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16. June 2009 @ 13:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by cincyrob:
looking at new ram. 2x2gb sticks. these arent the beloved dominator series, not even a corsair set in the list. good ram is getting pretty cheap even for 4gb. is there a real advantage to haveing a heat spreader as to not have one? other than for protection of the chips on the sticks????i know sounds stupid but thats how it truely looks.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcom...lt=True

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Read the name, "Heat Spreader"! LOL!! That's what it does. It keeps the heat even across the chips as well as increasing the surface area that the air contacts to help remove the heat!

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The high-end Gigabyte boards have proven a little soso to be honest, but Gigabyte are certainly the #1 manufacturer for low-midrange boards that work. DFI boards tend to have rather confusing BIOSes, and obviously, if you buy a microATX board you should expect less functionality, at least straight out of the box.
Cheap Asus and ASRock boards are pretty much guaranteed to fail in a short lifetime. The higher end ones aren't as bad, but agreed, their design leaves a lot to be desired.
The Asus BIOS does more than the Gigabyte, but ultimately is let down by the quality of the board itself. It offers several advanced config options that Gigabyte BIOSes don't offer outside P45, yet the maximum FSB of the chipset is so low (460) that none of them ever need to be used.
DFI boards are still very picky about certain hardware which makes them a big risk to use in a lot of systems. Biostar is the most attractive proposition at the moment, but of course they don't make X48 boards and their history of mediocre quality products is hard to ignore.

I tend to find heatspreaders on RAM only necessary when using four sticks together. Two sticks it doesn't seem to be necessary.



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I tend to find heatspreaders on RAM only necessary when using four sticks together. Two sticks it doesn't seem to be necessary.
Agreed but that didn't stop me from popping the heatsinks off my mushkin and applying some ceramique :P

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146793

Necessary or not, that's good RAM cooling. lol



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16. June 2009 @ 13:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by sammorris:
DFI boards tend to have rather confusing BIOSes

Why do I like the sound of that LOL! Sounds to me like it has A LOT of features :D



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Yeah the BIOS is confusing at first but if you spend some time exploring and reading all the options you can learn it fairly easily. DFI boards are made for overclocking.



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true, but there are a lot of Yes/No options in there that have basically no bearing on how far you can overclock, but probably will cause problems.



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16. June 2009 @ 13:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well I just don't mess with anything if I don't need it or I don't know what it does. It has very fine voltage adjustments though and a lot of options that DO affect OCing.



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Hey estuansis,
is your current clock, stable in vista or windows 7? If so, I may just consider DFI for my next build :D



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Yep fully Vista and 7 stable. The only reason I don't have it at 3.8 right now :P



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Heck yah! So, XP will handle 3.8? But vista/7 wont?



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Sounds plausible.



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Exactly. Full 24 hours Orthos stable in XP, but Vista and 7 bluescreen sitting on the desktop. Vista IS worse about it than 7 though.



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I think im gonna shy away from OBG boards in the future. Unless they're for customers/people that don't require a gaming machine.



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Well there's really nothing wrong with OBG in practice. I have a board with OBG and it OCs nicely and performs exceptionally well.



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So onboard graphics isn't always the case, when it comes to hitting an OC wall...limitation? Hmmm, I guess I wont know for a while. Replacing my PSU is just not a priority right now. It sounds like your DFI may have a great deal more settings in its bios. Perhaps that has something to do with it eh.



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Right. Integrated graphics may hinder you slightly but you'd be far more likely to be hitting the limit of the chip. Have you tried going any higher with your 940? What voltage are you using? Have you tried OCing using the multiplier only, leaving the FSB alone? 3.5GHz is a low OC. I've seen them go higher on 780G boards.



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Probably a bad bin then. Ive tried multiple ways. 1.475 is the highest Ive gotten the Vcore. And yes, I tried ONLY the multi to no avail. The only way to know for sure, is to put it in another board. Currently, thats out of the question. Perhaps I can talk my brother into getting a similar board(AM2+), with OC potential. He should be in the market REAL SOON! And im not going MSI for a while. They let me down. They're grounded LOL! No offense MSI, I have another of your boards and its good. But the bad board really angers me. :D



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Originally posted by cincyrob:
Originally posted by Estuansis:
In my experience Gigabyte is the most reputable board manufacturer. I've been using them almost exclusively since I was wowed by the GA-965P-DS3. I have never been dissatisfied one bit with their quality or design. And the one board that did go south they replaced for free with an updated version!!
well im not trying to start a war between mobo manufactures,but i have had 3 different gigabyte boards and i have had nothing but trouble with all 3. gigabyte has replaced them with one that works and after i get the replacement they are fine. just something about haveing 3 different boards and all 3 of them have had northbridge problems. thats just my bad luck i guess. i know there are good reliable gigabyte boards.. myself have yet to have one. thats why in the near future i will be trying out a different manufacture. BioStar,ASUS are the top 2 that im looking at. with DFI a close 3rd.
if i stay with my E8400 i think i will go with the Biostar board, but if i do plan on getting the Q9550 i will get a ASUS or DFI board.

Rob,
It can happen. Look at what I went through with this last build. In retrospect though, there was probably nothing wrong with the first one at all. I just never considered that there could be a problem with the brand new video panel in my monitor. In fact, I was sort of dumb about it as I discounted the possibility of a monitor problem because it had just been rebuilt. Then I got a very early UD4H, and it had a problem with the SB chip, which compounded the problems, what with 2 major hardware problems. It left me in a position where I had no idea of what was wrong because I was getting different problems at different times. I did the same thing you did with your first GigaByte and wound up replacing everything, not knowing that the 2nd board had a chipset problem. I didn't actually have the memory replaced as I took the memory out of Oxi and still had the same problems, and my memory had no problems in the other machine, yet like you I was getting all sorts of memory errors. By that time the Chipset problem had damaged the CPU, so it became a vicious cycle. How I remained so calm through it, I'll never know! I think that it was because there was no competition, as most here didn't want an AMD to begin with. Even with Estuansis and Omegaman7 building AMDs, we always try to help one another to get the best results. There's no "in your face" attitude! Even with the problems I did have, nobody rubbed it in!

Like me, your first GigaByte MB was more than likely your own fault, when you pulled a Shaff (LOL!), and cranked it up to 4GHz and hurt the CPU! LOL!! Like me, you won't be doing that again, either! LOL!! Also like me, your first one was more than likely not the MB, which would have meant, had you replaced your CPU and I replaced my monitor, there probably would have been no problem to begin with with both our first motherboards, so had either of us known that, there would have been no reason to replace either of our motherboards and we never would have had all the headaches with the one that followed to begin with! LOL!! We live, we learn!

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Originally posted by sammorris:
The high-end Gigabyte boards have proven a little soso to be honest, but Gigabyte are certainly the #1 manufacturer for low-midrange boards that work. DFI boards tend to have rather confusing BIOSes, and obviously, if you buy a microATX board you should expect less functionality, at least straight out of the box.
Cheap Asus and ASRock boards are pretty much guaranteed to fail in a short lifetime. The higher end ones aren't as bad, but agreed, their design leaves a lot to be desired.
The Asus BIOS does more than the Gigabyte, but ultimately is let down by the quality of the board itself. It offers several advanced config options that Gigabyte BIOSes don't offer outside P45, yet the maximum FSB of the chipset is so low (460) that none of them ever need to be used.
DFI boards are still very picky about certain hardware which makes them a big risk to use in a lot of systems. Biostar is the most attractive proposition at the moment, but of course they don't make X48 boards and their history of mediocre quality products is hard to ignore.

I tend to find heatspreaders on RAM only necessary when using four sticks together. Two sticks it doesn't seem to be necessary.

Sam,
Anytime you can make things run cooler inside a PC, it's a good thing! Anything electronic will benefit from running cooler. After running Linpack for a couple of hours, my Dominators (which have rather tall heat spreders) are barely warm to the touch. When it comes to electronics, cooler is better, always!

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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Right. Integrated graphics may hinder you slightly but you'd be far more likely to be hitting the limit of the chip. Have you tried going any higher with your 940? What voltage are you using? Have you tried OCing using the multiplier only, leaving the FSB alone? 3.5GHz is a low OC. I've seen them go higher on 780G boards.

Estuansis,
Integrated graphics as implemented on my DS4H hinders nothing. When it's turned off, it's off! It has no bearing on the overclock at all! Mine doesn't overclock one bit better on the 790FX without the Integrated graphics. It's been tried with my CPU on a number of motherboards! It still runs out of steam at 3.2GHz. It will run 3.3GHz and even pass linpack at 1.522v, but the computer will reset in the middle of DVDRB/CCE while encoding!

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Well as I correctly remember it was only ever an issue when the OBG is enabled. The HD3200 and HD3400 graphics chips are actually dedicated chips and integrated only to the point of being on the same PCB. Not only does this mean better performance, it means even boards with integrated graphics can still have them effectively gone! This is why the 780G is my current favorite budget chipset. It OCs and performs just like 790, but it costs less. The only differences are the lack of ACC and heavy power management.

It even has 16x/4x PCI-E slots that can do 8x/8x Crossfire!



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I think it's actually 8x/4x if I remember rightly.



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Nope the first slot works independently as a 16x slot and the second slot works independently as a 4x slot. When you do Crossfire it goes 8x/8x. I tried it with my 4870s and I'm fairly sure that's how it worked as both are full sized slots. The performance benefits from Crossfire were certainly there.



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Hmm, interesting, maybe that is how it works. Of course, I didn't see that much loss from an X2 in an 8x slot, so maybe a 4870 in a 4x slot isn't too huge and issue with PCIe 2.0 either...



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I never thought that slot bandwidth was that big an issue. The effect of dual cards is still there. Testing in my 780G board was maybe ~10% slower than my 790FX board. Sometimes worse than 10%, sometimes matching the 790FX. But it was ALWAYS still way faster than one card even in the worst spots. I only went for the full 16x/16x because it was just the proper thing to do for 4870s. But if you were to have say a 780G board and an HD4850, by all means get another one and do Crossfire. It's still worth it.

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