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25. November 2010 @ 01:00 |
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Sam, Reckoning can get into the 20s at times but overall runs in the mid 30s. The rest of the game runs 40-43ish. The benchmark says 41 average. 4xAA gives me 36. But I don't run 4xAA.
With my custom settings(WHICH GIVE IDENTICAL VISUALS!!!!GRRRR) the benchmark gives me 50FPS average, about 45 with AA. Most of the big frame drop is the DX10 motion blur. My settings are such:
Textures: Very High
Objects Distance: High
Shadows: High
Physics: Very High
Shaders Quality: High
Volumetric Effects Quality: Very High
Game Effects Quality: Very High
Postprocessing Quality: High
Particles Quality: Very High
Water Quality: High
Sound Quality: Very High
Motion Blur: High
Applied on top of these settings is my custom .ini:
r_UsePOM=1(forces POM)
r_SunShafts=1(Forces Sunshafts ie PostProcessing)
e_water_ocean_fft=1 (Cinematic Waves but a slightly less complex shader)
q_Renderer=3 (Forces "very high" mode in high shaders)
r_colorgrading=1 (ie the Cinematic lighting and coloring from very high)
r_EdgeAA=0 (turns off AA on foliage, slightly crisper look and good FPS boost)
sys_budget_videomem=1024 (Apparently helps the game manage Vmem better???)
sys_physics_CPU=3 (Moves physics to the 4th core as the first three handle most other processing in the game)
e_detail_materials_view_dist_xy=4096 (Makes distant objects like mountains and trees much higher res separate from in-game settings)
Basically what I've done is enable all the "eye candy" the makes Very High look good while also increasing FPS and making parts of the game look better than stock. I've spent considerable time at both true Very High and my Custom settings and the difference is almost nil. Sometimes I forget which version I'm playing until I realize how well it's running. My settings sacrifice ever so slightly in a few areas for large gains in others and in the end you will never be able to tell the difference.
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25. November 2010 @ 01:39 |
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Go here, then tell me you get 30fps :P
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harvrdguy
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26. November 2010 @ 21:12 |
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Originally posted by sam:
The HD6970 should be somewhere between 215 and 250W TDP. I'm guessing around the 225W mark of the GTX470/570.
A 750W PSU will run two, but it will be stressing the unit quite hard.
Would you say, Sam, that I would have a little room for some mild overclocking of the Q9450, or would I be pushing my luck?
On another note, I went back looking for Estuansis' very memorable review on that game where you could see the chinese soldiers about a half mile away. It was farther back than I thought - back to end of '09 I think - I actually never found the review.
But finally, the more I started looking for the game, the more I remembered that it had one of those two-part names - and then I remembered that the maps were unusually large. So finally I did a google search of "fps with huge maps" and found the game, Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising.
I am able to pick up the game for a song, so I'll likely be trying it out on my next monthly 4-day gaming weekend, coming up next weekend.
Jeff, I know that you're pretty hooked on BC2, and OF:DR in comparison probably doesn't do that well. But keeping in mind that BC2 is out of range for my hardware, in hindsight, do you still like Dragon Rising? (I see there's a sequel to the game coming out next year.)
I am picking up the rest of the Call of Duty games, COD6 and COD7, as well, since you said, Sam, that they should run on my rig pretty much as WaW did, and I'm picking up Medal of Honor single player too.
Next weekend is my second official once-a-month gaming weekend, and I have now designed it to be a four day weekend, Friday through Monday, to allow quasi-total-immersion, lol. So I'll be trying out those new titles.
On the last gaming weekend, I went back after an almost seven month absence, and played the extra Left 4 Dead chapters, the Passing, and - what is the other one - the Sacrifice? I played the Sacrifice on Left 4 Dead, but I need to play it on Left 4 Dead 2, to see the whole group together.
As we were playing on Advanced, and had to restart the Left 4 Dead 2 Passing several times, I got to see Zoey several times with her arms crossed looking rather stoic up there on the bridge, which I guess was appropriate considering the sacrifice that had just occurred.
That was actually kind of sad.
It was fun to hear the characters chatting in the safe house, asking Ellis how he was going to impress Zoey this time, and Ellis being perturbed, having just gone through the sewers - and looking about that good. Then of course, Nick was wising off, saying that Ellis had his chance, and now smooth Nick was going to take over. At one point Rochelle came up with a new line, saying something to Nick along the lines "But she's going to be able to hear you talk - she won't like you." Haha.
Some of the other mic'd that they hadn't heard that line from Rochelle before - it was a good one. Still, watching Zoey made me sad.
(Miles had been surprised about six months ago when I told him - he thought at the time that the whole bit about a guy being unavailable to tape the first expansion, leading to a shift in the character set, was not a good thing to do to the game. Still, I guess if there was enough popular demand, we might see our favorite war hero again some time. - I'm trying to avoid a spoiler if there is anybody left who doesn't know the whole story.)
Edit: Using google's help, I found Jeff's Dragon Rising post - PAGE 194 - post 4833 from 10/13/09. A couple pages later Shaff was mentioning he liked the game too - everybody was comparing it to COD4. Jeff also mentioned liking the realistic force feedback shooting of the xbox controller - how much does one of those controllers cost?
Rich
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26. November 2010 @ 21:54 |
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There'd be room to overclock the CPU with two 6970s, but you would be very near the limit of the PSU, depending on what the power draw of the 6970 actually is, we still don't know, and won't do until it's released.
OF:DR has considerable problems with crossfire, so don't be too surprised if the game doesn't run that great on your new system, whenever you get hold of it :P
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harvrdguy
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27. November 2010 @ 21:09 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
There'd be room to overclock the CPU with two 6970s, but you would be very near the limit of the PSU, depending on what the power draw of the 6970 actually is, we still don't know, and won't do until it's released.
OF:DR has considerable problems with crossfire, so don't be too surprised if the game doesn't run that great on your new system, whenever you get hold of it :P
Thanks - I'm going to review your overclocking notes and begin some stuff with the 9450, especially after the article shaff linked us to about Black Ops performing better the faster the cpu. I did get Black Ops and installed it - I'll play it next weekend.
Before I overclock, I want to go through the user manual and see how to copy the bios to a floppy, or better yet to a thumb drive, in case I screw things up, so I don't have to go and look for a jumper to get the bios back to default settings, like I had to do on on one of my rigs about six months ago.
Regarding OF:DR, I got that one too and loaded it, and turned it on. Same with Medal of Honor Single Player, and same with MW2.
I tested all four of the new games this afternoon - just a couple minutes each. MW2 I didn't even leave the camp - but the camp looked awesome!! I watched the guys play basketball for a bit, lol.
It looks like all four of those games will run just under 30 fps at full 2560x1600, 4xAA. OF:DR might be a little closer to 25fps. I'm running them on my present equipment, non-over-clocked q9450, and non-over-clocked 8800GTX.
I did take note of some 8800GTX overclockers commenting on newegg - but you guys seem to be unanimously against overclocking the gpu.
Still, I am thinking about doing it. I always had overclocked the 3850, especially when I put Jeff's aftermarket VF1000 zalman cooler on it - and that card performed well for me for two years - it didn't suffer from the overclocking. My rationale was - hey, the card only cost me $100, so what the heck.
The 8800GTX already runs hot, but I AM running the fan at 100%, and we are now in winter - the weather is not hot at all - in fact it's freezing, lol. I don't have good case ventilation, as you know, but I DID put the kaze in front, and I could put that extra kaze that I bought, in the bottom of the case, pointed sideways at the 8800, replacing the 1600rpm scythe that is there right now.
And I don't plan to use the 8800 once I can afford to shell out maybe $300 or so for a 6970, once they become available. So why shouldn't I just go ahead and stress the 8800 a little bit, so I can get maybe 5 more fps out of the thing until I put it on the shelf in favor of my first 6970?
If I destroy it, I'm kinda screwed for a bit - but I'll bet the things can be bought on ebay for under $100 - yeah - I just looked it up: Buy it Now for $95 including shipping, ultra is $120 with shipping.
Overclocking here I come, lol. What do you think?
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27. November 2010 @ 21:33 |
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well stuff like the GTX470 can be OCed quite a bitt and reach 480 speeds, the 480 clcoked and it 580 speeds, the 460 clocked and hit 470 speeds, and the 8800GTX should easily hit ultra speeds.
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27. November 2010 @ 23:08 |
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I don't really see how comparing how the GTX470 overclocks is relevant, or even safe here.
Overclocking 8800 graphics cards is a terribly bad idea.
They suffer considerably from heat, and a long lifetime at high heat will kill them off. Overclocking not only increases that heat, but makes the inevitable stability problems from that heat arrive a lot earlier.
Overclocking a graphics card gives such minor benefits, especially with top-end cards like the 8800GTX that are almost already at their limit [do you realise how little faster the 8800 Ultra was by comparison?] it's a complete waste of time for cards that are going to have their life shortened by doing so.
I strongly recommend Rich stays away from overclocking the 8800GTX. He won't notice the difference from doing so, and it will just damage the card and force him to upgrade. Who knows, maybe that's not a bad thing, but it's not a decision that should be made for him at an inopportune moment like that.
Overclocking the CPU on the other hand is relative child's play and as long as you are careful, it's easy, and safe to do.
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28. November 2010 @ 01:17 |
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For the most part I agree with sam about OC'ing the 8800 gpus. I ran my 8800GTS OC'd for a long and while it didn't kill it (still working today) the only thing that noticeably increased was the fan speed and heat. In the end the only benefit I got from OCing it was a few extra 3dmark points and maybe a max of 5fps extra in some rare cases. From that experience I've developed the view point that OCing gpus just isn't worth it. I could be wrong, but I'll probably never OC a gpu again.
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harvrdguy
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28. November 2010 @ 01:24 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
well stuff like the GTX470 can be OCed quite a bitt and reach 480 speeds, the 480 clcoked and it 580 speeds, the 460 clocked and hit 470 speeds, and the 8800GTX should easily hit ultra speeds.
Yeah, good point. Well, I didn't look up what ultra speeds are, but using the deep freeze portion of the 3dmark6 test, at full 2560x1600 and 4xaa, I achieved some overclocking that seems stable:
from 575 core clock to 621, from 1404 shader to 1514, and from 900 memory to 1008.
That gave me a modest 2.5% increase in my 3dmark6 score, from 13654, to 13948. Not much, but maybe I'll get 1 fps more on some of those new games this coming weekend.
(I tried another more aggressive setting - boosting the core clock up to the next level, 648, shader clocks to about 1600, and memory to about 1100, and crashed several times. So I dropped everything back down, but left the core at 648, and it ran stable, but then I saw a few artifacts, so I dropped the core back to 621. It wasn't a question of temperature of the core, since my office is pretty cold right now, and the card never got above 76 C. So I guess I wouldn't be able to do much better, even with an after-market cooler.)
I'll leave it at this for now, and if I have problems I'll drop back to stock clocks, and just wait for the 6970.
EDIT: Somehow I missed Sam's and Red's posts when I answered Shaff above. You guys are right - I'm barely getting any increase in performance.
However, on my VF1000-cooled 3850, I was able to overclock that thing about 15% as I recall, and it made a difference in performance about twice as much as I'm getting from this 8800. On the 3850 I went from 668/828 standard clocks, to 762/954 (best I had been able to do prior with stock cooling had been around 726) and my 3dmark6 went from 4822, to 5111, almost 6% improvement.
So given the almost insignificant gain - I'll see how it runs this coming weekend, and maybe drop back to stock clocks if I have any trouble or see any overheating. I have the On Screen Display letting me know what kind of temps I am getting - and LA weather has taken a huge turn toward lower temps - so I'll probably be good until the new card.
I take note on what Sam said about overclocking the cpu - still, since the graphics card at this time is the bottleneck, I guess I'll be in no hurry to start working on that.
Rich
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28. November 2010 @ 01:27 |
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Exactly, that's a large overclock, and it's got you 2%, which you will never notice.
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28. November 2010 @ 01:47 |
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Chrissake! I was running furmark while posting - the 8800 is 95 degrees and it's pretty cool in here.
BACK TO STOCK CLOCKS, LOL!!
EDIT: Furmark now steady at 91 degrees. No more overclocking this 8800.
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28. November 2010 @ 01:56 |
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To be fair, furmark pulls those sort of temps at stock clocks anyway on most cards. My 4870X2s typically run about 98-99 in furmark I think.
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28. November 2010 @ 02:11 |
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Well, yes, I know furmark really pours on the stress.
Same on this card - in the hotter weather, I was geting 99 from the 8800.
But prior to that run of hot weather that we had, in more moderate weather, when I first put the 1600 rpm scythe on the bottom of the case, pointed at the card (mimicking a side intake fan) the furmark temps dropped about 9 degrees and were pretty steady at 90.
And a while ago, it WAS pretty cool in here - this trailer is all windows and it's about 11:00 at night - probably 50 degrees outside. Except that now I can feel, the run of 95 degrees from the overclocked 8800 has noticeably warmed things up nicely!
Anyway, it's back to stock clocks, and furmark is now oscillating back and forth between 92 and 91, so I like that better than 95 of a few minutes ago!
I guess I'll start thinking about overclocking the q9450 - the first step is reading on how to back up the bios.
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28. November 2010 @ 05:15 |
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Remember with the Nvidia cards have sensors that lie. so that 90 degrees is more like 100~115.
the GTX Series Overclock very well. I've gotten a 5%(6~10FPS) percent boost in performance in games like BC:2 using the GTX-460, with a about 10 degrees increase in heat.
6FPS might not seem much, but it helps keep you above 30FPS in bleeding edge games.
the highest clock I've achieved is 910MHz 1840MHz Shader, its Stable in Benchmarks But for gaming its no good i believe the voltages aren't high enough to sustain it.
at that clock if i could sustain it would net me a a good 15~20 FPS.
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28. November 2010 @ 13:36 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
To be fair, furmark pulls those sort of temps at stock clocks anyway on most cards. My 4870X2s typically run about 98-99 in furmark I think.
Blazes of hell... :P
I'll never feel as comfortable as you guys with those redonkulous temps!
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28. November 2010 @ 13:37 |
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redonculous???
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are you a redneck?(asking in a southern drawl)
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28. November 2010 @ 14:23 |
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Nope. It's just a silly term I've come to use at times :p
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28. November 2010 @ 20:15 |
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"Redonculous" GREAT word, Kevin. Instead of the good old days when shaff took all of the heat, now ddp will be checking everybody's credentials to see who gets the most attentulousness!
hahahaha
I think I like DXR's attitude about things:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Remember with the Nvidia cards have sensors that lie. so that 90 degrees is more like 100~115.
the GTX Series Overclock very well. I've gotten a 5%(6~10FPS) percent boost in performance in games like BC:2 using the GTX-460, with a about 10 degrees increase in heat.
6FPS might not seem much, but it helps keep you above 30FPS in bleeding edge games.
the highest clock I've achieved is 910MHz 1840MHz Shader, its Stable in Benchmarks But for gaming its no good i believe the voltages aren't high enough to sustain it.
at that clock if i could sustain it would net me a a good 15~20 FPS.
Hmmmm! Well, maybe I'll play with those two overclocks I was trying. You're right - in bleeding edge games a couple of fps can mean smooth, or not!! (Although when you remind me that nvidia lies about temps and I'm probably really running over boiling point - THAT scares the cr*p out of me! hahaha)
Hey guys, I have a crazy confession! You know how I've been raving about how friggin gorgeous WaW is - blaming it all on the nvidia gamma wizard! MOST BEAUTIFUL GRAPHICS EVER! blah blah blah
Well, I discovered something by fooling with the Rivatuner low level driver tweaks, trying to overclock the 8800GTX. There's a rivatuner setting for Color that I stumbled on by accident, looking to see what the other things did, AND IT WAS ALREADY TURNED ON!!!
Look at the bottom setting - this is how I found it. One setting was on max - THE DIGITAL VIBRANCE SETTING!! hahahahaha
I swear I never touched that setting, and I never enabled it. So I don't know how the box got checked to enable it on windows startup, and I don't know how the bottom setting, digital vibrance, got turned ALL THE WAY UP!
That's probably one more strange thing this motherboard has done on me, since it recently dropped my front speakers forcing me to reload the sound chipset drivers. Now I test my speakers before I start gaming. (But I admit I love this crazy motherboard - if not for acting up like that from time to time - I wouldn't have the use of this computer right now, lol.)
Anyway, I think I like this thing - DIGITAL VIBRANCE.
I noticed a week or so ago that my logon user photo for windows - the same one for my berkeley steam profile - looked unusually red-haired, as Sam described it. It seemed like it hadn't been that bright before - but now I'm wondering if some of the color saturation that results when you have the thing turned up, was why I loved the look of World at War so much. Maybe it wasn't the nvidia gamma wizard at all - maybe it was just the little rivatuner software. If so, I'm gonna be looking for something like that when I get the 6970.
I'm playing with it right now on the beginning of MW2, at the compound where the two dudes are playing basketball. A change in digital vibrance takes effect immediately when you move the rivatuner lever. It saturates the hell out of the colors.
I can't actually bring the saturated picture in, and compare to the unsaturated, because the screen shot in Word, or wherever I place it, changes according to the color vibrance setting. So all I can do is go to my photo editor, and try to simulate the change, by adjusting contrast and brightness, then adding in a lot of red.
Have you ever been outside during the sunset, when there are a lot of clouds in the sky, and the red color is everywhere? That's what it does to the scene at max. I tried it, alt-tabbing out of the game, changing the slider, going back in. The effect is amazing!!!
The game looks gorgeous even with the effect turned off. But a red ice chest goes from pale red, to glowing red, depending on the position of the lever. Has anyone ever heard of digital vibrance before?
Now remember, before you say, "that looks terrible" THIS IS JUST A SIMULATION! The colors look WAYYY better than this, and the effect isn't just to jazz up red, or course, it's to add more vibrance - whatever the hell that means!!
Is anybody else familiar with this?
Sam - does Catalyst Control Center offer something similar to this so I can spice up the saturation on my gaming colors when I replace the 800GTX with the 6970?
Rich
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28. November 2010 @ 20:30 |
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not me as i'm always innocent on these matters!!!
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28. November 2010 @ 22:10 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
not me as i'm always innocent on these matters!!!
I knew it - he'd say he was innocent once again!! What did I tell you!!
I'm playing with the setting also on Dragon Rising. I think overall I like it about half way - medium. The games look okay with the effect turned off - but the colors get richer and to my eye more enjoyable when the effect is turned on about half way. That's probably what I was noticing with World at War - I'll have to go into that game again, and then mess with this new vibrance thing I've found, and see if that was what was getting me all excited.
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28. November 2010 @ 22:14 |
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nothing!!!!!
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harvrdguy
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28. November 2010 @ 23:19 |
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Here are a couple more pictures on this digital vibrance issue.
Here is a fuzzy low res picture showing mountains, and then a lily pad.
And here's a higher res closeup of the lily pads.
Apparently digital vibrance was something that nvidia pushed for a while, and then a few years ago, the ati guys said they had a match for it called color radiance, but that seemed to have disappeared.
However I am reading around that ati colors have always been a little more saturated to start with, and that avivo color settings (that post of Sam's a week or so ago) should allow increasing the saturation, as desired, to match digital vibrance.
I hope so, because I like the deeper brighter colors a lot!!!
Rich
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29. November 2010 @ 02:20 |
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I'm going to try and swap my 5850 with a 4890 in an attempt to isolate a problem, am I correct in assuming there shouldn't be any issues with the drivers?
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