687
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104073
MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131319
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471

Am I doon it rite?

If you end up with this case you've listed here, you may consider putting some silicone on the inside of the unused larger drive panels. They are removed by pushing inward, so every time you accidentally touch or hit them they will fall inside the case. It gets a little irritating to deal with after the third or fourth time because you have to remove the side panels to get to the front where they have fallen. And at least with silicone, not glue, you can remove it later if you end up using more of the slots.

dru3692,
That doesn't apply to the Centurion RC 334. Those are metal and only release from the back to the outside. they are impossible to push in on mine, and they lock in place very tight!

Best Regards,
Russ

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theonejrs

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5. June 2009 @ 14:12

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Originally posted by sammorris:
All AM3 CPUs work in AM2+ with DDR2 don't they?

Sam,
As far as I know, only the Phenom II socket AM3 is AM3 only. It doesn't have the DDR2 memory controller. The new one due out soon will be AM2+/AM3. I guess they wanted to have something to put in the AM3 motherboards that are popping up all over!

Russ

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sammorris

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5. June 2009 @ 16:15

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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
right, and anyone makign a new build woudl then buy those boards.... i dont see the problem.

A scabby cheap ASRock? Hmm....

Russ: Hmm, then that puts a big hole in the new AMD CPU lineup.

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theonejrs

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5. June 2009 @ 17:45

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Originally posted by sammorris:

Originally posted by shaffaaf:
right, and anyone makign a new build woudl then buy those boards.... i dont see the problem.

A scabby cheap ASRock? Hmm....

Russ: Hmm, then that puts a big hole in the new AMD CPU lineup.

Sam,
Not really. You can still get a 940 Phenom II for AM2+, as well as a few others. At the moment it's difficult to find out which ones are compatible with bith AM2+ and AM3. I was looking at that 550 Phenom II that shaff mentioned, and while it says AM3 on newegg, checking the motherboard list at AMD for it shows a number of AM2+ motherboards, other than the 790FX, so I have to assume that it will work with either AM2+ or AM3!

Russ

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sammorris

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5. June 2009 @ 18:36

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True, but the 905e is a more attractive proposition with its decent energy usage.

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shaffaaf

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5. June 2009 @ 20:01

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this link that russ posted showed that an asrock was not needed to unlock cores, they used a GB

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/dis...2_15.html#sect0

and when it was a quad core it hit 3.8ghz

would you seriously not choose that over an intel dual core?

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sammorris

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5. June 2009 @ 20:41

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I'm assuming you glossed over the other caveat they posted after that :P

I do think the 550 is a better CPU than most Intels, certainly for the price, and have for a while, but this is not, nor will it ever be the reason why.

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Tap_paT

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5. June 2009 @ 21:16

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Estuansis

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5. June 2009 @ 22:49

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Yes the dual core Phenom IIs are turning out fantastic. You should not depend on unlocking them, but stock they are very good CPUs for the price. All AMDs, Athlons/Phenoms/Phenom IIs have always performed quite decently in games compared to Intel so it's no surprise to see the X2 550 doing well. If my 7750 BE can push a 9800GTX+ this well in games, I see no reason why the 550 can't do the same job but faster with lower power use. I'm certainly interested in one for my 780G board. Thus my wondering if they are AM2+ compatible.

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theonejrs

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5. June 2009 @ 22:55

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Originally posted by Tap_paT:
OK. Take (strike?) 3
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CASE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119106
MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131366
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104073
Video: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125236
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136144
Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004

Im hoping to buy all this OR would this MOBO; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...abyte%20ma790xt Work better?

Tap_paT,
I hate to tell you this but you have the wrong CPU. It's AM2+ only! I'm waiting for the AM2+/AM3 myself. Only the Phenom II x4 810, 945 and 955 are Phenom IIs for socket AM3, at the moment!

Russ

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cincyrob

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6. June 2009 @ 00:26

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Originally posted by Tap_paT:
OK. Take (strike?) 3
:P
CASE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119106
MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131366
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104073
Video: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125236
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136144
Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004

Im hoping to buy all this OR would this MOBO; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...abyte%20ma790xt Work better?

the only thing i would change would be the dvd burner(other than a Q9650 and a ASUS P5Q Deluxe). take a look at this bad boy.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118030

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omegaman7

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6. June 2009 @ 01:25

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Very nice choice Rob. I would have probably suggested the same. In fact, I just did suggest it to somebody at work :O I have NO complaints with my Optiarcs. Except that they're not quite that good at Ripping/reading. But that's not why I bought them. They're EXCELLENT burners. THAT'S why I bought them :) My LH-20A1H has proven itself the best reader. Though the DRU820(Sony), has read some VERY nasty looking discs. Though I think it has a Panasonic chipset. I don't burn with it anymore though. It doesn't like burning any quicker than 4X, and even at that speed, it's beginning to show Degradation toward the end of the disc.

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theonejrs

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6. June 2009 @ 02:38

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Originally posted by cincyrob:

Originally posted by Tap_paT:
OK. Take (strike?) 3
:P
CASE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119106
MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131366
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104073
Video: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125236
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136144
Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004

Im hoping to buy all this OR would this MOBO; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...abyte%20ma790xt Work better?
the only thing i would change would be the dvd burner(other than a Q9650 and a ASUS P5Q Deluxe). take a look at this bad boy.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...7118030

Rob,
It's a moot point! If he doesn't change his choice of CPU, it's not going to work anyway! ROFL!! The CPU he linked is AM2+ only!

Russ

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