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30. August 2011 @ 08:32 |
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I included CPU limitations on that graph for a reason - a Q9550 guarantees a minimum of 45fps in Crysis 2, so a Q9450 will only be marginally below that, and with a small overclock, will reach over 50. In Crysis 1, the CPU limit will always be above 60. The Q9450 is still quite a powerful CPU.
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30. August 2011 @ 09:11 |
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2. September 2011 @ 08:39 |
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LOL I've started playing Fallout 3. It's on Gamebryo Engine so you guys know what that means, MODS!!! It has guns too so I'm being even more anal retentive than Oblivion! lol Modding is fun, especially when the game is so open to it. So far every single weapon has been replaced, tweaked, or retextured. I'm trying to keep the original balance intact while making some of the beginner/intermediate weapons more useful.
Fortunately the graphics and performance are quite reasonable compared to Oblivion so I can spend less time fixing the game and more time tailoring it to my tastes. Just a basic overall high res texture pack and some dozen or so high res re-textures for certain things. Just to spruce it up a little. I'd say currently my versions of Oblivion and Fallout 3 have been upgraded to a similar graphical standard.
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7. September 2011 @ 23:21 |
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Started to play Mafia 2. The game is downright pretty and a joy to play. Runs great. The lighting, models, and textures in particular are very good, but the game is low on heavy fireworks, so I manage an average of say 60-70 at maxed settings. Excellent game.
Also has a lot of really well done weapons. The game is set directly after World War II right after your character returns from fighting in Italy. There are K98s, M1 Garands, both versions of the Thompson SMG, Remington 870s, MP40s the list goes on. My personal favorites are the 357 Magnum and Colt M1911 with an extended magazine. A lot of detail and historical accuracy packed into the game. Cars even run out of gas and unlike other sandbox GTA clones you are expected to keep your cars nice and follow traffic.
Mafia 2 is one of the highest quality games I've played in years.
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Started to play Mafia 2. The game is downright pretty and a joy to play. Runs great. The lighting, models, and textures in particular are very good, but the game is low on heavy fireworks, so I manage an average of say 60-70 at maxed settings. Excellent game.
Also has a lot of really well done weapons. The game is set directly after World War II right after your character returns from fighting in Italy. There are K98s, M1 Garands, both versions of the Thompson SMG, Remington 870s, MP40s the list goes on. My personal favorites are the 357 Magnum and Colt M1911 with an extended magazine. A lot of detail and historical accuracy packed into the game. Cars even run out of gas and unlike other sandbox GTA clones you are expected to keep your cars nice and follow traffic.
Mafia 2 is one of the highest quality games I've played in years.
Mafia & Mafia 2 are underrated, they are both great games.
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9. September 2011 @ 22:09 |
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Well, as usual I'm about a week behind, adding in two more days of blackout - did you guys hear about it? It affected all of Southern California even into Mexico and parts of Arizona, lol. Thankfully it wasn't a full 48 hours - more like 3 hours one day and 5 hours the next. The big bright shopping center with the supermarket that stays open until 1 am, just around the corner, was totally blacked out at 9 at night when my brother and I came back from the movies waiting for power to come back on. I got out of my car in the middle of the parking lot and just looked around - a scene from a video game (but I didn't stay long in case the police were to drive by and decide I was a looter, lol.)
Originally posted by estuansis:
Well you didn't necessarily have to beat CoD1 beforehand but it follows in chronological order somewhat. CoD1 focused on Stalingrad and the Normandy landings while United Offensive was about Kursk and the Battle of the Bulge which both took place after the events in the first game. Remember, this is the expansion for Call of Duty 1, not Medal of Honor. Medal of Honor is a much older game tech-wise.
Wow, that is crazy. Thanks for the info. I'm really glad that you are up on all the war shooters going back to the beginning of the COD series. It is very possible that I do not have United Offensive, although the title sounds so familiar.
I'm going to have to pull all 10 of the little boxes out of the cabinet to get to the big gaming box to see where United Offensive is, if I even have it. (Yeah, see below - I found it!)
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Just for the fun of it - does your fps shooter involvement go all the way back to the W98 Microsoft game - Outwars?
It was a pretty cool game and probably led MS to develop Halo. Outwars was a space game with the marines fighting "bugs" who had their own weapons. The marines used jet packs, and they also used hang gliders. This was before WASD when everybody just used the arrow keys for movement.
Did any of you guys ever play Outwars? I think that game started shooters for me!
It was one of the games that was demoed on the W98 install CD, along with Monster Truck Madness, and both of those were also LAN games that could be played with several players.
I had 3 old computers on a LAN, each with a 3dfx graphics card, or maybe an old nvidia, and at least a 200mhz cpu, with at least 64MB of Ram I think, running Monster Truck Madness with the special steering wheel and accelerator and brake gaming console. We used to run those trucks around and crash into each other and try to push each other off the high platform for extra points in the Arena game.
For Outwars, we used the hang gliders and flew around shooting each other - hahaha.
Does anybody else remember those two games? Did anybody else have the old gaming console with steering wheel and foot assembly for Monster Truck Madness?
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Okay, I pulled all the boxes out.
And yes! I found United Offensive! You start with a group of guys out on patrol in the snow, suddenly to be attacked by Nazis coming in from all directions - like Jeff said, the Battle of the Bulge.
By the way, I picked up about $150 in some new equipment finally - a Saitek lighted keyboard - I think a couple of you guys have that, maybe Jeff and Shaff, and I was leaning toward the Habu mouse, but I finally picked up a SteelSeries mouse pad for about $30 from Newegg - the one that is a hard plastic with 10,000 ridges per square inch - and a newegg reviewer said the pad was perfectly matched to the ikari laser mouse, so I got that one new off ebay, for about $50, because newegg was out.
Anyway, I was able to get Call of Duty One, and United Offensive, which have a max resolution of 2048x1440 (I think) to play in a window on the 2560x1600 screen, so the image is not stretched. At first the nvidia 8800 gtx didn't want to cooperate, but finally it started working okay - maybe I wasn't quite doing things right - putting it in a window finally made it work. I also loaded Call of Duty 2 on the gaming rig, and it is fine with display at 2560x1600.
But what I wanted to mention, is that I have two quick dpi settings on the Ikari mouse, like all of you guys have on the Habu and the other good mice you guys have.
So when I started up United Offensive, which as Jeff mentions jumps into the Battle of the Bulge and the surprise Nazi counter-attack as the Allies were closing in on the Fatherland, I found that when I was in the jeep manning the 50 caliber, and we were fleeing from nazis pouring out of every snowbound slope, the slower 800 dpi setting was WAY more stable than leaving it on the faster 1600 setting. I didn't have any trouble mowing down all the Germans, whereas the jumping of the jeep was causing me major problems at the higher dpi, and I remember thinking back a couple of years how difficult it was to fire accurately with the gun bouncing all over the place. So right away, I am really glad I got the new mouse, if only for that.
Anyway, the whole subject of United Offensive, versus Allied Attack, caused me to do some more research on Infinity Ward, which has now regenerated itself as Respawn Entertainment, back with EA, which they left when they teamed up with Activision and made the first Call of Duty.
Infinity Ward, originally 2015, did their first work on the first Medal of Honor, which Steve Spielberg produced. That is the game I was thinking about - the truck convoy pretending to be Nazis - Medal of Honor Allied Assault, the first Medal of Honor to run on Windows (and I guess the third medal of honor - but the first two were console games.) So that was the first game that had a major Infinity Ward influence, but the constraints of EA at that time - everything had to be American, you had to have a soldier being a heroic single person, infiltrating etc. rather than part of a larger attack force - were stifling the creativity of infinity Ward.
If you guys follow this link, you will see some videos that I have never seen before, by Machinima.com.
The videos start with the whole development of Infinity Ward in leaving EA and going to activision and starting the COD franchise. The videos finish with MW2 on the way. But then the videos move into Valve, and how Gabe Newell and his partner started, developing Half Life. A few more videos move into the mods, Counter Strike, Day of Defeat, and Team Fortress, and finish up on Half Life 2, and the two episodes. I should mention that some of the people at Valve question the wisdom of the episode idea - whether or not that plan was the best thing that could have happened with the Half Life series.
Anyway, I STRONGLY recommend this series of machinima.com YouTube videos - check it out, you'll be glad you did!
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Hey, getting caught up to Sam's new graph, has anybody started playing Crysis 2? I now have the money to upgrade the 8800GTX paired with my quad stock 9450, to a 6970 (that's the one, right, 2 gigs memory, at about $330?) but the games I play, like BC2, are running okay on the 8800GTX. And I have the feeling that even a 6970 with my 9450 quad, wouldn't handle Crysis, let alone Crysis 2.
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Rich we're telling you the 9450 is just fine. Just overclock the thing. It's basically guaranteed to 3.4GHz problem free.
That quote is from Jeff again. I feel a lot better about overclocking the 9450 now that I have installed a side intake fan. Sam gave me some guidance about a year ago on how to do it. I can save custom bios settings on the motherboard.
So do I correctly read you, Jeff, that with a 6970, 2 gigs, running my 4 gigs 9450, overclocked to 3.4, on Windows 7 to take advantage of all 6 gigs, I might be able to get some kind of decent frames out of Crysis? I own Crysis, Warhead, but not yet Crysis 2. Is anybody playing Crysis 2, and is it any good? Edit: I almost missed it - I see Sam mentioning about 45 to 50 fps with an overclocked 9450 on Crysis 2 - okay, that sounds good - and I previously had saved Jeff's comments on the DX11 2 gig patch crytek released for Crysis 2 - another good thing.
(I also notice that between Jeff and DXR, you guys like Mafia - maybe I'll check it out - but other than Jeff mentioning how the DX11 enhancement really cleaned up the looks of Crysis 2, I haven't noticed anybody really talking about the gameplay - and Sam hasn't even tried it - which tells me that you guys who played it were not that impressed. Am I right?.)
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9. September 2011 @ 23:57 |
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Crysis 2 was a step backward in both graphics and story. it did however have better simplified controls.
i wish we could go back to the day when consoles followed there own strict code. now its all about how we can port this over to PC with as little effort as possible.
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10. September 2011 @ 01:17 |
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I was under the impression that Plasma burn in was an isolated problem. Isolated to strictly plasma screens. Today, I witnessed a ~6 yr old Dell 17" LCD monitor, with what appeared to be some form of burn in. My brother had an image set for his desktop background. The stark white pixels apparently caused a form of burn in. Or perhaps they're merely stuck pixels? Because I thought dead pixels were black. Is there some way to Unstick the pixels? LOL! Please don't suggest Tapping pencils into the pixels. I couldn't bare it Jeff LOL!
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10. September 2011 @ 01:30 |
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LOL Omega that's the best solution I've found so far. It's not nearly enough of a tap to damage the screen and any pencil lines can be wiped off. It worked beautifully for the one stuck pixel on my ASUS 1080p monitor and the offending pixel has worked fine for well over 6 months now. You just place the dull tip of a pencil on the pixel, and flick it, but not hard. The shock usually corrects the pixel and you can do it multiple times with no damage. The trick is to NOT USE A SHARP PENCIL. The tip will likely break and it can damage your screen as well, broken tip or not.
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10. September 2011 @ 01:44 |
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Well, according to Wiki, Flashy videos, or simply rubbing the screen gently could help. I've advised my brother to try both. He has also decided to change the background as well ;) The stark white is apparently offensive to the old monitor.
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14. September 2011 @ 13:04 |
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Some leaked info about AMD's HD7 series:
HD7800 series (Thames)
1536 VLIW4 @ 950mhz, 2GB GDDR5 @ 5800mhz (256-bit, 186GB/s), 120W TDP (HD7870)
1408 VLIW4 @ 850Mhz, 2GB GDDR5 @ 5200mhz (256-bit, 166GB/s), 90W TDP (HD7850)
compares to
HD6900 series (Cayman)
1536 VLIW4 @ 880mhz, 2GB GDDR5 @ 5500mhz (256-bit, 176GB/s), 210W typical (250W max) (HD6970)
1408 VLIW4 @ 800mhz, 2GB GDDR5 @ 5000mhz (256-bit, 160GB/s), 170W typical (200W max) (HD6950)
HD7670/HD7570 (Lombok)
768 VLIW4 @ 900Mhz, 1GB GDDR5 @ 5000mhz (128-bit, 80GB/s), 60W TDP
768 VLIW4 @ 750Mhz, 1GB GDDR5 @ 4000Mhz (128-bit, 64GB/s), 50W TDP
compares to
HD6700 series (Juniper)
800 VLIW5 @ 850Mhz, 1GB GDDR5 @ 4800mhz (128-bit, 76.8GB/s), 108W TDP (HD6770)
720 VLIW5 @ 700Mhz, 1GB GDDR5 @ 4600mhz (128-bit, 73.6GB/s), 86W TDP (HD6750)
HD7900 series (Tahiti)
2048 GCN @ 1000Mhz, 2GB XDR2 @ 8000mhz (256-bit, 256GB/s), 190W TDP
1920 GCN @ 900Mhz, 2GB XDR2 @ 7200mhz (256-bit, 230GB/s), 150W TDP
It's becoming pretty apparent that the switch to 28nm will offer HD6950/6970 performance including the memory capacity and bandwidth on a single PCIe 6-pin card. Here's hoping the pricing will be similarly low. The performance of the HD7900 series however, isn't immediately guessable, as it's a new architectural design, and new memory type as well. Theoretically we should be looking at something of the order of a 40% performance increase against a 10-20% power reduction. Not bad, but once again AMD are pretty conservative with the new architecture here, presumably because the silicon yields will once again be very low, causing availability to be very poor, much like the HD5 series. Once again, nvidia are several months behind at this stage with Kepler, but with a later release date this time around, it's difficult to say if AMD will get much of a retail headstart, if any.
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14. September 2011 @ 13:07 |
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Probably be buying one of the HD7 series cards come february. Provided it's been released. If info has been leaked, I would imagine it will by February ;)
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14. September 2011 @ 13:11 |
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Now that 2GB memory has become the standard (as I was hoping), my next hope is that AMD bother to put 3 displayport connectors as standard on the new cards, to make eyefinity setups a bit easier. As nice as this new generation looks for efficiency, I don't see much of a reason for high-end HD6/GTX5 users to upgrade for it. Personally, I'm likely to be waiting until the HD8 series.
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14. September 2011 @ 13:14 |
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How long on 8 you think? Perhaps I could find another gtx260, and be fine for a while longer. Dual 260's though, probably would only effect a select number of games though...
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14. September 2011 @ 13:16 |
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Depends. HD8 would most likely be a revision of 28nm, since 22nm silicon will be years off yet, perhaps not even until early 2015. With the HD7900 series already bringing a brand new graphics architecture to the fore, I'm not entirely sure what they could do. It's becoming increasingly obvious that reducing silicon process further is becoming increasingly difficult, and an industry-wide expectation is appearing that by 10-15nm, the entire shrinking process will stop altogether, and we will likely need to switch to something like optical electronics. Stagnant times are ahead.
As a reference, one HD7850 (90W TDP) would almost certainly outperform two GTX260s in SLI.
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14. September 2011 @ 13:23 |
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THanks for the info. I knew my card was grossly outdated LOL! 10 - 15nm... 0__0 It boggles the mind LOL!
Or perhaps at the end of next year, we'll be thrown back to the dark ages all together :S Heaven forbid. Contrary to what my close friends and family think, i'd survive without a computer. I have other passions after all. Chemistry, reading, science in general!
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14. September 2011 @ 13:26 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Depends. HD8 would most likely be a revision of 28nm, since 22nm silicon will be years off yet, perhaps not even until early 2015. With the HD7900 series already bringing a brand new graphics architecture to the fore, I'm not entirely sure what they could do. It's becoming increasingly obvious that reducing silicon process further is becoming increasingly difficult, and an industry-wide expectation is appearing that by 10-15nm, the entire shrinking process will stop altogether, and we will likely need to switch to something like optical electronics. Stagnant times are ahead.
As a reference, one HD7850 (90W TDP) would almost certainly outperform two GTX260s in SLI.
we could go backwords and start packing more Crap in the chip.
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14. September 2011 @ 13:31 |
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I don't think Fecal matter will help us... :p
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14. September 2011 @ 14:28 |
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i was hoping for more of a jump considering, that we missed a generations worth of improvemetns due to 32nm being canceled.
disapoitned. was hoping for 4870x2 speeds at 75w tbh haha
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14. September 2011 @ 14:33 |
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Well, 6950 speeds at 90W, that's not far off to be honest. In high resolution environments the HD6950 is often faster than the HD4870X2.
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I don't think Fecal matter will help us... :p
who knows it could be the worlds first organic microchip, and in stead of heatsink compound we would use eatstink compound.
...i should patent this.
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14. September 2011 @ 23:55 |
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Originally posted by estuansis:
Started to play Mafia 2. The game is downright pretty and a joy to play. Runs great. The lighting, models, and textures in particular are very good, but the game is low on heavy fireworks, so I manage an average of say 60-70 at maxed settings. Excellent game.
Also has a lot of really well done weapons. The game is set directly after World War II right after your character returns from fighting in Italy. There are K98s, M1 Garands, both versions of the Thompson SMG, Remington 870s, MP40s the list goes on. My personal favorites are the 357 Magnum and Colt M1911 with an extended magazine. A lot of detail and historical accuracy packed into the game. Cars even run out of gas and unlike other sandbox GTA clones you are expected to keep your cars nice and follow traffic.
Mafia 2 is one of the highest quality games I've played in years.
DXR quoted this before, but Jeff's "review" deserves to be quoted again. I started playing Mafia 2, and it is amazing, and in my opinion, far better than GTA4 - so Kevin, you might like it. The graphics are super sharp - I was amazed that in the car, as you turn into the sunlight, the light breaks apart into its component colors just like in real life - RGB, and you can see overlaps of two colors forming yellow - in fact headlights and all lighting is handled very well. In addition, there is some incredible snow and icy street maps - just for the fun of it I took a break from the story centered around Vito, and looked at Jimmy's vengeance and Joey's story.
The first main episode of Joey's story involved killing off a main witness - a stool pigeon. As the witness was escaping, there was a car chase over a frozen river, with chunks of ice, and places where the ice had thawed - an incredible car chase if there ever were one.
If you play it, don't wait for the Garand like I did, wondering where it was. It is in any of the many gun shops spread around New York City - just browse the shop like I finally decided to do, and they sell Garands - and THAT rifle is very deadly against these hoods. It has a lot more range than the pistols, plus the single shot power of the magnum. (To buy tommy guns or others, only the one Army surplus at the top of the map sells those items.)
Anyway, to echo Jeff and DXR - Mafia 2 is a great game!
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What did you say, Sam, a 40% performance increase versus 10-20% power drop on 7000 family? Well, if that is coming in Feb - maybe that's when I'll take the plunge. It would be nice to put the 9450 in the position of being the bottleneck, and then OCing it to 3.4 to fix that. (So is crysis 30" very high settings gaming finally going to be a reality for me at 30fps min all the way through the game including ice? After Mafia 2 I don't know if I care about Crysis any more, lol.)
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I may just check it out. I'm trying to figure out a bug first. Until this bug is discovered, I cannot, I will not install anything else LOL! I wish there was a version of windows 7 that could fit on a flash drive. Oh wait! I have a 32Gb drive! But surely there's a lite version...
I wonder if "7" will even allow installation on a 32Gb USB drive. Apparently not designed natively for installation to flashy.
I think I found a way to install windows 7 to flashy :) The reason I have to use "7", is because with something like say Linux, I may not recognize how the bug manifests. With windows 7, I'll just know.
Windows 7 installation to thumbdrive/flashdrive
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15. September 2011 @ 21:09 |
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Hi,
I have an older system... a dual core e8500 @4.35Ghz. I'll be getting a new 2GB 6950. Do you think there will be a big bottleneck with my cpu?
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15. September 2011 @ 23:52 |
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Not really. Even though it's a dual core it's at quite an impressive speed and is a very up-to-date design. Now if you were going Crossfire you'd most certainly need a quad core, but with a single card you should be just fine.
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