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10. June 2009 @ 07:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
As someone that's owned two of them I disagree. I don't think there's anything wrong with the WD5000AAKS as a product. They're getting on a bit now, they came out in either late 2006 or very early 2007.
You do realise RAIDing a 500 and a 1TB together only gets you 1TB of space right?



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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Im becoming quite discontent with the AAKS 500GB Wd drive. My brothers might be on the fritz, and mine is substantially slower than the FALS 1TB drive. Perhaps it was WD's lemon ehh. I just bought the AALS 500GB today, to replace my brothers drive. I'll use his for storage, assuming its any good. Thankfully, it still has 4 yrs on its warranty :D I installed Nero 9, side by side on a dual core, and my quad system, and the dual core kept up. I believe it to be because the Fals drive is the Dual Cores Operating system. Currently, the dual core is impressing me once again...*shrugs his shoulders*

I might even attempt a raid 0 array for the first time(assuming his drive isn't too bad). If I have his drive, and mine, it should be at least a little quicker than the FALS, heck... probably even the VelociRaptor! At least for read write speeds. Wish I had two AALS drives. They have twice the cache that the AAKS have. Ah well. SSD will be my path before too long :D

Raid 5 IMO is the best choice, but you need 3 drives, and I'm not sure if they all have to be the same size or will shorten their capacity to match the smallest one. If I remember rightly it can be recovered unless more than one drive fails. To me, Raid 5 a good compromise between Speed and storage capacity! That's about the whole thing. It's speed vs capacity. You want more speed, you have to give up capacity!

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Well no, you want redundancy, you sacrifice capacity. RAID0 is the simplest way of getting big speed and you lose no space if both drives are the same size, downside is there's worse than no redundancy, if one drive fails, you lose the lot. With RAID5 and above, if one drive fails, there's no consequence for your data. RAID5 is something I'm considering for my file server, but I need to ascertain exactly how to hook up WD Green drives in an array, and where to find a reasonably priced 8-port PCI Express RAID5 card.



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Trouble is Russ, it depends what you use RAID 5 for, it can be a much slower alternative to say, RAID 10, RAID 0 etc.
It's a very good RAID indeed (i've administered it in both hardware and software flavours), but used for the wrong purpose it can be slow.
After many years of using RAID 10 (software RAID) at work it was very quick indeed, especially as it was over fibre. Then eventually we had hardware RAID 5 on a SAN, very good indeed but slow as all our applications were (very) disk intensive. I also administered RAID 5 via smaller, standalone hardware arrays, very nice indeed and quite quick but they were smaller applications.
Back in the world of home PC's i don't know how RAID 5 would fare in general applications. I'm not personally interested in RAID at home as i don't like to sacrifice any capacity as that capacity is out of my own wallet :), hence why i have all my (manual) backups in external enclosures. Plus backups of important stuff is archived on DVD so i don't really need any RAID. I don't personally like copies of information/discs up and spinning if they don't need to be - i'm (very) old school, i like backups to be accessed only infrequently, and sometimes just to check they're still viable.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Well no, you want redundancy, you sacrifice capacity. RAID0 is the simplest way of getting big speed and you lose no space if both drives are the same size, downside is there's worse than no redundancy, if one drive fails, you lose the lot. With RAID5 and above, if one drive fails, there's no consequence for your data. RAID5 is something I'm considering for my file server, but I need to ascertain exactly how to hook up WD Green drives in an array, and where to find a reasonably priced 8-port PCI Express RAID5 card.

Sam,
True! You can have redundancy with Raid1 Mirror, but it slows it down to less than a single. Not very much less though! I do RAID1 with a lot of business computers The Raid5 gives you a fair amount of redundancy, as the likely-hood of two drives failing is pretty slim, and it gives you more speed with, as you say, "no consequence for your data"!

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Mmm, my friend's server uses RAID6, which has a huge potential transfer speed, internally many hundreds of MB/s. Of course, he paid the full price for a 16-port Areca RAID6 hardware PCIe card. I'm not quite willing to spend 8TB worth of storage on the controller itself...



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Originally posted by sammorris:
As someone that's owned two of them I disagree. I don't think there's anything wrong with the WD5000AAKS as a product. They're getting on a bit now, they came out in either late 2006 or very early 2007.
You do realise RAIDing a 500 and a 1TB together only gets you 1TB of space right?

Yes, im aware of that. I like to experiment, even when the answers are right in front of me LOL! I like to see things for myself. I am also aware of how risky raid 0 is. It would only be housing my operating system. I would love to see installs go quicker, as well as certain programs opening up super quicker. And again, more than anything, I LOVE to experiment LOL! :D Hands on is by far the best way to learn. Im sure most of you will agree.



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and from my own experience I can tell you that you won't be loading programs any faster.



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Higher Mb/s...and your programs didn't open up quicker? So basically, Raid 0 arrays, ARE POINTLESS? Cause from the responses ive read, it sure seems that way. From what ive read across the web, Raid 0 (mathmatically), doubles both read and write speeds, respectively. Now obviously, controller cards, software, Mobo, could have a great deal of influence here. But ideally, isn't this true of Raid 0? Processors, typically wait on HDD's. HDD's are the biggest bottleneck in any system. With a Raid 0 array, it splits the data in half to say...A and B, Bits. Much like Ram, its best to use identical drives, with identical size and speed.

Does anything sound wrong here?



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RAID0 ups transfer speed, not response time. Most of the time response time is what we're 'waiting' for. A gig of memory can be loaded off any modern hard disk in 12 seconds flat. That's as much memory as XP will use with all your programs open, and only twice that much for Vista. The time is the time spent seeking around to find the data, and using RAID0 only makes that worse, not better.



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Ahhh, but I bet you'd be on board with solid state disks ehh.

I think im gonna wait, and play with SSD, when they become more mainstreamed. MORE AFFORDABLE! :D



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From someone who has experience with both RAID5 and SSD's I think I may be able to speak on this...I setup RAID5 on my home server to extend my learning and to save over 400GB of my bands multimedia archives. I have 3x500GB so I only get 1TB of space. It is not for a casual user and some of the features and jargon is honestly above me at this point but I'M LEARNING. I havent practiced tearing down arrays and pretending there was a failure of a disc to further my lessons, but I have a few extra HDD's around so I'm going to backup the array and play once i get time for that project because an SSD was my most recent project.
I'll start by saying I totally understand in this economy not spending cash on a 30GB drive for the price of a 1TB drive. I also understand that even though I've been here forever I post sporadically and people take my words with a grain of salt even if I've already shown benchmarks and have nothing but glowing reviews. That being said, I dont know why more people arent jumping on this bandwagon! Theres been hardly any talk of this new tech around AD but the difference is amazing. Its perfect for the user who puts their OS on one partition and data on another (see my RAID5 above)... ONE OCZ vertex is so much faster than a regular disc that I'm thinking of buying another and using my RAID card on 2 SSD's instead of my setup described above just to see what its like. The speeds are redonkulous and really if you are worried about the stability and newness of the technology then image the partition early and often. I have enough extra space to save an image of a 30GB drive...
I will gladly run any more tests that you people may ask to prove I'm not (erase mental image)speaking from my anus.(/erase mental image)

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I'm having a problem with AnyDvd with my new build. I decided to give it a try and downloaded the latest version, 6558. AnyDvd says you get a 21 day Free Trial! HA! As soon as I installed it, I got a message saying the the trial period was over. This was a completely wiped HDD, and never had any version of AnyDvd installed on it before. I guess they tell you you have a 21 day trial period, but they want you to buy it, and lie to get you to download and install it. My date and time are correct, and haven't changed. The real rub is this is a 65 year old movie, hardly anyone's heard of! I've tried everything I own including the latest Fab Platinum, and nothing works! I can play the DVD fine, I just can't rip it! Any ideas?

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This a disney movie by chance?Trial versions of Any DVD don't have all the updates anymore or the Betas.
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Russ,

There is a more recent version, 6559. Maybe it will work for you.
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Originally posted by ChrisC586:
This a disney movie by chance?Trial versions of Any DVD don't have all the updates anymore or the Betas.

ChrisC586,
no, it a 20th Century fox movie called 4 Jills in a Jeep from 1944. I've never come across anything like it! Neither the latest versions of AnyDvd and FabDVD6 work on it. I've tried older versions since I first tried it, but nothing will rip it! Not to a 5 or a 9!

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Originally posted by sytyguy:
Russ,

There is a more recent version, 6559. Maybe it will work for you.

sytyguy,
I googled it and downloaded it from slysoft, only this time it works. This is the error I get!




I'm going to replace the DVD on Monday and try again. I've cleaned the DVD, but still get the same message. I'm just trying to understand why and "obscure" movie, like "4 Jills in a Jeep", that's 65 years old would be copy protected at all! LOL!! I know it's not the region problem because both my drives are set to region 1. It seems to play fine, so I don't know what the problem is. Thanks for your help though!

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Russ by any chance is that DVD a DL?
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Originally posted by FredBun:
Russ by any chance is that DVD a DL?

Fred,
I have no idea. There's a plastic label on the hub, and I've looked all over it, but I don't see anything that would tell me. My gut feeling is that it's not DL! Did you get what I sent?

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Russ,
Anydvd should be telling you that its dual layer. Although, there are other ways of knowing (under normal circumstances), like how much data is on the disc. If its 4480mb and under, chances are its single layer, though disney has surprised me a few times LOL! I suppose they can afford to waste DL discs where they're not needed. I would say that most dvds are DL. Probably AT LEAST 80-90%. In fact, im nearly surprised when I see single layer dvds. Usually only low budget movies are single layer though. Or some of the first dvds produced, in the early 90's.

Sometimes encryption will tell you its an absurd amount of data. That is to say, it fools windows into believing its say 200GB! Extremely rare however. To date, I've only seen 2 or 3. However, in region 2, I hear their encryptions are worse!

Sorry about off topic guys :(



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I most certainly did, thanks, I'll tell you about it when I call tomorrow, the old wifey is sleeping so I can't call and shoot the breeze now, my fevers are finally down, it's been a rough several weeks and my scar swelling is down also, that heavy anti-biotic really helped I was so glad I didn't wind up back in the hospital I had cellulits on my scar is what caused the redness and swelling which is also a major cause of joint replacement infections, but all seams clear now, and I'm finnaly able to sit a little longer on my PC, it's a little rough plus you can't sit to long on a 90 degree angle after a hip relepacement.

First I was kinda suprised you were not able to get a clean download with anydvd with the 21 day trial, usually that never happens, I don't know how slysoft works now after this Jan.1st when they gave notice about many changes maybe that had something to do with it, I know before than Iv'e never heard about troubles downloaded the trial version, I would try again or maybe you can download a trial thru AD's site, either way if you can't get a copy made of the movie let me know I have 4 Jills I can send it pronto if you wish. And last, if you still have trouble getting the 21 day frebbie you can write to slysoft about it, I always was able to get quick responce from thier support, I know they would help you get the trial cause most people that get it usually wind up buying it so it would be kinda stupid not to help you.
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Originally posted by FredBun:
I most certainly did, thanks, I'll tell you about it when I call tomorrow, the old wifey is sleeping so I can't call and shoot the breeze now, my fevers are finally down, it's been a rough several weeks and my scar swelling is down also, that heavy anti-biotic really helped I was so glad I didn't wind up back in the hospital I had cellulits on my scar is what caused the redness and swelling which is also a major cause of joint replacement infections, but all seams clear now, and I'm finnaly able to sit a little longer on my PC, it's a little rough plus you can't sit to long on a 90 degree angle after a hip relepacement.

First I was kinda suprised you were not able to get a clean download with anydvd with the 21 day trial, usually that never happens, I don't know how slysoft works now after this Jan.1st when they gave notice about many changes maybe that had something to do with it, I know before than Iv'e never heard about troubles downloaded the trial version, I would try again or maybe you can download a trial thru AD's site, either way if you can't get a copy made of the movie let me know I have 4 Jills I can send it pronto if you wish. And last, if you still have trouble getting the 21 day frebbie you can write to slysoft about it, I always was able to get quick responce from thier support, I know they would help you get the trial cause most people that get it usually wind up buying it so it would be kinda stupid not to help you.

Fred,
I think it's the DVD itself. I think it's a bit much to expect everything to fail to rip it. I tried the latest version, 6559 of anydvd, and the latest version, 6.0.1.0 of Fab Platinum. Both say that it's failing to read the disk. I'm 100% positive that the Region Code isn't the problem, so I think it's a bad disk. It does have some spots on it that are suspect! LOL!! The Anydvd 6558 was a beta, and I've been advised that the beta doesn't give me everything the non-beta 6559 does. I had no trouble with it at all!

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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Russ,
Anydvd should be telling you that its dual layer. Although, there are other ways of knowing (under normal circumstances), like how much data is on the disc. If its 4480mb and under, chances are its single layer, though disney has surprised me a few times LOL! I suppose they can afford to waste DL discs where they're not needed. I would say that most dvds are DL. Probably AT LEAST 80-90%. In fact, im nearly surprised when I see single layer dvds. Usually only low budget movies are single layer though. Or some of the first dvds produced, in the early 90's.

Sometimes encryption will tell you its an absurd amount of data. That is to say, it fools windows into believing its say 200GB! Extremely rare however. To date, I've only seen 2 or 3. However, in region 2, I hear their encryptions are worse!

Sorry about off topic guys :(

Oman7,
It never finishes reading the DVD, so there's no information at all on the disk to be had! DVD Shrink won't even open it! It's also 7.819GB in size. It's an almost 3 hour movie! I only chose it because I knew it was difficult and long and I wanted to compare it!

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7GB, thats DL



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Yeah I agree. A 7GB movie is definitely on a dual layer DVD.



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