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Not all Memorex suck / Questions for you / etc
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21. December 2005 @ 12:48 |
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Is that MID code from a spindle of Memorex +16x?
How much $ ?
Prodiscs aren't exactly good quality media. It's up there with cmags/AML/and moser bauer.
I wouldn't burn them very fast,and I'd keep the backup target at 4300 mbs.I also wouldn't put anything important on them. Some stand alones do have trouble with the lower quality media.
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21. December 2005 @ 16:50 |
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They are Fujifilm. Got at BJ'S ON 3-DAY SALE. 50 PACK 19.99 WITH 10.00 INSTANT REBATE+++ 5.00 MAIL-IN REBATE. Bought 10 packs needless to say. Only thing is they won't burn any faster than 4x even though they say 16x.I usally use HP 8X and don't have any problems. I use IOMAGIC 12X DUAL FORMAT BURNER with updated firmware. Also on the fuji discs I only got away with 2 mail in rebates but hey, still think I got a deal.
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mousejean
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21. December 2005 @ 16:54 |
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also surprisingly they work without a problem in both my standalones and have good picture quality.
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22. December 2005 @ 03:11 |
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Those fuji +16x's are made in taiwan,by prodisc. This is newer media,so I haven't heard too many posts about it.
Those are probably the same as the fuji's on sale at bestbuy this week-all made in taiwan. These are the spindles of 100,for $29.99.
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jalaneme
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24. December 2005 @ 22:49 |
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do NOT buy fujifilm! they are absolute junk, you can see lines all over all the DVD R's in the light and i had to burn at least 6 coasters untill i got a perfect burn, most of the time i got loads of blotches where the DVD R did not burn properly. dont buy these peices of junk! i am changing back to maxwell soon! maxwell are the real true A* media.
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10. January 2006 @ 13:43 |
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How long does it usually take for memorex disk to break down? IE how many "plays"?
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10. January 2006 @ 14:31 |
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do NOT buy fujifilm! they are absolute junk
This just simply is not 100% true!!
If you buy the made in Taiwan FujiFilm discs which are made by ProDisc ... now these are junk
However ... if you bother to look through the stacks to find the made in Japan gems ... these babies are top notch Taiyo Yuden made discs .. you just can't buy anything better
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How long does it usually take for memorex disk to break down? IE how many "plays"?
It sometimes takes as many as one play to break down a Memorex disc ...
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10. January 2006 @ 15:22 |
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the disc ID was definitely not Taiyo Yuden the Disc ID for my DVD+R media is R03 02. i get perfect burns now becasue i updated my firmware for my drive, no more 6 coasters to get 1 clean disc.
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15. January 2006 @ 22:23 |
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The thing about total crap media is very often it will work FINE at first, but 6-12 mos down the road it will deteriorate. Now, u can run your mouth about how it burned OK. Fine by me... but when you lose your data less than a yr, maybe a bit longer, then who will be crying THEN? I use quality media that professional musicians, data archivers & that has a reputation for quality. That is Taiyo Yuden. If you are worried about fake media, I recommend clicking here: http://www.supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-how-to-tell-fake-or-re...
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16. January 2006 @ 05:14 |
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if you want media from walmart definitely get the Made in japan Sony media. 50 pack for it think 24.00 or go to www.supermediastore.com
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16. January 2006 @ 09:18 |
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You can also buy Maxell and Verbatim from WalMart ... both are very acceptable
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7. February 2006 @ 03:03 |
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The complaints in this string appear to be little more than amateur slander. No one has listed a single quality criterion (dye comet, radial tilt, sputter contamination, etc.) that would make CMC discs any worse than any others. "They don't work; so they're no good." In fact, all the symptoms described indicate the problem is firmware incompatibility. Japanese media work best with Japanese drives because the drives are tuned for "local" discs. Only later do many of those drives include Taiwanese produced discs. (Many of the Japanese brands are actually produced in Taiwan by CMC and others because their equipment is newer and production costs are lower.) Some drive manufacturers are painfully slow to offer updates. Toshiba, Plextor, and Sony are among the slowest. Others such as NEC and earlier Pioneer models, were much faster. Lite-On and BenQ, of course, are often much better in their support of their own "local" producers. If almost every disc in a spindle fails to work, the cause is most likely incompatibility. It has nothing to do with the quality of the drive or the medium--they simply do not understand each other until instructions are written in the firmware table that describe laser power and pulse patterns. Ragging on Imation or Memorex quality is ignorance of the basic operating parameters of optical recording. A famous example of limited compatibility was Wal-Mart's selling of an Emerson VHS/DVD recorder made by Funai that could only record on DVD-R discs rated at 4X or slower despite the fact that Wal-Mart had not carried 4X DVD-R discs for the previous four months. Everything was 8X. The Emerson (and the identical "Sharp" model at Best Buy) was obsolete for the 8 months they were being sold. The Japanese response: "Tell the customers to buy our new models" (restricted to 8X while discs were switching to 16X!). That doesn't sound like a disc quality problem to me.
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7. February 2006 @ 05:15 |
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Its so refreshing to see an educated reply to a media question. I am so sick of reading about how Memorex sucks (and not just on this site). Its almost as if people have been brainwashed -by each other no less- to use taiyo yuden/verbatim.
I have used Memorex in the past with a 100% burn rate. No coasters out of 100 discs. A year later the discs that I burned are still working. I didnt incur errors until I changed brands/media likely due to, as you stated, incompatibility.
Its fine to have a certain media that you like (in most cases taiyo yuden) I just wish people would stop preaching it like its the gospel.
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The complaints in this string appear to be little more than amateur slander. No one has listed a single quality criterion (dye comet, radial tilt, sputter contamination, etc.) that would make CMC discs any worse than any others. "They don't work; so they're no good." In fact, all the symptoms described indicate the problem is firmware incompatibility. Japanese media work best with Japanese drives because the drives are tuned for "local" discs. Only later do many of those drives include Taiwanese produced discs. (Many of the Japanese brands are actually produced in Taiwan by CMC and others because their equipment is newer and production costs are lower.) Some drive manufacturers are painfully slow to offer updates. Toshiba, Plextor, and Sony are among the slowest. Others such as NEC and earlier Pioneer models, were much faster. Lite-On and BenQ, of course, are often much better in their support of their own "local" producers. If almost every disc in a spindle fails to work, the cause is most likely incompatibility. It has nothing to do with the quality of the drive or the medium--they simply do not understand each other until instructions are written in the firmware table that describe laser power and pulse patterns. Ragging on Imation or Memorex quality is ignorance of the basic operating parameters of optical recording. A famous example of limited compatibility was Wal-Mart's selling of an Emerson VHS/DVD recorder made by Funai that could only record on DVD-R discs rated at 4X or slower despite the fact that Wal-Mart had not carried 4X DVD-R discs for the previous four months. Everything was 8X. The Emerson (and the identical "Sharp" model at Best Buy) was obsolete for the 8 months they were being sold. The Japanese response: "Tell the customers to buy our new models" (restricted to 8X while discs were switching to 16X!). That doesn't sound like a disc quality problem to me.
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7. February 2006 @ 06:33 |
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I have used Memorex in the past with a 100% burn rate. No coasters out of 100 discs. A year later the discs that I burned are still working. I didnt incur errors until I changed brands/media likely due to, as you stated, incompatibility.
I always treat media like hookers. [ Makes me laugh everytime :) ]
Company "A" has 100% clean girls.
Company "B" has 75% changes of getting aids.
Which company would you pick ?
Maybe you got lucky, and burned slow.
My 2 cents on the matter...
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7. February 2006 @ 14:32 |
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Quality burners like all 3 of my benqs will burn everything you slap in them. Cmags/aml/and moser bauer are among the lowest quality media that I have fed them. Not a single coaster and they played perfect on all 3 of my pcs and my new el cheapo stand alone. But when those backups are played on older stand alones and some very picky ps2 consoles with wear and tear on them,that is where the quality of my media really shows up.
My scans also show how those little errors are magnefied on my lower quality backups. I do show a lot more errors for those lower quality brands than my Hitachi maxells/tys/and Verbatim. If may not be enough to show up on playback,but if you need to re-rip those lower quality backups in the future-good luck on not getting any crc errors. Also try to re-rip them on the fly!
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Japanese media work best with Japanese drives
I can't name a dvd burner that is made in japan. China makes just about all of them. Stand alones,I know korea and china makes a ton of them. I don't think I'd buy any media made in either china or korea.
cougar_ii: I'll take "A"
What really gets my goat with memosux:
The price of them. All the ads throughout local stores,they run about 30 cents each.Their sales usually 50 packs for $15 or 25 pack spindles for $8
I got Mitsubishi verbatims last week for $15 for 50 pack spindles.
I got Sony Yuden000-T02 at staples before that for $12 a 50 pack.
I got Fuji Yuden000-T02 at staples for $8.94 a 30 pack.
I got Office Depot ritek-r03 for 20 cents each in another sale.
I can't recall the last time I paid over 30 cents each for regular/non printable single layer dvd media.
You peeps can keep your memosux,I'll stick with the better stuff for a cheaper price! I have less to worry about,later on down the road.
My 2 cents!
BTW: I've got a wal-mart cyberhome +4x tv recorder and she loves verbatim +8x MCC-003 media. The specs says 4x only blank plus format media which is a bunch of crap.This drive definetely hates the memosux cmags. I noticed media quality differences way before I started burning dvds on the pc.
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7. February 2006 @ 15:52 |
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The problem with your little scenario is that Company "A" doesnt exsist. I will go out on a limb here and say your "company a" was supposed to be taiyo yuden, well if you read enough boards you will see that people have gotten bad batches of these as well. So like I said, company a doesnt exsist. And I hate when people have a good report on memorex and people will find someway to discredit it.
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I always treat media like hookers. [ Makes me laugh everytime :) ]
Company "A" has 100% clean girls.
Company "B" has 75% changes of getting aids.
Which company would you pick ?
Maybe you got lucky, and burned slow.
My 2 cents on the matter...
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7. February 2006 @ 19:07 |
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To each their own opinion, God bless free speech, but in my humble opinion after burning about 100 Memosux, over 500 Ritek, 300 TY, and 25 Verbatim, I'll stick with the Ritek, TY and Verbatim, All of my Memosux have deteriorated after 6 months to a year, will not play on any of 7 standalone DVD players I have access to, and most have been recopied onto better media. If you have good luck with CMC MAG and Longten 001 disks and RICOH JPN, yours did better than mine, quality scores of zero and single digits respectively.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/262544
These have been recorded on Sony, Lite-on, and BenQ burners, so this gives a pretty good cross sampling of what is out there.
But each is entitled to his/her own opinion of what works best, so be it.
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7. February 2006 @ 19:12 |
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Hell again,
If you like Memorex, please do, buy them all, to make sure I never buy any :)
Like someone said above, to each his own.
Thanks for sharing your opinion, this is mine :)
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7. February 2006 @ 19:16 |
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brainwashing, it can do wonders.
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8. February 2006 @ 03:16 |
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Gonna wash that Memosux outta my Brain
Ahh, the things I wish I could wash outta my memory...
(Matrix, Longten, CMC Mags....)
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8. February 2006 @ 06:01 |
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brainwashing, it can do wonders.
Shhhhuuuuuushhhhhh, my wife will hear it :)
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10. February 2006 @ 11:50 |
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brainwashing, it can do wonders.
Just curious, but are you speaking from the receiving end experience?
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11. February 2006 @ 09:34 |
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NEC, Toshiba, and Plextor drives are chiefly Japanese products. Sony is built by either BenQ or Lite-On, depending on whether or not the system is a separate drive or a VAIO computer. LG/Hitachi is designed in Japan, built in Korea. The firmware for each and every one of these drives comes from Japan. Now that NEC, Sony, and Lite-On are cooperating on designing and building drives, compatibility will increase for non-Japanese media.
As for humble opinions, that may be the best adjective. Unless one is using CD CATS or Expert equipment, one cannot judge the quality of a disc. A "scan" on a disc after it is recorded depends on the recording drive, its compatibility with the medium, the quality of the disc, the software used, the integrity of the data files, the quality of the reading drive, and the accuracy of the commands given by that reading drive. Relying on the results of such scans is as reliable as...reading humble opinions in these forum.
Quality is not a matter of opinion. There are nearly a hundred specifications for discs. If the media do not meet them consistently, then there is a quality issue either with comliance or with consistency. The fact that a disc does not record well or play back properly involves so many more variables than the medium that it is nearly impossible to condemn it unless one can actually define the cause by analyzing the specifications. That requires some knowledge and calibrated equipment.
As for CMC, it may surprise many to know that CMC makes a good many Verbatim, Maxell, and TDK discs on the same lines as they make their own. The difference is the stamper and the MID codes and sometimes the dye--nothing else. The complaints in this thread all seem to relate to issues of compatibility, not to any specified flaw such as radial runout or tangential tilt or reflectance. Those who have had good luck with CMC, Prodisc, or Memorex discs have drives that are compatible with them; those who have had problems have drives that are incompatible or not compatible enough. Taiyo Yuden makes excellent discs that are always included in firmware tables, and Verbatim (MCC = Mitsubishi Chemical Corp) is also in the same league. If Ritek, Prodisc, or CMC used those MID codes and tuned the dyes to their specifications (as CMC does for Verbatim), you could not tell the difference. There are some poor quality factories making discs, but Ritek, Prodisc, and CMC are not among them.
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11. February 2006 @ 19:47 |
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As for CMC, it may surprise many to know that CMC makes a good many Verbatim, Maxell, and TDK discs on the same lines as they make their own. The difference is the stamper and the MID codes and sometimes the dye--nothing else.
This may be true but they are producing them at verbatim's, and maxell's, specs and with their dye eg. advanced azo dye for verbatims. You could say cmc's tools and verbatims blueprints and materials.
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If Ritek, Prodisc, or CMC used those MID codes and tuned the dyes to their specifications (as CMC does for Verbatim), you could not tell the difference. There are some poor quality factories making discs, but Ritek, Prodisc, and CMC are not among them.
If this is a true statement then why do my discs coded as cmc mag or prodisc play ok right after they are burned but after 6 months time will not play without freezing, pausing, or pixelating if they will play at all. All my verbatim's (MCC003) still play perfect a year or longer after they were burned.
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11. February 2006 @ 21:44 |
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Quality is not a matter of opinion. There are nearly a hundred specifications for discs. If the media do not meet them consistently, then there is a quality issue either with comliance or with consistency. The fact that a disc does not record well or play back properly involves so many more variables than the medium that it is nearly impossible to condemn it unless one can actually define the cause by analyzing the specifications. That requires some knowledge and calibrated equipment.
Fine reading words Joe, but you're merely backing up the anti Memorex faction....Consistency of manufacture, requires extensive testing, allied with tight quality control...(We all agree with that.) Memorex outsource their product.........Still sell it as Memorex,, and the poor customer become a punter! .ie. They take their chance's on what they get!
When I buy a product Ritek, Verbatim, TY ect ect; and put it in my (little known, made in Japan) burner.
I want to know what I'm paying for, simple as that!
Unfortunately the companies being slated; by this, and other forums,
they have been guilty of using cheap/shoddy supplies, whilst selling at high prices' under their own, once reputable labels.
The veracity of this, and other forums, (I'd like to believe) has affected their sales.
And the major Taiwan disc producers are even now forming an alliance, in order to reduce production costs'??? (They say)
I think it more likely an attempt to snatch back some tattered reputations.
So in keeping with this threads title; I agree, Not all Memorex suck.
But I ain't gonna buy, and wade through a few spindles of crappo; to find em..:)
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