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The Official Graphics Card and PC gaming Thread
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Griff88
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16. September 2011 @ 00:04 |
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Thanks for the info Estuansis. Now I can hold off a bit longer on an upgrade.
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16. September 2011 @ 00:09 |
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Wow, at 4.35ghz - that is one fast chip - like the new sandy bridges! I'm eventually going to overclock my 2.6 quad core to get to 3.4, and I'll still be a full 1 ghz slower. Like Jeff said, sounds like your system will be balanced with the one card.
Kevin, for sure, if you can ever get that bug handled - as much as you liked GTA4 you will like Vito, and Jimmy's Vendetta, and Joey's Stories in Mafia 2. Good luck with windows 7 on a usb flash drive.
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16. September 2011 @ 00:28 |
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Luck? I'll need it LOL! Not sure how well it'll run on a drive, that can't handle a whole lot of simultaneous read/write operations ;) But if it can handle basic stuff like streaming netflix, or watching a few videos from other drives, I should be able to determine if something is going on with my Velociraptor, yet again...
I finally have time to attempt it. The drive is ready to boot and install now. I'll be attempting it within the hour. If it works, I'll post a link to the site that helped me. That way somebody else can be linked there ;)
Are people who are subscribed to the AMd building thread, not getting update emails? I know the thread is plagued with the new page bug...
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16. September 2011 @ 04:45 |
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It depends on the game, an E8500 will be a massive bottleneck in quad-oriented games like Battlefield 3. There are several other games for which an E8500 is starting to no longer be sufficient. You might be OK for the time being depending on the game, but you should definitely look to upgrading the CPU before too long as well.
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16. September 2011 @ 08:09 |
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Had a little play with a new performance metric.
Using previous established values with a default resolution of 1920x1080, a baseline which measures how fast everything performs, given a fixed screen resolution, can be calculated.
In other words, clearly two PCs with the same hardware but one running a larger monitor, the latter is going to effectively become 'a slower PC' if run with the same detail settings, but the higher resolution.
Using a metric that considers both the graphics hardware and the resolution, a single figure can be obtained for how demanding a game is, based on benchmark data. By considering the score for your system against the score from a game, you can more immediately identify how many detail setting adjustments (if any) will be needed to achieve your desired frame rate, rather than having to recalculate benchmarks based on cards you don't own, or resolutions you don't use :)
The benchmark as always, is going to be the Radeon HD4870, with a score of 100. So an HD4870, with a resolution of 1920x1080, gives a PC score of 100.
Thus, a Geforce GTX580 with a resolution of 1920x1080, gives a PC score of 230, and a Radeon HD6970 with a resolution of 2560x1600 gives a PC score of 106.
Here are some example systems based on my own, and various friends' PC systems:
8800GTX @ 2560x1600: 35
HD4870X2@ 2560x1600: 91
HD4870 @ 1680x1050: 118
HD6970 @ 2560x1440: 118
HD6850 @ 1920x1200: 126
HD5850 @ 1920x1200: 140
HD6870 @ 1600x1200: 173
2xHD6970 @ 2560x1600: 208
GTX580 @ 1920x1080: 230
2xHD6850 @ 1920x1200: 246
With that as a reference, here are the recently benchmarked titles at GameGPU.
The objective frame rate is 60. This means if you only desire 30fps, you can get away with a PC score exactly half that of the game's score, before needing to reduce detail.
Both average and minimum frame rates are considered here, so for an average frame rate of 60fps, read the first value. For a minimum frame rate of 60fps, read the second value.
If a single figure is noted with an A, only the average frame rate is available in the benchmark.
W40K Space Marine: 75A
Dungeon Siege 3: 80/90
Call of Juarez 2 The Cartel: 95/115
HoMAM 6: 100A
Alice: Madness Returns: 100/115 (Normal), 375/510 (PhysX Med), 445/655 (PhysX High)
Dead Island: 105/125
Hard Reset: 100/120 (NoAA), 155/180 (MLAA), 255/340 (FS4)
From Dust: 110/130
Duke Nukem Forever: 145/185
Red Faction Armageddon: 170/205 (DX9), 205/250 (DX11)
Deus Ex Human Revolution: 180/200
Battlefield 3 Alpha: 185/250
Fable 3: 185/260
DiRT 3 v1.1: 195/230
F3AR: 235/280
Crysis 2: 290/375 (DX9), 345/485 (DX11)
Total War Shogun 2: 305/370 (DX10 MLAA), 440/575 (DX10.1 MS8), 485/650 (DX11 MS8)
Rift: Planes of Telara: 375/500
The Witcher 2: 230/315 (High), 760/915 (Ultra), 780/980 (Max), 625/810 (High 3D), 2120/2520 (Max 3D(est.))
Some interesting things to note here:
1. Even at 1080p resolution, an old HD4870 can still run the first eight titles pretty close to 60fps.
2. Even with some concessions, Crysis 2, Shogun 2, Rift and The Witcher 2 all require a higher PC score than any of the example systems listed.
3. The penalty for PhysX, and for 3D Vision, is enormous. (Also note, Geforces are still required to use either of these technologies)
4. The Witcher 2 is ridiculous. A performance rating of 2520 for the maximum setting in 3D mode would require Two GTX570s in SLI just for 640x480!
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16. September 2011 @ 10:24 |
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great work sam, mighty impressive! Hmmm looks like I will need a big upgrde soon.
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16. September 2011 @ 10:35 |
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It'd definitely be worth waiting for the HD7 series I think, while they won't offer astronomical increases in performance, they should make a much higher performance level available on reasonable TDPs. I anticipate seeing a very similar level of performance increase from last process change (i.e. 40% above the highest geforce, 50% above the highest radeon), probably looking at around PR310-315 for the HD7970 (remember HD5870 is PR180, HD6970 is PR210, GTX580 is PR230), but more than that, the HD7950 will probably perform around the PR280-290 area, so 25% or so faster than the GTX580, but within the same 6+6-pin 150W power envelope that the HD6870 does now.
Likewise, the HD7800 series should offer near-identical performance in every regard to the HD6950/6970, but in small single 6-pin cards.
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16. September 2011 @ 11:20 |
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Finally pulled the trigger on the Dell U2410. Suckers headed my way :D You have no idea how long I've waited to announce this ;) I don't even have it yet, and I'm happier then a fly on a turd. I rarely use photoshop at the moment, because my last monitor was barely adequate, and my current is too damned small. I can't wait to experience what I've no doubt been missing. Couldn't pay with paypal though(website bug). I'm quite upset about that. Thankfully I had enough funds in another account. But now I don't have much pocket money for a week :S
Wow, so Witcher 2 is a real resource pig eh? Looks like no matter how much I upgrade the GPU, there's still gonna be a handful (or more) of games that can't run at a decent framerate, while maintaining wow factor.
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19. September 2011 @ 08:25 |
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Red Orchestra 2 - Heroes of Stalingrad
Graphics Unified score: 265/295 (HD6850 Crossfire/GTX470 SLI -> HD6870 Crossfire/GTX560Ti SLI @ 1920x1080)
CPU Requisites @ 60fps:
Average:
Quads: QX9650 @ 4.25Ghz, X4 965 @ 4.0Ghz, i5 750 @ 2.7Ghz, i7 920 @ 2.7Ghz
Duals: E8600 @ 5.0Ghz, i3 530 @ 3.5Ghz (No AMDs fast enough)
Minimum:
Quads: i7 950 @ 3.1Ghz, i5 760 @ 2.95Ghz (No AMDs fast enough)
Duals: i3 560 @ 4.4Ghz (No AMDs fast enough)
No advantages to hex-cores detected
Another heavy-hitter, especially on the CPUs.
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19. September 2011 @ 11:39 |
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Due to an anticipated supply shortfall, the HD7 series 2011 release has been cancelled, and the cards will launch at a similar time to the GTX6 series in early-mid 2012. (likely March-May)
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19. September 2011 @ 16:57 |
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Well that's unfortunate. I was looking forward to a cutting edge GPU in february. I guess we'll see.
Looks like the bug on my PC may be gone. Things are responding much quicker. No lockups. I replaced the Velociraptor with a 1Tb WD1001FALS. They really do perform similarly. I'll know for sure tonight. I have two more tests to run, which will tell me without a doubt.
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Griff88
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20. September 2011 @ 16:39 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
It depends on the game, an E8500 will be a massive bottleneck in quad-oriented games like Battlefield 3. There are several other games for which an E8500 is starting to no longer be sufficient. You might be OK for the time being depending on the game, but you should definitely look to upgrading the CPU before too long as well.
Hi Sam, I have a brand new i7 920 D0 CPU, that I got for free. Would it fit the bill for a good upgrade? I haven't done anything with it, because I wasn't sure if I wanted to spend money on a 1366 socket motherboard. However, if it's good enough to run games like BF3, then I'll go with it.
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20. September 2011 @ 16:51 |
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The i7 920 is still a decent gaming CPU. It works a lot better if you overclock it, but it's not far behind the best CPUs you can currently buy. I'd keep it.
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Griff88
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20. September 2011 @ 17:38 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The i7 920 is still a decent gaming CPU. It works a lot better if you overclock it, but it's not far behind the best CPUs you can currently buy. I'd keep it.
thanks sam
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21. September 2011 @ 13:00 |
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Sam and Jeff. You two were one of the largest deciding factors in purchasing the Dell U2410. I thank you both, VERY much. The screen is nothing short of gorgeous! I may be nitpicking, but the white web pages seem a little warm at the moment. I think it's just fine though. Only running for 10 minutes, and I'm loving it! Zero dead pixels, zero stuck pixels. :) <---- very happy camper!
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21. September 2011 @ 13:01 |
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Color temperature too high? Because my 3008WFP was certainly too high when I first bought it, so I RGB'ed it down a bit.
If you bought your monitor direct from Dell, you are covered by a 3-year zero-dead-pixel guarantee. If a single pixel on your monitor gets stuck, a replacement monitor will be next-dayed to you.
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21. September 2011 @ 14:03 |
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You know, I'm just gonna leave it alone for now. I'll play with photoshop later. That will be the main testing ground of course ;)
Blu ray looks fantastic! I'd say a good 10 - 25% better than my old samsung! And I liked my samsung a lot. It looks so friggin good. I can't wait to game with this beast.
I don't think I have any complaints really. The buttons were kind of finicky at first, but I think I got used to their quirks. Much like my touch phone. Made me laugh the first time. The light came on as my finger approached it.
Looks like my Wii Component cable may have a problem. Getting a static rolling bar. Man, I think 2 out of 3 of the cables I've had, have had problems. Unbelievable LOL!
Runs cooler than my samsung too. No more extreme heat dissipation!
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21. September 2011 @ 18:15 |
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how can you judge how much better a monitor is by percentage?
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21. September 2011 @ 18:18 |
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My mind is highly mathematical...
Seriously though, it is just an estimate. I wouldn't say it's twice the monitor, I wouldn't say it's slightly better either. I Guesstimated...
IT's probably closer to 33% better. At least with the Blu Ray watching :p
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23. September 2011 @ 15:59 |
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Remember how my 16Gb kingston Flashy would disrupt my printer, and associate slow to windows? Well, the Dell monitor is apparently remedying that problem. I wonder if it's ports are somehow increasing the signal(extender of some kind), thereby curing the problematic code.
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23. September 2011 @ 16:11 |
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Dell's USB hubs are powered, they do not rely on bus power.
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23. September 2011 @ 16:13 |
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But see, I don't think that's it. The code HAS to have changed somehow. I've tried hubs in the past. Same problem. Something about the Dell is different. I like it LOL!
Apparently at least two of my drives get better transfers too. Though that's probably because of the Back USB ports on the tower/Mobo ;)
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23. September 2011 @ 16:15 |
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As far as I'm aware the drivers are different, but I'm not sure in what way.
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23. September 2011 @ 16:16 |
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I didn't use the drivers. Just let windows do it's thing ;) No problems, so no need to install them.
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23. September 2011 @ 16:20 |
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No that's what I mean, the automatically installed drivers differ somehow. I've never used the CD either.
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