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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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30. July 2008 @ 19:18 |
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lol, there are a few Canadians around here and i just thought they would want to know.
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30. July 2008 @ 20:32 |
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Only half the die was on the actually heatsink itself, the other half was on the little padding on the heatsink!
The padding or thermal padding is supposed to melt when heat is applied to complete the contact between the two surfaces. It can only be used once. That being said it is still not as good as a decent thermal paste.
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30. July 2008 @ 20:57 |
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The padding is supposed to go AROUND the die. Why would it melt if it's not touching the die itself(in optimal circumstances). In my motherboard it was.
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30. July 2008 @ 21:01 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
The padding is supposed to go AROUND the die. Why would it melt if it's not touching the die itself(in optimal circumstances). In my motherboard it was.
yep, its caus the chip is raised higher than the green stuff that holds it, so they use padding to even it.
its on my p5k-e aswell
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30. July 2008 @ 21:25 |
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Yes, it's also on my gigabyte heatsink. The problem is with the alignment. The die was touching the padding, and it shouldn't have been.
So I took the padding off. I hope it doesn't have a detrimental effect.
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30. July 2008 @ 21:28 |
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shaffaaf,
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either way, i will not admit defeat, AND BLAME ASUS' TIM.
Well you better because my DS3R came from the factory with AS/Ceramique on both the NB and SB, and were very well installed! Temps were exactly the same after cleaning and using AS-5 on both heatsinks which is why I'm 100% sure that what was used, was Ceramique originally!
I see a lot of that repairing computers. I had a P5Q (the cheap one) that was reporting 56C for the MB. I had to pull the MB so I could remove the Heatsink from the NB. The stuff Asus used was hard and covered less than half of the heatsink! I cleaned everything and put the heatsink back in with AS-5 and the temps dropped to 39-41C!
So who are you going to blame? The Customer? It's not a question of defeat! There's a historical reason that the first Mod we do before we install the MB is the Heatsinks. It's simply an accepted fact that 90% of the motherboard manufacturers do a crappy job with the heatsinks. Just because it's Asus and it's a high dollar MB means nothing! It's simply an area that many MB manufacturers, including Asus just gloss over and don't worry about. Even my 965P-DS3 had lousy thermal paste, but at least it "was" applied correctly!
So you can admit defeat, if that's the way you feel, or you can accept an annoyance that doesn't really bother anybody to begin with. It's Asus fault, but nobody cares! LOL!! At it's worst it's just a minor annoyance, but again, no one cares! It's just accepted!
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Russ
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30. July 2008 @ 21:32 |
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Well, the TIM used on my DS3R was pretty crappy too. Maybe you just lucked out?
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30. July 2008 @ 21:46 |
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russ, your replying to somethign i didnt say. HAHA
i was sayign i wouldnt admit defeat to boozer, becuase he said it wasnt that the TIM was crap, it was that it wasnt fully covered. thats what i wasnt goign to admit defeat to.
and i just shouted out BLAME ASUS TIM to boozer, to back up that. my god russ you take everything so personally, when it didnt even concern you, or your precious gigabyte. i admitted asus used crap TIM, because i knew it when i changed my asus TIM to OCZ FREEZE, and it drop temps by alot, and caused any instabilities to be stable, and now im running FBST and NB and PLL voltages alot less than i was w.o changing the TIM.
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30. July 2008 @ 21:47 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
Well, the TIM used on my DS3R was pretty crappy too. Maybe you just lucked out?
it's hit and miss. brand and expense of the mobo have nothing to do with it. I've seen a lot of difference between even the same model of mobo.
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30. July 2008 @ 21:58 |
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shaffaaf, watch it!
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30. July 2008 @ 21:59 |
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abuzar1,
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Well, the TIM used on my DS3R was pretty crappy too. Maybe you just lucked out?
No idea! Mine was pulled from the line so it was totally random! The whole point is, you have to remove the heatsinks to see if they are on right, so you have to re-do it to begin with. The only fault lies with the MB manufacturer, regardless of who it is! Everybody that knows anything about motherboards re-does them anyway, so no one really cares! LOL!!
Best Regards,
Russ
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30. July 2008 @ 22:13 |
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The padding is supposed to go AROUND the die.
No a thermal pad is a substitute for thermal grease or paste and it's supposed to be attached (kind of glued) near the center of the core. It is intended to be sandwiched between the heat sink and the core and when it's heated up it performs a similar function to thermal paste.
Here is an image of a thermal pad.
follow this link and read the pdf.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_..._docs/26951.pdf
If you are talking about something else then be more expicit.
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30. July 2008 @ 22:19 |
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shaffaaf,
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russ, your replying to somethign i didnt say. HAHA
Had I had a way to know that, I wouldn't have taken it in such a funny way! LOL
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either way, i will not admit defeat, AND BLAME ASUS' TIM.
It wasn't @ anybody and I seriously thought you were joking! Mort summed it all up! You get what you get regardless of who makes it! Some will be better made than others, even in the same model run! There's nothing personal involved at all!
Sincerely,
Russ
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30. July 2008 @ 22:24 |
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I could be wrong but I think he was refering to the foam filler that sits down around the outside of the actual chip (has a square hole in the center of the foam where the chip is) on some mobos. the foam also contacts the heatsink base.
I too have seen where a good portion of the thermal pad/paste is on the foam as opposed to the actual chip.
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30. July 2008 @ 22:49 |
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I could be wrong but I think he was refering to the foam filler that sits down around the outside of the actual chip (has a square hole in the center of the foam where the chip is) on some mobos.
That makes sense, although I've not seen any that was actually on the chip itself.
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30. July 2008 @ 22:49 |
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Mort81,
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I too have seen where a good portion of the thermal pad/paste is on the foam as opposed to the actual chip.
Any good builder knows that heatsink Thermal Paste is usually crap on most motherboards! It's just an automatic "Must" to re-do them before installing the MB! I never even think about it, I just automatically do it!
Best Regards,
Russ
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30. July 2008 @ 23:02 |
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I don't mean a thermal pad. I know what a thermal pad is. This is NOT a thermal pad. Therefore it should NOT be touching the die.
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30. July 2008 @ 23:11 |
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Asus did a HORRIBLE job with the NB heatsink on the P5k pro. Only half the die was on the actually heatsink itself, the other half was on the little padding on the heatsink!
IT was the bolded words that led me to believe you were discussing a thermal pad. When you said "on the padding on the heatsink" my mind immediately thought of thermal pad.
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30. July 2008 @ 23:13 |
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Well it's like foam. It goes around the area where the die is supposed to touch the heatsink. So it's not actually supposed to touch it. Anyway, so I took it off now.
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30. July 2008 @ 23:15 |
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Well it's like foam. It goes around the area where the die is supposed to touch the heatsink. So it's not actually supposed to touch it. Anyway, so I took it off now.
No big deal, I get you now. Sometimes we all get lost in semantics.
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30. July 2008 @ 23:17 |
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lol it's alright.
I have all my parts not, except for the CPU and Tuniq tower.
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30. July 2008 @ 23:27 |
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Any good builder knows that heatsink Thermal Paste is usually crap on most motherboards!
Actually thermal pads have improved quite a lot over the last couple of years. I still prefer to use thermal grease but here's some information regarding thermal pads and thermal grease in comparison.
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temperature these materials are firm and easy to handle. This allows more control when applying
the solid pads to a heatsink surface. The thermal material softens as it reaches componentoperating
temperatures. With the heat from the operating processor and a light clamping pressure,
the phase-change material readily conforms to both surfaces. This ability to completely fill the
interfacial air gaps and surface voids that are typical between component packages and heatsinks
allows performance comparable to thermal grease
If this hasn't bored you tears follow the link for more. I've been collecting information for a while to create a technology encyclopedia on my site, but one major factor has been missing. Enthusiasm!
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_..._docs/26951.pdf
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30. July 2008 @ 23:35 |
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abuzar1,
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I don't mean a thermal pad. I know what a thermal pad is. This is NOT a thermal pad. Therefore it should NOT be touching the die.
It's a peel and stick load pad, usually stuck to the chip. It keeps the Heatsink from being rocked and possibly breaking the Die since they usually don't have a heat spreader. You'll have to be a bit more careful with it without the pad, not that I think you would break the chip, but it makes it much easier to mess up the Thermal Paste without the load pad in place as all that supports it is the Die itself! The DS3R had that problem, but it was caused by very weak push pin springs! An off center 3 1/8 x 1 3/4" heatsink with the load pad stuck to the heatsink. It took very little pressure on any corner to make it wobble something dreadful! Another reason I wanted the Enzotec CBN-R1 NB cooler! Maybe that's why it was Ceramique they used as it will rebond several times without causing heat problems! It also doesn't harden, which helps a lot!
Russ
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30. July 2008 @ 23:48 |
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That small enzotech works better than the gigabyte heatsink?
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30. July 2008 @ 23:56 |
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ARRGGGGHHH, Why is Asus so RETARDED!!!!
They didn't line up the memory slots on the board. Now I cant properly install the dominator memory fans because it wobbles.
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