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JoeRyan
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12. February 2006 @ 11:39 |
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When more than 90% of all optical (royalty paid) discs come from Taiwanese production lines, more than one brand is outsourced. That includes the "trusted" names listed in previous threads. There are only about six different dyes available for DVD recordable discs. Fuji makes one of them--inexpensive but requires more laser power than the others in order to get jitter levels to specification. You'll find this dye in 8X discs but less often in 16X because power requirements are close to the limit for some laser diodes--and diodes lose power as they age. As for those who have discs that no longer work, have you ever thought of sending them back to the supplier to ask what is wrong and why they don't work? You might get some helpful information. All optical discs degrade over time. (This is a claim made for tape; but tape degrades over use, not time, if it is well made.) If the error rate is very low, it takes a long time for a stable dye to reach the point where error correction can no longer fix errors. The amount of time is estimated using Arhennius or Eyring equations--and a stable azo-cyanine (the standard for DVD-R) or cyanine will last 30 years to 70 years. If the initial error rate is very high due to poor quality or a bad burn on a good disc due to firmware incompatibility, then it takes far less time to reach the limit. If a disc fails within a year and the cause is not due to mechanical problems (putting a paper label on a disc, for example) such as tilt or scratches, then the fault is either a bad burn in the first place or an unstable disc. The supplier can tell you which it is by testing it. That would be more reliable information than reading web complaints.
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12. February 2006 @ 21:58 |
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The average person using a burner, for the first time, knows' little of the differing qualities in discs. They buy a know named product and assume, 'all is well'
The companies you seemed determined to sanctify, have sold them... Lets be polite, and say "media of varying standards". lol
You suggest: Take it back to the supplier, and if they're helpful, you
may get a technical answer to the problem.........Does the average newbie know the disc is at fault?
I suggest, and I think I can speak for many: (being polite)Don't buy media of erratic quality in the first place! :)
The web based complaints; your so dismissive of, represent only a tiny fraction of the underlying discontent.
And deriding customer opinion, is a foolish business strategy.
noteI've never complained about the companies, you are so determined to defend; mainly because I joined this site before my 'new PC' with its burners arrived, and found in the early days, I could make coasters, without the help of crap media. :)
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13. February 2006 @ 00:45 |
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brainwashing, it can do wonders.
So thats going to be your standard reply to anyone who doesn't agree with you.. This is a kids game.. Ive seen it done before. Look, i am saying something you dont like: CMC and MEMOREX sux. big time...I know this because CMCs have gone south on me in less than 6 months. I don't have to prove this to you.. You wouldn't believe me either as i must be brainwashed.. Where did i leave that brain soap??
Go ahead.. say something witty and insulting at the same time,, see, i know what you are up to. You want everyone to listen to you and you will dismiss/slam anyone who says something you dont want to hear. What good are you trying to do here? Help ppl? Sure doesn't sound like it to me. Sound more like someone trying to stir up trouble.. Start flame wars,, insult members.. Its ok to have a differing opinion from the majority, but not ok to insult and slam ppl just because their response didn't agree with you..
come on, im waiting for it.. You cant let someone say something contrary to your post and walk away without a slam..
CMC SUX.. and MEMOREX is a cheap HO..
Im not trying to change you to good media, i think you and CMC will make fine bedfellows.. Sleep tight, dont let the CMC bugs bite.. :)
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13. February 2006 @ 15:10 |
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Gringle,
I have tried not to defend any company. I am trying to defend logic and science. No one who has criticized any medium has said anything more than, "So and so sucks" (except the case in which the user found the discs failed within 6 months, but that can still possibly be an incompatibility issue). In most cases the problem is firmware incompatibility, and that impugns the quality of neither the drive nor the disc. One cannot judge the quality of either one in such a case, and any claim that the disc is of poor quality is invalid unless there is some supporting evidence such as a mechanical flaw or damage. It's true the average user does not know why the disc may not work. Average users might resort to websites such as this where they can expect some answers from more experienced users; but if more experienced users do not suggest firmware updates as a possible fix, then this site is not helpful enough. Putting pressure on drive suppliers to include more MID codes in their writing strategy tables will help everyone, including those who know little about their drives, and members of this forum can put that kind of pressure on them. I just don't see how calling discs--or people--nasty names helps anyone.
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13. February 2006 @ 15:55 |
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you can always check the Nero forum and see the countless threads of people's Nero logs of errors.. once all the other problems are resolved.. it turns out that if you switch the media.. it works better.
i myself have an thread in there now for Nero..i havent been able to get to that machine and cant fix it. i am using verbatim dvds, so i know that is not the issue.
and i'm sure doc, and others will chime in with something along those lines. you will get a nice long response from him explaning the reasons that certain media is the issue.
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13. February 2006 @ 16:07 |
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Thats exactly what i was going to say next thelox.. we think alike..
@JoeRyan
@luckEpenE
This is the only science we need. You go over to the Nero forum, and get all the crap media posters to have successful burns using crap media and firmware updates only. No cheating by making them buy new drives.. You do that, and you will earn my respect, and probably that of many others here, and i really mean that. You see its fine to say this crap media works for me. But many ppl reading this might say i saw joeryan or luckepene say Memorex was great, best burnt at 16x and slap a label on it too. Then they come to the Nero forum with their problems.. Thats where you could help. But you will probably be off to another thing by then, and us regulars who tried to discourage this are left to clean up YOUR mess. See where im coming from. If you actually help ppl, ill defend you to the bloody end.. If by following your advice many ppl have failed burns and start spending waay too much money to get their crap media to work, then i will confront you to the end.. Because i and many others are left to clean up this mess. And its much harder to convince them media is a problem if they see you defending it. I dont work for Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden, but i love their product. If you call success brainwashing then my brain is squeaky clean..
Now i think you have the right idea, its just in how you handle controversy where you could use a little mellowing, but dont worry you havent gotten me mad or offended. And i hope you are mature enough to realize i am just dis-agreeing with you. Not trying to attack you or your intelligence, just trying to REASON with you. Thats all.
Die CMC Mag!!!
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13. February 2006 @ 16:31 |
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My two cents worth,
I started out on Memosux media. They burned fine-two years ago. They played fine two years ago on my stand alone players. Now, the very same disks do not play at all on these very same stand alone players, neither of which have had any sort of firmware update. Fact. All of my Ritek G-03 and G-04 disks still play perfectly on these very same stand alone players. Fact, my TYG-001 disks 18 months old still play perfectly on these very same stand alone players. Summation of these observations. Ritek, and TY have withstood the test of time. Memosux media (these code out to CMC MAG, RICOH JPN, and LONGTEN) have failed miserably.
I have tried to copy the Memosux backups from the very same burner I burned them with, unable to read them. My burner has been updated to the latest version available. Brother in Law has the very same burner in a very similar computer system, absolutely no firmware updates applied, same results, unable to read the Memosux disks in question. Summation from this control situation, the only variable is the disks, the only different result is that Ritek passed, TY passed, Memosux failed.
Test data: 11 Memosux disks used of different manufacturers, all over 2 years of age. 25 Ritek disks used all over 2 years old. 8 TY disks over 18 months used. All disks were stored in the same location and temperature and humidity conditions.
CD/DVD RW drives tested for read ability of these disks,
5 units of 4 different manufacturers 100% inability to read Memosux, 100% success of RItek and Ty.
DVD stand alone/mini van units, 9 different units, all different manufacturers, same results.
DVD-recorder unit. (Samsung) same test results. So speaking from a failry concise qualitative test method, no Memosux disk was able to be read/played after a two year period. All Ritek and TY disks were able to be played/read. Therefore in my humble opinion I will no longer use any Memosux disk to back up a DVD, nor will I use a Memosux disk to burn a home video to DVD, nor will I back up any old VHS video onto a Memosux DVD. Now down here in the south we have a simple approach to logic, if 5 out of 5 people report excruciating pain from having a red hot piece of iron rod shoved up the terminal end of one's digestive tract,Then dammned sure there won't be a sixth fool stupid enough to volunteer. But, if you want to be #6, then please fill us all in on your experience when and if you can haul your carcass out of an ice filled washtub.
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13. February 2006 @ 17:33 |
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Die CMC Mag!!!
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13. February 2006 @ 18:22 |
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Not just the inkjet printables, also the non printables Ridata DVD-R 8X G05's. I have some that are just making pretty red squares all the way across. Also never saw a Nero CD/DVD scan go straight to zero before.
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13. February 2006 @ 18:29 |
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you can always check the Nero forum and see the countless threads of people's Nero logs of errors.. once all the other problems are resolved.. it turns out that if you switch the media.. it works better.
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(except the case in which the user found the discs failed within 6 months, but that can still possibly be an incompatibility issue).
Since we all agree incompatibility may be a factor in the discs' failure to burn correctly. {Logic} :)
How can you guys defend a company that, sells under its own, once reputable name, the produce from several different inferior manufactures?? illogical :(
When I read of the proposed merger between the major Taiwanese disc manufactures, with discs' at the lower end of the market 8x and below.
I installed Pioneers latest offering, and when my stock of G05s runs out.. They'll be replaced with Verb's or TYs.
Put simply... It's my money, and I'll buy what I want, not what 'they' want to sell me..
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This is the only science we need. You go over to the Nero forum, and get all the crap media posters to have successful burns using crap media and firmware updates only. No cheating by making them buy new drives.. You do that, and you will earn my respect, and probably that of many others here, and i really mean that. You see its fine to say this crap media works for me. But many ppl reading this might say i saw joeryan or luckepene say Memorex was great, best burnt at 16x and slap a label on it too. Then they come to the Nero forum with their problems.. Thats where you could help.
- well said. i may not live in the Nero forum these days but i've replied to bloody 1000s (no exageration even though i've spelt it incorrectly) of logfiles, a huge proportion of which have been resolved by ditching the low quality/or landfill/or questionable quality media. It's really that simple, attack a logfile and see what falls out the bottom. Like i've said countless times, often times it's the bad/subpar media that's sat there looking sheepish once all the logfile tweaks have been done.
And as i've said countless times before, i used 500 FAKE TY-coded disks (the dreaded Bulkpaq 8x Orange) before i had problems, i wised up and switched media (on the exact same burner/setup/etc) and didn't have problems for a few 1000 discs (then the burner most definitely died on me so i know what the culprit was in case any doubting Thomases think i'm making it up). So with 1000s of other ppl's burning woes, and my own, i always recommend staying away from suspect media that only works for some ppl, funnily enough those are usually the ppl that staunchly defend this type of media, whereas the rest of us don't staunchly push decent media. Funny that.
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14. February 2006 @ 11:51 |
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Nicely put creaky:
'Spose we have all been a victim: of the hype and the 'rep of' things' that didn't do what, they said,,,,,,,,,, what they said, we're supposed, to do? and if it goes wrong...........it's "our fault"
'Tis a bit like telling folk, they can't wear hob-nailed boots, to win a hundred metres race, and an Olympic gold.
then along comes some fool who says yer can
keep pushing the barrow.......?? barra M8.
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JoeRyan
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15. February 2006 @ 04:37 |
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I don't resort to ad hominem attacks; so maybe I can put this another way. Discs that do not work or work poorly can be the result of:
1) poor firmware compatibility (the most common cause)
2) poor quality (the second most common cause)
3) drive flaw
4) software or computer flaw
If the reason is #2, then there is an identifiable problem or problems than can be measured or discovered--and there are scores of them. Some printable discs, for example, use cross-linked coatings that contract as they cure and cause the same tilt problems that paper labels on DVDs cause. Until someone identifies a particular cause such as sputter mask contamination, dye comet, adhesive splatter, radial runout, low reflectance, or whatever, it is not logical to jump to #2 when #1 cannot be ruled out. If millions of complaints on Nero's or anyone else's website are resolved by people's switching discs, that change can still include both #1 and #2 as explanations.
My only suggestion was that those who complain about quality ought to identify the quality problem so that #1 can be ruled out. There are several drives mentioned that DO NOT work with the latest CMC DVD discs until new firmware is issued; so in those cases #1 appears more likely.
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16. February 2006 @ 11:15 |
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Nope Joe yer got it wrong agin:
I'd love to debate logic, with you; but.
The quality of the product, 'lies' with the producer; not the buyer!
I think that guy from 'down South' summed it up best, with his red-hot poker analogy.
1 entry found for ad hominem.
Main Entry: character assassination
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: attack someone's reputation
Synonyms: ad hominem, blackening, dirty politics, dirty pool, dirty tricks, hatchet job, muckraking, mudslinging, name-calling, personal attack, slanderous attack, smear, smear campaign
Source: Roget's New Millennium? Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
I don't think by disagreeing with your words (?) I've done that...but. :)
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I used Memorex until 8 out of 10 from a stack of 15 would not play after the 2nd watch. I always burn at 4X or slower with them . I will never buy Memorex or even use them if there given to me.Luckaly , I back up everything I put on the Memorex to MIJ Sony & MIJ Maxell.
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"Ad hominem" is a Latin prepositional phrase that literally means "at the person." It differs from "ad hoc," which literally means "to the point." An ad hominum argument leaves the point of the discussion and levels criticism at the individual rather than the strength of his or her argument. An ad hoc argument stays on point. Cicero was (in)famous for his ad hominem arguments in court while he was denying that he would ever bring up the defendants' faults. Roget's thesaurus is a bit off on this definition. It is a prepositional phrase used as an adjective, not as a noun; and the phrase denotes argumentative style, not necessarily any negative content in the argument.
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I know what an ad hominum attack is. This attack isn't against you, just your logic and statements like Quote:
There are some poor quality factories making discs, but Ritek, Prodisc, and CMC are not among them.
You are going to get an opposing argument from me at least everytime you say that. The reason is simple. I have ONE CMC disc left that has survived. Just one out of hundreds.It was on a Verbatim data life plus disc that used CMC as the maker. Here is a scan of that 4 year old disc.
Now, it was burned at 1x, and i didnt come anywhere near the edge of the disc. That is where most CMCs get incomplete dye coat. Ive seen it, and you dont need to be a rocket scientist to see incomplete dye coat on the edge of a CMC disc. The purple dye will be blotchy and not go all the way to the edge. Now if this dye was spun on in liquid form, they were not using enough dye for that disc. Im not sure that is the way they make a media disc, but ive seen that on wafers used in computer chip manufacture. We call it incomplete coat. Also the dye is very important, and if cheap/low grade materials are used, your going to get a cheap low grade disc.
I can only show you one CMC that old, as all of the others died out after a few plays, or a few months. Many were not able to be backed up to good media as they had too many crc errors to copy successfully. That is all the science i need. Once i got rid of the CMCs and switched to Verbatim MMC codes, and Tys, my movies dieing after a few plays or months have gone away. Yes, firmware could have had something to do with it in that not many companies have figured out the right way to get a CMC to burn. For me the best way to burn a CMC is in a very hot fire, but thats just how i feel.
As i said before, if you think firmware out of date is the Main/only problem, then get CMC users to have good burns in the nero forum by updating firmware only. And those burns have to last for them to be good. You do that, and you will convince me. Otherwise you debate fairly well, but this isn't a debate forum. It is a place where ppl go to get help. I suggest you use your talents to help ppl. After all, you say you have the answer to why burns are failing, and according to you it isnt CMC. Please prove it by getting those failed CMCs to burn for ppl and last. I havent seen it done, but im willing to watch and learn something. And you would be helping them, if your theory is correct.
Until i see that happening, i will continue to slam CMC every time i see it being touted as GOOD media. It isnt anywhere near that. Ive seen it with my own eyes. You may have better eyes than i, but you havent seen what my eyes have seen. You wouldnt be supporting CMC if you saw the crap the have put out, and continue to put out. There is a lot more to going on that makes Verbatim and Taiyo Yudens the best. The ppl working at the factory, the quality of materials used, and the quality control department all factor in to make the Japanese companies turning out the best media. Take unskilled workers, cheapest material available both machinery and disc makeing materials, non-exsistant quality control, and turn out discs with the bottom line being how much they can make in profit, and you have a CMC factory. Its kind of like saying a Yugo is a great car, as it goes from point a to point b. You dont see many of those things running now, or back when they came out either. They were cheap and didnt last long even in the best cases. To me CMCs are the Yugos of the disc world, and i would be doing ppl a dis-service to suggest they use them. You can take the best DVD media making machines in the world, and turn out crap, if you use crappy dye/disc making materials, and let everything be based on profit margin alone. You dont want to pay workers too much if profit is the main motive. You also dont need the best DVD making machines or a skilled workforce. Just skilled enough to get the crap out of the factory and in to some un-suspecting fools hands.
Its not a personal attack, its an attack on your logic/ or argument. You prove you are right by fixing all CMC burning problems with firmware updates only. You do that, and you will be correct. If you cant do that, then you are wrong. CMCs are bad news. You will find that out once you try helping ANYONE who has a CMC and is not getting a good burn. Ive seen too many logs where firmware was current, or updated to current, and only by changing to GOOD media, not CMC, did the poster have success. I dont remember seeing any thread where they said "thanks for getting me to switch from Verbatim/Tys to CMC discs.. Now im burning again.." No, but you will see the reverse of that statement all over the Nero forum, and in many other burning forums here also.
The database of AD users and their burn problems was enough science for me to realize these things are junk. That and having them do the dye rot thing on me personally.
Keep on arguing. You know the only way your going to convince me. Ive already said it.
Die CMC Mag!!!
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brainwashing, it can do wonders.
I agree, but who's the brainwashed here, I wonder?
You have bunch of people reporting their failures, exposing their miserable experiences with Memorex. You are presented with "logical" arguments-experiments in which many variables have been taken in account-time, speed write, player, firmware, you name it. CMC Mag. failed. Period. But no, here on AD, we're all brainwashed! According to the science, your science, it must be my burner's fault, my firmware, everytime I put a Memorex in and the burn fails, or the disc freezes in the player. But wait, old firmware gives me the same result, new firmware gives me the same result...Burn fails, or playback fails. What a fu@#k! The science says CMC Mag. are wonderful! It must be my burner then, it is just incompatibile with this quality media.
Well, I guess i will try some second grade media, I'll put in a Verbatim. I have no other choice, I already spent my money on the wonderful Memoerx, but I can not use them.(sigh!) I guess my burner, no matter if I update the firmware or not, no matter how fast I burn, my burner is not a "chosen" one. It is just not worthy of CMC Mag!Maybe if the Rabi will bless it...maybe if I will repent for all the "dirty" movies that went through my burner, at the end I will be allowed by the "almighty" science to use CMC Mag in my burner!
Untill then, I have no other choice but use Verbatim and Sony(TY). They are not kosher, but this is all I can settle for right now, are the only ones that my sinful burner is allowed to use! And somehow, it works great! Well, living in sin is not that bad after all! I can live without CMCs!
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The dvdrw drive and firmware might have something to do with it being able to recognize and burn descent on cmc mag media but how do you explain the dye degradation and all the errors on a cmc mag disc after 6 months to a year. I suppose thats due to the drive or f/w too. If so why doesn't the same happen with media made by mitsubishi chemical company or taiyo yuden?
Since I can buy verbatim's (mcc) and taiyo yudens for the same price or less than cmc mag's where is the logic in replacing my drive or other hardware in order to burn cmc mag junk? That makes no sense. I'm not going to write a book on this subject but plain and simple cmc mag is sub par media. If only the very best hardware and software is required to burn on cmc mag media and make them last then that makes them inferior to mcc and ty since they will burn and last with a much larger variety of hardware and software.
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Now we're getting somewhere--actual descriptions of problems rather than "these discs suck." Updating firmware on any drive will not necessarily make one or another medium work better. That only happens if that particular MID code is included in the write strategy table included in the update. Sometimes they are not, and sometimes discs that worked at rated speed drop to a lower speed in updated firmware due to errors in the coding. This has happened in several instances with a particular series of drives in the market.
All dyes are spin-coated onto discs. There is always enough dye to cover the disc. The effects on the edges of the disc are generally due to bonding adhesive, not to the dye coverage. It may look as though it is the dye, but all polycarbonate substrates are, in effect, lenses for the laser focusing; so funny things can appear in a disc. Adhesive failures and imperfections are real flaws, and no firmware can correct such flaws. Bonding flaws can increase over time, and that could account for discs failing to perform after a period of time. Bonding adhesive was once applied by screening methods, but that made the inner hub area look ugly when the substrates were sandwiched together. Now almost everyone uses spin-coating for the adhesive application and UV curing immediately afterward. The scan from MaxBurn does not indicate that kind of problem because error rates from tilt caused by adhesive flaws tend to increase toward the outer edge. The scanned disc is OK but not great because of the 3 parity inner failures--which means the parity outer matrix may have to correct them.
My point all along has been that until actual descriptions of problems appear, it is unscientific to proclaim one brand or another as poor quality. If users can buy Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim as inexpensively and easily as other brands, use them. They are very high quality media, and they work in every drive. But if every disc in a spindle of a different brand fails in a drive or the drive refuses to recognize the medium, then the liklihood is greater that the issue is one of incompatibility. One cannot judge the quality of incompatible discs except with DVD CATS and a Pulstec drive to measure physical parameters--or with a compatible drive to measure recording quality, but that is also always a measure of some degree of compatibility, too.
Recorded discs that once worked and no longer do can have failed for: 1) physical deterioration (scratches, adhesive failures, dye or alloy contaminants; dye instability) or 2) bad recordings whose error rates were so high in the first place that as the media aged and error rates increased, the errors exceeded the correctable threshold. This is the area where initial quality can be called into question.
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@JoeRyan -
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Now we're getting somewhere--actual descriptions of problems rather than "these discs suck."
- all i will say at this point is that it gets incredibly frustrating/repetitive to answer (in detail etc) these kind of threads when lots of us regulars have done so 1000s of times on the forums previously. We get literally worn down repeating the same stuff endlessly so after 1000s of posts some of us prbably do just use one-liners such as 'stay away from CMC'. my poor old eyes have seen literally 1000s of Nero logfiles/posts containing CMC discs and i know i get fed up regurgitating the same old replies. One of the key facts here is that we don't get endless logs/posts re decent media, ie Verbatim/TY/various others, but we do get endless problems/posts re CMC etc media. sometimes ppl come along using arguments such as CMC only seem bad because ppl are only posting when they have problems, not when they have good results). That would obviously be a valid argument if masses of ppl were posting problems and were using good media.
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21. February 2006 @ 12:20 |
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Let me just point out a few things.
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All dyes are spin-coated onto discs. There is always enough dye to cover the disc.
That statement right there tells me you are not in the manufacturing of discs. I work for a large computer chip manufacturer in a cleanroom working on and running the machines that make probably the computer chip you are using to type your messages. Chip manufacture uses silicon disc and photoresist is spun on the wafer in part of the chip making process. Now these machines and equipment are much more expensive and complex than a dvd media making machine. The machines i run can and do run out of photoresist along with many other chemicals used. Alarms should go off but not always. Incomplete coat is one thing that happens, and quality control checks futher down from that process detect it. And if that resist is old, or a bad batch, the chips will fail inline or end of line tests and have to be scrapped. CMC has a sh*tty quality control department, uses crappy dye that deteriorates over time, and has low paid workers. And thats their good qualities.
No, JoeRyan, you are not going to argue your way out of this. If you want to change the tried and true methods we have found here at AD, you will have to PROVE IT. And the only way you are going to prove you are correct, that CMC is right up there with Verbatim and Ty discs in quality, is to either get them to work in Nero forums where they fail(real world test), or to produce scientific evidence (disc scans, pi/pif, whatever thats cheap and repeatable in every computer) that YOUR WAY is better. Otherwise you are full of hot air. I said that as nicely as i could. :)
Die CMC Mag!!!
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21. February 2006 @ 12:49 |
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One question, does the brand go by "taiyo yuden" cuz i cant seem to find any blank media by that name on best buy.
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21. February 2006 @ 12:53 |
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21. February 2006 @ 13:03 |
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One question, does the brand go by "taiyo yuden" cuz i cant seem to find any blank media by that name on best buy.
I believe the SONY DVD+R Made In Japan are coding out as TY's. Check the sales section for this week in the media thread. They'll let you know which one's are TY's at your local stores. If you want TY only, be sure it's Made In Japan. Best Buy has them this week 50pk for $14.99.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/303931
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