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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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1. August 2008 @ 10:57 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
I wonder however if having on chip memory controllers will have the effect of lowering overclock potential. If that is true and current processors continue to be overclock champs then Nehalem may not have much to offer in overall performance, but if it is a great overclocker then Nehalem is in my near future.
Soph you are a true speaker. you know how to say it so even i understand..lol
if the Nehalem is all that it is put up to be and is as powerful. would there really be a need to OC them? other than saying i OC'd it?
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1. August 2008 @ 10:58 |
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Was looking at some new coolers and found this one at the EGG... XIGMATEK AIO-S80DP Anyone have experience with it and what do you personally think?? It's the same price as some of the better "air" coolers and it's "water". ;) Doesn't do what the other water coolers do tho... save some space in the case. hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm..
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1. August 2008 @ 10:58 |
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Oh and Soph, I found out the exact screw size. So I can go buy it now. Thanks though.
I've always felt that most current mounting hardware for socket 775 fails to apply adequate and balanced pressure between the heat sink and heat spreader. I felt a little added pressure would make better contact and spread the thermal paste more effectively. Those are assumptions on my part that haven't been proven, but it seems to make sense to me.
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1. August 2008 @ 11:01 |
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cincyrob, that is what I was thinking. There will always be something newer and better. I will not be buying the parts yet, so I will wait and see for a while but it will not really affect my decision much. I just really need a better PC now. The one I have is not up to par with an integrated graphics card, a hot case and a bad PSU. Thanks for the advice. Nehalem does excite me though even if I am not getting it. I am really hopeful that it will be a big jump in the market.
EDIT: As for OCing, some of the nehalem cpus are not OCable at all because they have a built in southbridge chipset. Both of the non OCable CPUs are not very high performance so that does not really hurt the market for OCable cpus for gamers.
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1. August 2008 @ 11:05 |
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In the face of the Quad cores, the higher clocked chips and the 45nm refresh, my E4300 has stood the test of time well. CPUs don't quite move at such as speed as to warrant throwing them out every month like graphics cards. However, Nehalem is set to offer significant performance boosts, so if you want the best of the best and you're not desperate for a new rig, it may be worth holding fire.
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1. August 2008 @ 11:06 |
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if the Nehalem is all that it is put up to be and is as powerful. would there really be a need to OC them? other than saying i OC'd it?
You had to ask. LOL
Tests show that it is roughly about 30% faster than current processors clock for clock. I can obtain that kind of performance gain by overclocking current processors. When I decide to upgrade to Nehalem it will be to gain performance across the board over current processors, and with Blu-Ray requiring so much processor encode power, the faster the better. I might even consider going to the 6 or 8 core Nehalem because some of the encoders I believe already support them.
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1. August 2008 @ 11:11 |
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Originally posted by proxyRAX:
cincyrob, that is what I was thinking. There will always be something newer and better. I will not be buying the parts yet, so I will wait and see for a while but it will not really affect my decision much. I just really need a better PC now. The one I have is not up to par with an integrated graphics card, a hot case and a bad PSU. Thanks for the advice. Nehalem does excite me though even if I am not getting it. I am really hopeful that it will be a big jump in the market.
oh dont let my thinking stop you from getting Nehalem parts. thats just how i look at. like i said I MYSELF dont truely need a Quad thats why i have choosen to go with the E8600 when i do my next build in the next 5-6 months. there isnt enough apps that use the resources a quad has to offer so i dont see the need for me to spen the extra on a quad when the C2D will be just as good if not better for the programs and such that I use...this is soley my opinion, and outlook.
this is for anyone to reply to and i hope i get some reply's, is what i just stated logical? wrong? right? or totaly way off... i want to know if my thinking is the correct way of looking at it or am i missing some info that would change my mind on a QUAD?
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1. August 2008 @ 11:18 |
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this is for anyone to reply to and i hope i get some reply's, is what i just stated logical? wrong? right? or totaly way off... i want to know if my thinking is the correct way of looking at it or am i missing some info that would change my mind on a QUAD?
I've learned over time that everyone is right in their own minds.:D
For the most part what Sam said and what you are saying is right. Just because something faster comes along doesn't mean that what you have has somehow gotten slower. The truth is that I have enough extra PC's that even if it took a day to encode it wouldn't interfere with my personal usage, but where I need speed is during the learning and experimentation period. Imagine that you've just waited 40 minutes to rip a blu-ray and then another 10 or more hours to demux audio, decode, and encode only to find out that your settings were faulty. That takes way too long for getting things right.
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1. August 2008 @ 11:18 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
Originally posted by proxyRAX:
cincyrob, that is what I was thinking. There will always be something newer and better. I will not be buying the parts yet, so I will wait and see for a while but it will not really affect my decision much. I just really need a better PC now. The one I have is not up to par with an integrated graphics card, a hot case and a bad PSU. Thanks for the advice. Nehalem does excite me though even if I am not getting it. I am really hopeful that it will be a big jump in the market.
oh dont let my thinking stop you from getting Nehalem parts. thats just how i look at. like i said I MYSELF dont truely need a Quad thats why i have choosen to go with the E8600 when i do my next build in the next 5-6 months. there isnt enough apps that use the resources a quad has to offer so i dont see the need for me to spen the extra on a quad when the C2D will be just as good if not better for the programs and such that I use...this is soley my opinion, and outlook.
this is for anyone to reply to and i hope i get some reply's, is what i just stated logical? wrong? right? or totaly way off... i want to know if my thinking is the correct way of looking at it or am i missing some info that would change my mind on a QUAD?
Well, I don't really need bleeding edge best-of-the-best parts. Nehalem is a serious investment and I need a computer sooner rather than later.
As for your decision, I think if you are building it in 6 months you should wait and see. 6 months is a while and there are bound to be price drops and as you mentioned, something better than nehalem or an improvement on it. I think that in six months quad will become more mainstream and gain a lot more support. There are not that many applications that fully utilize it YET but in several months there will be plenty of games and software that have options for quad core cpus, especially considering that mainstream desktops are slowly moving into that field.
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1. August 2008 @ 11:19 |
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In my mind then you should go with a Current 45nm LGA775 chip. They're no slowpokes, and are guaranteed performers.
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1. August 2008 @ 11:29 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
In my mind then you should go with a Current 45nm LGA775 chip. They're no slowpokes, and are guaranteed performers.
thats mostly likely what i am gonna do. the new P45 boards all look great and have plenty of options and can handle anything(not Nehalem) product wise. i havent read to many reviews that a certain part wont work with these boards. heck even the problem i had with the crucial ballistix mem and my ds3r board. i havent heard of that issue with any of the P45 boards....
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1. August 2008 @ 12:16 |
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Perhaps, but boards like the P45-DQ6 still don't include Crucial PC8500 in their compatibility list.
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1. August 2008 @ 12:31 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Perhaps, but boards like the P45-DQ6 still don't include Crucial PC8500 in their compatibility list.
i dont think any gigabyte board includes them. gigabyte told me they were ok with their boards, crucial told me just the oppisite.so who do ya beleive??????
for me if i get a gigaybyte board there will be no crucial mem comeing near it!!!!!!!
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1. August 2008 @ 12:36 |
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So yeah, this Silverstone FM121 at full speed is killing my ears. I'm using this inside the Tuniq Tower BTW.
The Odd thing is that my core temps(some of which are 10C higher than others because of the uneven contact lol) rise 3C when I turn the fan OFF at idle.
So I guess at Idle it's perfectly capable of cooling fanless? The highest idle core temps I get with the fan OFF is 43C. That's on the cores with bad contact. The other cores runs like 33C.
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1. August 2008 @ 12:38 |
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Most tower coolers can cool well enough at idle as long as there's a reasonable amount of case ventilation.
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1. August 2008 @ 12:42 |
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I'm curious, who is looking to purchase Crucial PC8500 memory? I have rarely if ever allowed a choice of memory to be the deciding factor in a new build. There is always another manufacturer who has something that will achieve my ends without sacrificing quality.
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1. August 2008 @ 12:44 |
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Anyway, so I'm trying to figure out how to control this silverstone through the mobo fan headers. Not having so much luck :(
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1. August 2008 @ 12:44 |
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It stemmed from this:
Originally posted by cincyrob:
heck even the problem i had with the crucial ballistix mem and my ds3r board. i havent heard of that issue with any of the P45 boards....
Abuzar: You can't, not only do they use too much power, they're PWM based, not direct voltage.
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1. August 2008 @ 12:47 |
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That's on the cores with bad contact. The other cores runs like 33C.
Abuzar
The problem might be stuck sensor diodes which is common in the 45 NM Intel processors. RealTemp has a sensor test that can help determine if the problem is caused by a stuck sensor.
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1. August 2008 @ 12:52 |
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Soph, I have a 65nm CPU. Also I only have three screws in the Tuniq tower since one broke. So it explains the higher core temps.
Sam, really? That sucks. Where do I fit the Silverstone fan controller?
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1. August 2008 @ 12:56 |
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Ahh, I figured it out. It goes in a 3.5" bay. Hmm and I can hide the wires as well. This is good. Believe it or not, I actually did a decent job of cable management.
Unfortunately my camera is broken. I will try to use my phone.
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1. August 2008 @ 13:00 |
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Soph, I have a 65nm CPU. Also I only have three screws in the Tuniq tower since one broke.
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Still 10C sounds like quite a variance for cores that are mostly in the center of the heat spreader and very close to each other. I don't know if the sensor problem is also happening with the 65 NM but a quick test can help alleviate any concerns. As a rule most sensor should never vary more than 2C and because of their proximity to each other usually one or two sensors is adequate to monitor temperatures.
Here is a 65 NM quad core.
ignore that photo might not be right!
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1. August 2008 @ 13:05 |
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Alright, well I check it with real temp?
I will make sure after I get my new screws. When I have everything tightened up then it can only be the stuck sensors I guess.
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1. August 2008 @ 13:12 |
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Sorry. LOL It was the right photo but here is a link to Arctic silvers guide for quad cores.
My point was that the pressure loss by a single screw would be more on the outside of the heat spreader. One check of errors by using real temp which is something nice to know so one doesn't reinstall what was right the first time. I know because I did exactly that.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appinstr...l_quad_wcap.pdf
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1. August 2008 @ 13:15 |
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Yeah, but the thing is I'm not at all comfortable like this. I will re-install with all four screws no matter what.
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