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13. August 2009 @ 00:45 |
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So...essentially, i7 or Core 2 extreme QX9775 is hands down the most cutting edge processor on the market. However...Phenom II is not far behind in computational power, and only costs a small percentage of those intel counterparts. I guess if you want the best, you have to pay for the best. You pay dearly LOL!
1000$ hmmm...I would think at that price it would clean the dishes, and mow the yard too LOL!
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13. August 2009 @ 00:49 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
So...essentially, i7 or Core 2 extreme QX9775 is hands down the most cutting edge processor on the market. However...Phenom II is not far behind in computational power, and only costs a small percentage of those intel counterparts. I guess if you want the best, you have to pay for the best. You pay dearly LOL!
Oman,
Trust me! You better sit down when you look at my next post!
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13. August 2009 @ 00:55 |
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13. August 2009 @ 02:09 |
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Sophocles is always kidding me about my inventing some sort of Fusion! Now I'm beginning to wonder!
I have no idea of what I did or how I did it, but I've made the screen shots direct because they are full size so everyone can see there's nothing funny going on here. Oman 7 couldn't make it look that good with Photoshop, and he's got amazing talent! I just got done watching the copy! Strange Flic! I wish I had thought to take a pic of the CCE screen. Speed was from the high 20s to the low 22s with CCE! I've never heard of speeds that high before!
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I sort of went Ho-Hum with this one as the time was reasonable! Then the Encode started! It flat chewed up the files It was actually mesmerizing to watch!
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Bout snapped my neck when it finished encoding! I was totally stunned!
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I went and checked all of my settings in the bios and software, and I didn't see anything that looked wrong or even extreme. The killer to all of this is it's running at a stock 2.7GHz. I confirmed what I already knew, that My particular CPU is limited to 3.2GHz. Even that is touchy, as you have to get everything just right. I've tested mine on a number of other motherboards, including the $200 Asus, and while my friends could get it to boot into windows at 3.3GHz, it would reset the computer, right in the middle of an encode!. His 3.7GHz Athlon x2 7750, easily hits 3.6 on this board. Whatever caused it, I'm not touching a thing until I see some more results and figure it out. I still don't really believe it, but the clock on the wall does! I was guessing about 20-22 minutes when it was about half way finished encoding. The real results are mind boggling!
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13. August 2009 @ 02:22 |
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Haha hyper transport wins again. It's all that rocking Phenom style memory bandwidth :D
Don't get me wrong, Intel is faster period. But for some things AMD's architecture has always been better. Athlon 64 X2s matched early Core 2s quite well in some stuff. Few and far between though XD
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13. August 2009 @ 02:27 |
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Not bad. But I see you weren't encoding menus, or extras. Just the main title. Looks like it wouldn't need much compression. I usually back it all up, and average between 25 - 35 minutes. 35 minutes being fairly heavy compression.
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13. August 2009 @ 04:20 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Not bad. But I see you weren't encoding menus, or extras. Just the main title. Looks like it wouldn't need much compression. I usually back it all up, and average between 25 - 35 minutes. 35 minutes being fairly heavy compression.
The file was 6.883GB! Many high 20 to mid 30 thousand frame VOBs. It was so astonishing and exciting to watch that I had to do it over again, because I stopped the Rebuilder process a number of times on the first try, shutting down the program an took over 18 minutes, even though I told it to S#i7 can the files! When I started back up it still resumed at where I stopped! The one I posted was the second. I wrote done the start time with the second one, and took a picture of each completion, so the times all fit! Like I said, the clock on the wall agrees!
Russ
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13. August 2009 @ 04:23 |
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according to the screenshot, its not even 6gb. Thats why I say...
I don't mean to rain on your parade buddy. :(
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13. August 2009 @ 07:18 |
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Shaff: They compared an i7 to AMDs. Enough said to be honest. It's been fact for a long time that i7s aren't especially great for games compared to other things. I also like how they clocked the AMD CPU to the max and the i7 to an extent which basically requires no settings changes...
I'm not really sure what direction this forum is taking. We're proving that basic AMD CPUs cost less than intel's extreme edition processors - congrats. Lets not forget that when overclocked to the max the 955BE is just ahead of the i7 975 at stock, which can itself be overclocked a further 30-40%, then consider that the i7 CPU isn't designed to be awesome at games. This is basically like saying how a $200 HD4890 beats a $2000 QuadroFX in games.
Omega: Lol, it's 6168 Megabytes decimal, but Russ just made a typo, he said 6.883 not 5.883.
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13. August 2009 @ 08:40 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Shaff: They compared an i7 to AMDs. Enough said to be honest. It's been fact for a long time that i7s aren't especially great for games compared to other things. I also like how they clocked the AMD CPU to the max and the i7 to an extent which basically requires no settings changes...
I'm not really sure what direction this forum is taking. We're proving that basic AMD CPUs cost less than intel's extreme edition processors - congrats. Lets not forget that when overclocked to the max the 955BE is just ahead of the i7 975 at stock, which can itself be overclocked a further 30-40%, then consider that the i7 CPU isn't designed to be awesome at games. This is basically like saying how a $200 HD4890 beats a $2000 QuadroFX in games.
Omega: Lol, it's 6168 Megabytes decimal, but Russ just made a typo, he said 6.883 not 5.883.
Shaff,
OK! Let me put it the way it is written! 5,883MB! Sorry about the typo. You need to look at the article again they didn't OC anything to the max and compete against the I7 at stock speeds. They gave examples at stock speeds and overclocked. I just wish they would think ahead and use the same colors for each CPU It's a little hard to keep up with the constant changing. You have to pay attention to which ones are the OC and which aren't!
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Russ
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13. August 2009 @ 09:19 |
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Surely higher speed in a different colour to stock is easier to read?
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13. August 2009 @ 09:27 |
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russ thats sams quote...... LOL
the thing is, if you get oen of the cheapest (MSI X58 pro) and a i920 and 6GB of DDR3 1333/1600
vs a 955 with 4GB of DDR3 1333/1600 and their same priced board, that extra money saved can go to a better GPU which will out do the i7, even at 4GHz.
the article is flawed though, they should have chosen the cheapest i7 set up and clock it to 4ghz, which any tom, sick and harry can do, and then let battle commense.
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13. August 2009 @ 10:35 |
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And the i7 would bend the 955BE over a table.... hence the problem with that article. if they're moaning about price, use a Q9550 instead.
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13. August 2009 @ 11:16 |
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well if they have the same budget, one for i7 and one for amd for gaming, the amd would win as its a cheaper core build and then you can increace the GPU, which is the most effective in games.
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13. August 2009 @ 11:58 |
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because on price, standard retail CPUs are better value than extreme CPUs - that's been the case for what, 30 years?
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13. August 2009 @ 12:36 |
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im saying, if one has £700 or £1000 im sure if you go for a 920 and cheapest x58 itll still cost more than a top amd setup, in which im sure the amd's setup would have a more powerfull gpu, which is more effective at games.
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13. August 2009 @ 12:40 |
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I would go for the i7 920 of that system because I'd overclock it and it would be awesome. To the casual builder, I would advocate neither, I'd advise a Q9550 and P43 board.
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13. August 2009 @ 13:16 |
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well same i prefer overclocking, but for games, the amd would be better, no?
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13. August 2009 @ 14:03 |
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13. August 2009 @ 14:31 |
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not by much, about the only game there's a difference in is Far Cry 2, and even then it's not by much.
i5 750 looks quite attractive, but IIRC, that's the entry level model.
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13. August 2009 @ 15:11 |
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why wouldnt the amd setup for the same price be better for games? it will have amuch better GPU.
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13. August 2009 @ 18:13 |
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Well, that depends whether the card you had with the i7 was sufficient or not. if you don't need the extra GPU power, you may as well save the money.
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13. August 2009 @ 18:42 |
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liek u have a budget and to fit in an i7 u have to get a 4890 but with the AMD you can get a 4870x2, IMO id take the AMD and x2 over an i7 if theyr both come to the same buget
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13. August 2009 @ 20:35 |
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As I said before, for that money I'd build a q9550 and a 4870x2 over an i7 920 and a 4890. I only generally spec i7s for systems that a 4870x2 would already fit with in budget.
Problem is, the 4870X2 is discontinued and has no replacement. Not sure if this is to promote the sale of 4890s instead, but it's not very welcome, people will be forced into spending an extra £100 to buy GTX295s. The rarity of 4870X2s now is causing some prices on ebay to be over £400. They're becoming collectors' items.
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13. August 2009 @ 22:42 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
russ thats sams quote...... LOL
the thing is, if you get oen of the cheapest (MSI X58 pro) and a i920 and 6GB of DDR3 1333/1600
vs a 955 with 4GB of DDR3 1333/1600 and their same priced board, that extra money saved can go to a better GPU which will out do the i7, even at 4GHz.
the article is flawed though, they should have chosen the cheapest i7 set up and clock it to 4ghz, which any tom, sick and harry can do, and then let battle commense.
Shaff,
But the article wasn't about the i7s, it was about the x3 720BE and x4 810 and their comparisons to other AMD's as well as the Intels it would compete against. Flawed would have been if they had unlocked the 4th core of the 720BE and then compared it the same way, like it was still a triple. A number of reviews I read, did just that. It's an unfair comparison because about 20% or so, won't be able the activate the 4th core of the 720.
BTW, I was able to unlock the other two cores on my 7750BE with the 790X-UD4P, and it will boot into windows. After about 2 or 3 minutes you can't open or close any windows. The mouse will move for about 20-30 seconds and then it all freezes! About 20 seconds later the computer makes a loud solid beep and you have to reboot! It's not the warning beeps from the temperature monitors either, because mine are shut off! Just a single continuous loud beep! Heat isn't the issue at all, it's something in the electronics of the chip. Quite fast while it runs though! Oh! Before I forget!
sam,
The reason you were wondering about with Intel not having any triples? The Core 2 Duos are two dual cores on one chip, while the triples were native quad cores from the start. The C2Ds cache memory management would have to be changed in order for Intel,s quads to work effectively as triple or duals, while the AMD's triple's and dual's cache management works the same whether it's a Quad, Triple or a Dual! It automatically delegates all the available on chip cache to the working cores. Since no calls for cache memory come from the disabled cores, all the cache memory belongs to the remaining working cores, and is managed accordingly. Judging by what I know about the now almost 4 year old plans for a triple, AMD may have planned it as a cost saving thing right from the start. Perhaps I heard wrong back when I first posted about a coming triple. Perhaps what they were discussing was the Cache Managment, rather than managing two cores with a third. Looking back, it looks an awful lot like that's what they were discussing! Hey, it's not easy to hear on a moving train full of people! LOL!! Especially when you are pretending to be asleep! ROFL! Still, I gave AD a present of a World Exclusive by a good 4-5 months that's turned out to be far more meaningful today than it was almost 4 years ago!
I don't know if you can individually tune or even shut off any of the cores on an Intel, but you can on the AMD Quads. I have to admit I wondered why you would ever turn off one or two perfectly good cores? Then I remembered something someone here said about some games and other applications favoring Dual Cores, and now it starts to make sense to me. Make a two core Profile and save it for games and apps that favor dual cores. I would imagine it would work quite well that way with a Phenom II 955BE or a 940BE. Tailoring various profiles and being able to call them up at random, to suit the needs seems pretty cool to me!
The only thing I can't seem to understand is why only the 940BE and the 720BE have better memory performance than all the other Phenom IIs? The 720 is just over 1000MB/s at reads compared to the 920, and almost 3000MB/s better at writes! Here's the whole article!
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom...be-review-am3/1
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