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spamual
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22. September 2008 @ 10:52 |
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1920 4xaa Custom PC are reporting a minimum of 26 FPs and avg of 36 in crysis with an X2. seems good to me.
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22. September 2008 @ 10:54 |
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That's 1920, and I'd agree. 1920 with AA in Crysis with an X2 is playable. 2560 with an AA is definitely not playable, unless you use medium settings.
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22. September 2008 @ 15:55 |
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That makes me glad to be on a 1920 monitor then. AA makes a big difference for driving games and the like. Makes it easier to see the track really.
The AA in Flatout is a bit naff though. Not terrible, but noticeably less effective than in other games.
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22. September 2008 @ 23:37 |
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http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=775&p=16
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For those that play a wide range of games it would seem that the higher clocked Core 2 Duo E6000 and E8000 series processors are still the best value. However games such as Enemy Territory Quake Wars for example, did show reasonable performance advantages when using a Core 2 Quad processor. Therefore, we suggest for those buying high-end graphics cards, such as the GeForce GTX 280, pick up a Core 2 Quad processor while the Core 2 Duo?s are a perfect match for mid-range graphics cards.
one interesting thing (sam note this) that when they did the same test with a 4870X2 games benifited from Quads alot more than duals, and i am sure this is down to CF needing a big overhead due to the CPU "talking" to both GPUs rather than a single GPU card.
this is the reason i think sam made those very impressive increaces.
heres one from a GX2 shoot out
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Moving on, when we published our GeForce 8800 GTX CPU Scaling article back in 2006 we found that this high-end graphics card was being limited by lower clocked Core 2 Duo and Athlon64 X2 processors, at least not nearly as much as we had suspected. However we did make use of some very heavy AA/AF settings back then where as today we have decided to disable these quality settings. The dual-GPU GeForce 9800 GX2 certainly has more power to burn when compared to the GeForce 8800 GTX, and as a result we found that by throwing more and more CPU power at it we continued to receive more and more performance.
so when i said with my 4870 all i would need is an E8600..... i didnt lie. :)
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22. September 2008 @ 23:39 |
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W/e
Dual Cores are for noobs.
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spamual
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22. September 2008 @ 23:42 |
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OUCH!!!
someone is not happy.....
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22. September 2008 @ 23:44 |
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I'm always depressed.
Just a little less depressed today actually. No one loves me :(
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spamual
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22. September 2008 @ 23:46 |
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its ramadaan, the lack of sugar is getting to you.
find a wife and then you can find love :D though wait a few more years first. (if your that desprate, get a cusin as your wife from pakiland)
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22. September 2008 @ 23:51 |
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Uhhh, Marrying my COUSIN!
Not happening.
We can discuss this later on MSN.
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23. September 2008 @ 01:49 |
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Well, Crysis Warhead reviews are in all over the place. A quick read indicates that it's as good as the original but a bit more linear and action oriented.
The performance is supposedly much better too. Anyone tried it yet? How is it? The visuals are supposed to be better too, denser foliage, better shadows, lighting, the like. Any confirmations?
I heard that an 8800GTS G92 could handle it on Very High at 1680 x 1050. Is that total BS or did they really fix the engine?
Am currently in the process of getting the game. I will let you know what I find out.
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23. September 2008 @ 06:52 |
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Foolishness aside, I'd agree with that. Crossfire is far more a match for a quad core chip than single graphics. However, that is mainly because I associate dual core CPUs as being the cheaper options, so siding with single graphics cards, from the idea that if you have enough to use a dual card setup, you have enough to get a good quad core CPU, even if it is a C1 stepping chip.
Estuansis: The reviews I've seen all say performance is better, or same, none say it's worse, so the forecast looks good. A GTX260 will make 35fps or so on Enthusiast at 1920x1200.
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23. September 2008 @ 09:42 |
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you might aswell tell me to get a B3 Q6600 :p
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23. September 2008 @ 09:54 |
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What? Why?
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23. September 2008 @ 10:01 |
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C1 Quad..... :p
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24. September 2008 @ 14:31 |
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Hey Estuansis,
I'm always a week behind. Thanks for laying out the specs for the new build for me on page 31. I would beef up everything with a larger psu, crossfire mobo, etc - because I'll probably use the new build for about 3 years. So if it doubles in cost, that's okay - I was figuring more your earlier estimate at $800 to $1000. But that really sounds like a nice rig on pg 31 for only $560! I see why you guys think it's really sketchy of me to dump any more $ in a P4.
Sam, sounds like you definitely are all for quad core these days - so that's the first place where I'd beef up the pg 31 build.
Boozer, that was an interesting link to the guy who did some Vista tests - it's good to know that some of the problems of Vista have been fixed. If I ever ran Vista it would be only in a dual-boot system with XP. All of my computers are now dual boot XP and W98, believe it or not. Some of the real estate stuff I do works better on the W98 version of the program (a program called PaperPort) than on the XP version. So all my computers have two hard drives, W98 on the C, XP on the D. I would do the same with the new build probably - put Vista on the D, and use it only for DX10 for the games that really need it.
Shaff that was an interesting observation about DX10 on crysis - crysis is mainly the game the new build will first work with - so if DX10 has some major eye candy enhancements to that game: Originally posted by spamuel:
and DX10 crysis is just amazing. the way the lighting from he sun goes through the water and trees. wow
that's good to know.
A new version of crysis out? Interesting stuff - Estuansis, I'll be looking forward to your review. Who developed it, Crytek, or some genius hacker?
-Rich
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24. September 2008 @ 15:27 |
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As far as I know, Crysis: Warhead was done directly in-house by Crytek. It's supposed to run parallel to the events of the first game. They're making some engine fixes and improving the graphics. It's out now. I will have it today.
EDIT: I have it. Look for a mini review in the next few days.
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harvrdguy
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24. September 2008 @ 17:02 |
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Sounds good - so it's a whole new game?? Or the sequel??
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24. September 2008 @ 17:03 |
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neither really, it's parallel to the story of the other game.
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24. September 2008 @ 19:38 |
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Okay, first impressions.
First off, the haze that covered up some of the pretty textures is gone. Everything looks sharper and more defined. Shadows have been fixed, IMO and look very nice on the default high setting. Very high settings are available in Dx9 now. So it's everything except the few Dx10 only features. I think we still may need a custom config for it though. All of the actual very high settings kill my framerate.
The performance is slightly improved. But nothing like I hoped for. I'm getting +2-3FPS on average on high settings. There are fewer noticeable framerate drops though and 30FPS feels even smoother now. I had no problem playing at even 17FPS. The game does feel much better optimized. They also made the foliage much thicker and added way more of it. The game looks better than Crysis for sure. There is some noticeable pop-in on smaller objects though. Apparently one of their optimizations.
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They also tweaked the power of weapons and the AI as to balance out the game. The SCAR is much more powerful now but the KPA troops are faster, move around more, and take cover better. Also, the SCAR has been re-textured and has a cool new digital camo pattern on it. The FY71 has been retextured as well with an olive drab. Both retextures are a marked improvement.
The HDR is noticeably redone a bit to slightly over expose which helps a lot to hide foliage fade-in. Plus they fixed some of the physics bugs I saw in the first game. Warhead is noticeably more stable physics wise.
Furthermore, vehicles handle much better an can make sharper turns. There is a new armored(bullet proof) APC with a mounted mini gun too :D
Other stuff abound. A few new weapons, like a mounted anti armor gun and the like. When you get in a vehicle it automatically gives you the 3rd person view so you don't have to hit F1.
The game is a bit more linear than Crysis. It noticeably pushes you toward an objective, but you still have the freedom to tackle it any way you want. Much of the world remains open and full of things to explore.
Give it a look all. Buy it now. Not a huge increase in performance, but a marked overall improvement over Crysis.
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24. September 2008 @ 20:05 |
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Expecting much more of a performance increase than that wasn't really going to happen, DX10 features run at half the frame rate of the DX9 High ones, so 17 is pretty reasonable for an HD4870 at 1920x1200.
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24. September 2008 @ 20:09 |
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I'm aware of that. The high default settings look decent for now. And my framerate is hovering around 34-35 in most situations.
Read the edit on my last post. I've added more just now.
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24. September 2008 @ 20:20 |
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do shaders still look utter crap on low and very dark?
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24. September 2008 @ 20:23 |
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Lol why would you use Low? Even on an HD3870 I could run the original more demanding crysis at 2560x1600 on low shaders, even during the latter sections...
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24. September 2008 @ 20:39 |
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just saying :D
shaders at vhigh look fan bloody tastic, and this is from crappy youtube videos, i cant wait to play it in real life.
i dont play games unless i can max em out (cod4 i could max out at 1280 when i had that monitor, and its so addictive online (over 800 hours played) that its an exeption).
btw with my customer build i used an 9800GT and i got vegas 2 with it :D i love free gifts
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24. September 2008 @ 20:40 |
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I don't even use low but I bet it still looks crap.
There are dual SMGs too :DDD And the armored APC is amphibious I think... it certainly looks the part.
Don't get me wrong folks. This is stock CryEngine through and through. It hasn't been improved by leaps and bounds. But they've added loads of subtle little changes that I think improve on the original.
EDIT: Lighting, though a bit overexposed, is noticeably improved. The color is warmer and the tree canopy shadows are better. Also, silenced weapons are useful now and it doesn't require a head shot every time. The dual SMGs have a high rate of fire and are surprisingly powerful when silenced.
Warhead also takes more RAM. I'm seeing 1.1GB as we speak vs maybe 850MB for the original.
The AI is very good now. They scatter and run into the woods when you attack their bases. And they actually seem to know how to hide in the bushes.
And there's noticeably more wildlife everywhere. I even spotted a few deer. It makes the whole game feel more natural.
As a whole, Warhead "feels" much better and much more natural than Crysis.
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